petervisser Posted February 23, 2014 Author Share #61 Posted February 23, 2014 A quick little update guys while the paint on the mast and spars are drying. The rudder minus the flag is finally finished. Boy, what alot of steps for finishing this one piece. Cutting out the rudder, laminating the strips of mahogeny, fitting the tiller, multi-layers of different colour paints and lacquer, fitting the pintles and gudgeons and aplying the decals. It took days and days! The decals were a bit challenging because I had not done any for many many years. They were applied and then I coated them with a few coats of varathane. They're not going anywhere! Well here is the finished product and the rudder dry fitted to the transom... Cheers, Peter tarbrush, Rudolf, amateur and 7 others 10 Quote Build Log: Billing - Cutty Sark In The Gallery: HMS Unicorn, HMAV Bounty, L'Etoile, Marie Jeanne, Lilla Dan, Zeeschouw "Irene" A Toast: To a wind that blows, A ship that goes, And the lass that loved a sailor! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maurino Posted February 23, 2014 Share #62 Posted February 23, 2014 Peter, is a little gem !!!! Mauro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddy Andrew Posted February 24, 2014 Share #63 Posted February 24, 2014 Hi Peter, Great work and a fantastic little boat. Have enjoyed your log. Freddy Andrew. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flying_dutchman2 Posted February 24, 2014 Share #64 Posted February 24, 2014 Unfortunately, Billing has decided not to market these kits outside of Europe. I purchased my kits in Holland I will look for them when I go to the Netherlands in Sept/Oct of this year. Visit my mother and buy some Dutch naval books at the Rijks museum and Maritime museum. Marc Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tarbrush Posted February 24, 2014 Share #65 Posted February 24, 2014 Peter, I just love this boat! Your doing beautiful work, that rudder came out so good. Keep those pictures coming I am really enjoying your build. Quote John future build: to finish Mary Rose http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/8507-mary-rose-by-tarbrush-scale-172-1545/?hl=%2Bmary+%2Brose completed builds: Constructo Steam Launch Louise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petervisser Posted February 24, 2014 Author Share #66 Posted February 24, 2014 Thanks for the encouragement and nice words guys. Marc, the Amsterdam Maritime museum has a great selection of books. However, a few years ago, I tried buying some books there, but I could not actually enter the book shop. They had a counter person who would take the order and enter the shop to get it for you. I'm not certain if that's still the case, but you might want to think about the books you want before shopping there. The weather outside is awful with snow and sleet today soooo, I'm thinking I have free reign to hobby today! This is our first snow of the year really, so not much to complain about. Cheers guys. Peer popeye the sailor and flying_dutchman2 2 Quote Build Log: Billing - Cutty Sark In The Gallery: HMS Unicorn, HMAV Bounty, L'Etoile, Marie Jeanne, Lilla Dan, Zeeschouw "Irene" A Toast: To a wind that blows, A ship that goes, And the lass that loved a sailor! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirabell61 Posted February 24, 2014 Share #67 Posted February 24, 2014 on which Name is she paptized Peter ? a great model !! is it so that we shall not see her rigged with sails ? Nils Quote Current builds -Lightship Elbe 1 Completed - Steamship Ergenstrasse ex Laker Corsicana 1918- scale 1:87 scratchbuild - "Zeesboot" heritage wooden fishing small craft around 1870, POB clinker scratch build scale 1:24 - Pilot Schooner # 5 ELBE ex Wanderbird, scale 1:50 scratchbuild - Mississippi Sterwheelsteamer built as christmapresent for grandson modified kit build - Chebec "Eagle of Algier" 1753--scale 1:48-POB-(scratchbuild) "SS Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse" four stacker passenger liner of 1897, blue ribbond awarded, 1:144 (scratchbuild) "HMS Pegasus" , 16 gun sloop, Swan-Class 1776-1777 scale 1:64 from Amati plan -"Pamir" 4-mast barque, P-liner, 1:96 (scratchbuild) -"Gorch Fock 2" German Navy cadet training 3-mast barque, 1:95 (scratchbuild) "Heinrich Kayser" heritage Merchant Steamship, 1:96 (scratchbuild) original was my grandfathers ship -"Bohuslän" , heritage ,live Swedish museum passenger steamer (Billings kit), 1:50 "Lorbas", river tug, steam driven for RC, fictive design (scratchbuild), scale appr. 1:32 under restoration / restoration finished "Hjejlen" steam paddlewheeler, 1861, Billings Boats rare old kit, scale 1:50 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petervisser Posted February 24, 