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16 hours ago, Jim Lad said:

Sounds like all your ships were down south, Pat.

John - The Britannia is only south if you are Scottish - moored in Leith - Edinburgh.

Keith

 

Current Build:-

Cangarda (Steam Yacht) - Scale 1:24

 

Previous Builds:-

 

Schooner Germania (Nova) - Scale 1:36

https://modelshipworld.com/topic/19848-schooner-germania-nova-by-keithaug-scale-136-1908-2011/

Schooner Altair by KeithAug - Scale 1:32 - 1931

http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/12515-schooner-altair-by-keithaug-scale-132-1931/?p=378702

J Class Endeavour by KeithAug - Amati - Scale 1:35 - 1989 after restoration.

http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/10752-j-class-endeavour-by-keithaug-amati-scale-135-1989-after-restoration/?p=325029

 

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Nautical Adventures

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Hi John,

 

Would have loved to do more but the only ship 'up north' (by UK standards - as all are up north from Melbourne) was the Britannia (thanks Keith).  I think I may have had my leave cancelled if I had sounded out the Admiral to do more :)  As it was she was having 'kittens' by my wanting to climb the rigging on the SS Great Britain.  There was a chance to do it (for a fee) but unfortunately the activity had closed by the time the tour had finished :( 

 

I did have Chatham on my list but time ran out unfortunately.  I was told it is undergoing a major refurbishment and that it will be a much better visit in the future - so there's my excuse to go back ;) :)

 

cheers

 

Pat

If at first you do not suceed, try, and then try again!
Current build: HMCSS Victoria (Scratch)

Next build: HMAS Vampire (3D printed resin, scratch 1:350)

Built:          Battle Station (Scratch) and HM Bark Endeavour 1768 (kit 1:64)

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Hi Carl,

If I get the chance to go back I will certainly allow a couple of days to catch upu with a few MSW members :)  The last trip was just too hectic with a lot compressed into a very short time..

 

John, there is also the Titanic experience in Belfast (I think).

 

cheers

 

Pat

If at first you do not suceed, try, and then try again!
Current build: HMCSS Victoria (Scratch)

Next build: HMAS Vampire (3D printed resin, scratch 1:350)

Built:          Battle Station (Scratch) and HM Bark Endeavour 1768 (kit 1:64)

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Hi Carl,

At times it felt like that :(  

cheers

 

Pat

If at first you do not suceed, try, and then try again!
Current build: HMCSS Victoria (Scratch)

Next build: HMAS Vampire (3D printed resin, scratch 1:350)

Built:          Battle Station (Scratch) and HM Bark Endeavour 1768 (kit 1:64)

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  • 2 weeks later...

Fantastic metalwork Pat, pleasure to catch up on all the great progress, the small details are the 'fun' things but make the model IMHO.  Would love to have your abilities here!

Cheers,
 
Jason


"Which it will be ready when it is ready!"
 
In the shipyard:

HMS Jason (c.1794: Artois Class 38 gun frigate)

Queen Anne Royal Barge (c.1700)

Finished:

HMS Snake (c.1797: Cruizer Class, ship rigged sloop)

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BW I am sure you could create these and bsides I am very envious of your quality finishes.

Thanks for your kind words 

If at first you do not suceed, try, and then try again!
Current build: HMCSS Victoria (Scratch)

Next build: HMAS Vampire (3D printed resin, scratch 1:350)

Built:          Battle Station (Scratch) and HM Bark Endeavour 1768 (kit 1:64)

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Hi folks, another quick update.  I have been side tracked with research of late but have managed to make a start on the broadside guns.  These were 32 pounder 25 cwt guns to the Dundas pattern, mounted on rear-chock carriages.  As usual close ups show more dust, lumps etc than to the naked eye, so I am going to have to clean them up a little more yet :(

 

As you can see these are small at 1:72, only 22 x 12mm at the widest, and the prototype  is a rough 3D print barrel.  The ones I will fit will be printed to a much higher fidelity and include the sights and gunlock - won't be as 'rough'.  The prototype was used to ensure it fitted the ports etc correctly, and work out a way to run the production line.  The rear worm drive elevating mechanism still has to have the handle added and the striker plate on the chooch will be a little more refined.

 

The production version wheels are only dry fitted as I am still trying to determine whether to blacken the outer hub.  the photo I am using as a reference (of the actual ship's gun) and contemporary information suggest these, and the wheel rims /rollers were made from gunmetal and not iron.  They just seem a little too bright but my attempts to dull them have produced inconsistent results - I may just live with them :)

 

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cheers

 

Pat

 

 

Edited by BANYAN

If at first you do not suceed, try, and then try again!
Current build: HMCSS Victoria (Scratch)

Next build: HMAS Vampire (3D printed resin, scratch 1:350)

Built:          Battle Station (Scratch) and HM Bark Endeavour 1768 (kit 1:64)

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Amazing cannon work Pat.