2014 Author Share #68 Posted February 24, 2014 Funny you should ask Nils! I just put on her name boards and now she has a proper name. "IRENE". I named her after my sister. The kit's name is "BIANCA" but I don't know anyone personally by that name so I decided "Irene" had more significance. Here are some pictures with the new name board. Now I have to start work on the sails. I have put another coat of paint on the masts and they are drying in front of the gas fire. Billing has supplied a sheet with the pattern of the sails inked on them. However, the material is a bit too white and stiff. So I will use them as pattern pieces and use muslin cloth instead. I am hoping to get a sewing lesson from my wife who has a sewing machine and a serger. I will do a little experimenting and come up with the best solution. Stay tuned to this channel.... Aussie048, Mirabell61, hexnut and 8 others 11 Quote Build Log: Billing - Cutty Sark In The Gallery: HMS Unicorn, HMAV Bounty, L'Etoile, Marie Jeanne, Lilla Dan, Zeeschouw "Irene" A Toast: To a wind that blows, A ship that goes, And the lass that loved a sailor! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirabell61 Posted February 24, 2014 Share #69 Posted February 24, 2014 Nice Name for this Little gem Peter and also the nameboard nicely done I wish you the same success with the rigging and her sails Nils Quote Current builds -Lightship Elbe 1 Completed - Steamship Ergenstrasse ex Laker Corsicana 1918- scale 1:87 scratchbuild - "Zeesboot" heritage wooden fishing small craft around 1870, POB clinker scratch build scale 1:24 - Pilot Schooner # 5 ELBE ex Wanderbird, scale 1:50 scratchbuild - Mississippi Sterwheelsteamer built as christmapresent for grandson modified kit build - Chebec "Eagle of Algier" 1753--scale 1:48-POB-(scratchbuild) "SS Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse" four stacker passenger liner of 1897, blue ribbond awarded, 1:144 (scratchbuild) "HMS Pegasus" , 16 gun sloop, Swan-Class 1776-1777 scale 1:64 from Amati plan -"Pamir" 4-mast barque, P-liner, 1:96 (scratchbuild) -"Gorch Fock 2" German Navy cadet training 3-mast barque, 1:95 (scratchbuild) "Heinrich Kayser" heritage Merchant Steamship, 1:96 (scratchbuild) original was my grandfathers ship -"Bohuslän" , heritage ,live Swedish museum passenger steamer (Billings kit), 1:50 "Lorbas", river tug, steam driven for RC, fictive design (scratchbuild), scale appr. 1:32 under restoration / restoration finished "Hjejlen" steam paddlewheeler, 1861, Billings Boats rare old kit, scale 1:50 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popeye the sailor Posted February 25, 2014 Share #70 Posted February 25, 2014 I do my own sails......it's not too bad. make a test one first to get used to the machine. the rudder came out really nice.......such a wonderful job! Quote I yam wot I yam! finished builds: Billings Nordkap 476 / Billings Cux 87 / Billings Mary Ann / Billings AmericA - reissue Billings Regina - bashed into the Susan A / Andrea Gail 1:20 - semi scratch w/ Billing instructions M&M Fun Ship - semi scratch build / Gundalow - scratch build / Jeanne D'Arc - Heller Phylly C & Denny-Zen - the Lobsie twins - bashed & semi scratch dual build Billing T78 Norden in dry dock: Billing's Gothenborg 1:100 / Billing's Boulogne Etaples 1:20 Billing's Half Moon 1:40 - some scratch required Revell U.S.S. United States 1:96 - plastic/ wood modified / Academy Titanic 1:400 Trawler Syborn - semi scratch / Holiday Harbor dual build - semi scratch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realworkingsailor Posted February 25, 2014 Share #71 Posted February 25, 2014 Good night Irene! (Ok, sorry, just had to say it ) A very nice job, Peter, can't wait to see her masted, rigged and under sail. Andy Quote Quando Omni Flunkus, Moritati Current Build: USF Confederacy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salty Sea Dog Posted February 25, 2014 Share #72 Posted February 25, 2014 That is so cool! Nice work! Looking at Lee Valley's tool catalog can get expensive. Quote -Buck Current build: AL Morgan's Whaleboat (1st build) Kits in the ships locker: I cannot confirm nor deny that there may be a few kits in there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amateur Posted February 25, 2014 Share #73 Posted February 25, 2014 With respect to the bookshops in both the Rijks and the Maritime: don't hope for too much if I were you. (I went there and was a bit disappointed) The Maritime has a wonderfull library (free entry), but the bookshops in both museums tend to focus on 'tourists' mainly, not on interested geeks like us.... Jan flying_dutchman2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flying_dutchman2 Posted February 26, 2014 Share #74 Posted February 