 

Rob

Current build:

Build log: https://modelshipworld.com/topic/25382-glory-of-the-seas-medium-clipper-1869-by-rwiederrich-196

 

 

Finished build:

Build log: of 1/128th Great Republic: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/13740-great-republic-by-rwiederrich-four-masted-extreme-clipper-1853/#

 

Current build(On hold):

Build log: 1/96  Donald McKay:http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/4522-donald-mckay-medium-clipper-by-rwiederrich-1855/

 

Completed build:  http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/gallery/album/475-196-cutty-sark-plastic/

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Nice work on the guns Pat. I took the opportunity to re-look through the earlier parts of the build and remind myself how nicely made your small parts are. A good way to spend an hour.

Keith

 

Current Build:-

Cangarda (Steam Yacht) - Scale 1:24

 

Previous Builds:-

 

Schooner Germania (Nova) - Scale 1:36

https://modelshipworld.com/topic/19848-schooner-germania-nova-by-keithaug-scale-136-1908-2011/

Schooner Altair by KeithAug - Scale 1:32 - 1931

http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/12515-schooner-altair-by-keithaug-scale-132-1931/?p=378702

J Class Endeavour by KeithAug - Amati - Scale 1:35 - 1989 after restoration.

http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/10752-j-class-endeavour-by-keithaug-amati-scale-135-1989-after-restoration/?p=325029

 

Other Topics

Nautical Adventures

http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/13727-nautical-adventures/?p=422846

 

 

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Thanks Ed, Rob and Keith, appreciate the feedback from such fine model builders.  Six carriages now made, just waiting for some PE and the barrels.  I have made a start on the gun tackles - ugh!  Talk about a frustrating task with 2.5mm blocks and 2mm hooks - one down only 11 to go :(  

 

cheers

 

Pat

Edited by BANYAN

If at first you do not suceed, try, and then try again!
Current build: HMCSS Victoria (Scratch)

Next build: HMAS Vampire (3D printed resin, scratch 1:350)

Built:          Battle Station (Scratch) and HM Bark Endeavour 1768 (kit 1:64)

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Thanks Tony, you made my day with your comment re local history; exactly what I am trying to achieve here - preserve the history of this ship :)  and, thanks also for the 'kudos'.

 

cheers

 

Pat

Edited by BANYAN

If at first you do not suceed, try, and then try again!
Current build: HMCSS Victoria (Scratch)

Next build: HMAS Vampire (3D printed resin, scratch 1:350)

Built:          Battle Station (Scratch) and HM Bark Endeavour 1768 (kit 1:64)

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Pat....any updates on the Victoria?

 

Rob

Current build:

Build log: https://modelshipworld.com/topic/25382-glory-of-the-seas-medium-clipper-1869-by-rwiederrich-196

 

 

Finished build:

Build log: of 1/128th Great Republic: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/13740-great-republic-by-rwiederrich-four-masted-extreme-clipper-1853/#

 

Current build(On hold):

Build log: 1/96  Donald McKay:http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/4522-donald-mckay-medium-clipper-by-rwiederrich-1855/

 

Completed build:  http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/gallery/album/475-196-cutty-sark-plastic/

The LORD said, "See, I have set (them) aside...with skills of all kinds, to make artistic designs for work in gold, silver, and bronze, to cut and set stones, to work in wood, and to engage in all kinds of crafts."

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Hi Rob, not too far off.  I have been sidetracked with a lot of research on the rigging, getting the "honey please do and Christmas to do lists done and... :)  You get the idea I think too many things to do and not enough hours.  I am currently working on completing the broadside guns.

 

Thanks for looking in.

 

cheers

 

Pat

If at first you do not suceed, try, and then try again!
Current build: HMCSS Victoria (Scratch)

Next build: HMAS Vampire (3D printed resin, scratch 1:350)

Built:          Battle Station (Scratch) and HM Bark Endeavour 1768 (kit 1:64)

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Hi all, after a short (ish) sojourn I am back at the modelling desk; a long list of 'honey please do' jobs and continued research (on the rigging) interrupted by the festive season is my excuse ;)

 

The following shows the additional work that has been done.  The progress photo (before fitting the circular skylights) shows the broadside gun carriages loosely sited in their future position.   I cannot progress these until we finish printing the 3D barrels but unfortunately my mate helping me with that, has a few health issues and that must take priority.  I have the trunnion caps, tackles and breeching ropes ready to go once we are in a position to print the guns.  the pivot gun slide has also been made and all the pieces for the carriage which sits on top have been cut but not yet assembled.

 

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The circular skylights were made from turned acrylic rod (8mm) and PE which I drew up and I had etched here in Melbourne.  The photos show the 'prototype skylight which has since been cleaned up a little more.  Al (alpayed on this forum - building the Danmark) turned these for me as I was doing something wrong and the rod kept melting on me.  These formed the base with the spigot being used as the locating pins and a small hole was drilled in the top while still in the lathe to accept a brass pin.  This pin is intended to represent a small rod and cover in the actual item that could be raised to allow ventilation through the skylight.  The sides were photo etched with the brass vertical bars etched deeper so that when the top and bottom were painted to represent the wooden parts, it looked like the bars were recessed.  The side were rolled and formed on a dowel then silver soldered for strength before painting. 

 

The conical part represents the bars over the top but at this scale it proved simply too difficult to include the wooden framing.  Overall I think they came out ok, but I am tempted to redo the tops as I could not get the 'exact' diameter of the formed cone to sit on top of the side pieces.  to the eye it looks fine, but a close inspection, especially through the camera shows they are not sitting uniformly on top of the side pieces.

 

cheers, and a very happy, healthy and safe 2020

 

Pat

 

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If at first you do not suceed, try, and then try again!
Current build: HMCSS Victoria (Scratch)

Next build: HMAS Vampire (3D printed resin, scratch 1:350)

Built:          Battle Station (Scratch) and HM Bark Endeavour 1768 (kit 1:64)

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Thanks John, this is what they should have looked like :) .

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Happy New Year to you both and wishing you a safe and fulfilling 2020

 

cheers

 

Pat

If at first you do not suceed, try, and then try again!
Current build: HMCSS Victoria (Scratch)

Next build: HMAS Vampire (3D printed resin, scratch 1:350)

Built:          Battle Station (Scratch) and HM Bark Endeavour 1768 (kit 1:64)

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Don't be too hard on yourself Pat, those skylight look great. The rest of the ship is coming along nicely as well.

 

Michael

Current builds  Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8;      Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8;       Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8

Other projects  Pilot Cutter 1:500 ;   Maria, 1:2  Now just a memory    

Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8

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Pat,

those skylights look marvelous, you should take scale into account, and not mix up realism, with reality. Somehow modellers seem to think they can recreate at a small scale up to some tiny detail which would hardly be visible on an enlarged image of the real thing. You can be proud of your creation. Your deck is filling up nicely!

Carl

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Interesting approach to the skylights Pat. Like others I think you are being a little hard on yourself, they look pretty good to me.

Keith

 

Current Build:-

Cangarda (Steam Yacht) - Scale 1:24

 

Previous Builds:-

 

Schooner Germania (Nova) - Scale 1:36

https://modelshipworld.com/topic/19848-schooner-germania-nova-by-keithaug-scale-136-1908-2011/

Schooner Altair by KeithAug - Scale 1:32 - 1931

http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/12515-schooner-altair-by-keithaug-scale-132-1931/?p=378702

J Class Endeavour by KeithAug - Amati - Scale 1:35 - 1989 after restoration.

http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/10752-j-class-endeavour-by-keithaug-amati-scale-135-1989-after-restoration/?p=325029

 

Other Topics

Nautical Adventures

http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/13727-nautical-adventures/?p=422846

 

 

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The melting issue when turning acrylic could be one of two things. Use the slowest speed possible and a sharp pointed tool bit. A wide cutting bit and/or too fast a turning speed creates enough heat to melt acrylic. Anyway, she is looking very good, Pat!

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Yes, these Victorian skylights are masterpieces of joinery and a challenge to model, particularly at such small scale.

 

Building them around a acrylic glass core would also have been my method of choice. A few months back I confronted the same problem. In one case I etched little grooves into the inside of the 'wooden' frame to provide for the uniform spacing of the bars. In another case I milled the grooves into a raised part of the acrylic core and built up the panelling with styrene sheet. The bars are/will be short sections of very fine brass wire lacquered in. Lacquer has the advantage over e.g. CA glue that I can adjust the wires, if needed. Painting them without messing up everything will be a challenge still lying ahead.

 

And I agree, you did a good job on those skylights !

 

P.S. (added after I read druxey's comment) - tools indeed have to be sharp and should have a relatively steep rake; it is, however, also a question of the material, as not all acrylics are exactly the same; I occasionally found that people are trying to sell other clear plastic as 'acrylic glass'; personally, I am lucky to still work from a stock of original Plexiglas, obtained directly from the manufacturers, when my father was working for a daughter company to Röhm GmbH, as it was known then.

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