26, 2014 Marc, the Amsterdam Maritime museum has a great selection of books. However, a few years ago, I tried buying some books there, but I could not actually enter the book shop. They had a counter person who would take the order and enter the shop to get it for you. I'm not certain if that's still the case, but you might want to think about the books you want before shopping there.Cheers guys. With respect to the bookshops in both the Rijks and the Maritime: don't hope for too much if I were you. (I went there and was a bit disappointed) The Maritime has a wonderfull library (free entry), but the bookshops in both museums tend to focus on 'tourists' mainly, not on interested geeks like us....Jan Thanks to both of you giving me a heads up. I have a list and will see what they have. Also I may just order some books from the publisher "De Bataafse Leeuw" and just have them shipped here. But I won't expect much. Thanks again. Marc Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petervisser Posted February 28, 2014 Author Share #75 Posted February 28, 2014 Attention zeeschouw fans... another minor update. I have been working on the mast and its jewelry along with the other spars. Just a matter of staining, varnishing and painting really, but it does take time to put it all together. I also managed to make an athwartship traveller for the boom. Believe or not, I managed it the first try. I was certain it was going to take several attempts at getting the right bends at the right size. The flag is also flying! I used the flag supplied with the kit and am pretty happy with how it turned out. So here are a few more pictures... The flag flying from the the stern. I used some varathane to soak the material and then wrapped the flag around several dowels to give it some curves and life. I used some scrap material to experiment with to find out what, and what not to do. A shot of the traveller for the main boom. A shot of the boat with the mast and spars ready for mounting. My wife has kindly offered to sew the sails on her machine. She's awesome! They are a work in progress so I will wait to step the main mast until I can get the sail bent on. Stay tuned... maurino, Piet, Salty Sea Dog and 6 others 9 Quote Build Log: Billing - Cutty Sark In The Gallery: HMS Unicorn, HMAV Bounty, L'Etoile, Marie Jeanne, Lilla Dan, Zeeschouw "Irene" A Toast: To a wind that blows, A ship that goes, And the lass that loved a sailor! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popeye the sailor Posted February 28, 2014 Share #76 Posted February 28, 2014 man!!! your a lucky guy! my admiral won't do it for me .........but I can agree with her, it's my thing I don't mind playing 'Sally Seamstress" for a while......it's kinda fun :D . nice bit of progress you've made........the ship looks absolutely marvelous! the traveler {horse} came out great! superb! Quote I yam wot I yam! finished builds: Billings Nordkap 476 / Billings Cux 87 / Billings Mary Ann / Billings AmericA - reissue Billings Regina - bashed into the Susan A / Andrea Gail 1:20 - semi scratch w/ Billing instructions M&M Fun Ship - semi scratch build / Gundalow - scratch build / Jeanne D'Arc - Heller Phylly C & Denny-Zen - the Lobsie twins - bashed & semi scratch dual build Billing T78 Norden in dry dock: Billing's Gothenborg 1:100 / Billing's Boulogne Etaples 1:20 Billing's Half Moon 1:40 - some scratch required Revell U.S.S. United States 1:96 - plastic/ wood modified / Academy Titanic 1:400 Trawler Syborn - semi scratch / Holiday Harbor dual build - semi scratch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maurino Posted February 28, 2014 Share #77 Posted February 28, 2014 is always more beautiful!!! Mauro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petervisser Posted February 28, 2014 Author Share #78 Posted February 28, 2014 Yes Popeye, I am a lucky man. With my previous models I have hand sewn the sails, but they look a little unrefined. Passable, but they could look a little better. So this time I opted for some "professionally' sewn sails. I still intend to sew on a bolt rope which I can do myself. I enjoy sewing, but the machine is a little intimidating. Besides, if I am taught how to use it now, I will have totally forgotten how to do it again when the time comes. My next model won't have sails you see. The model will now take a little hiatus while the sails are being sewn. And I return to work in a few days which takes me away from model building. Oh well, the end is clearly in sight. Cheers, Peter popeye the sailor 1 Quote Build Log: Billing - Cutty Sark In The Gallery: HMS Unicorn, HMAV Bounty, L'Etoile, Marie Jeanne, Lilla Dan, Zeeschouw "Irene" A Toast: To a wind that blows, A ship that goes, And the lass that loved a sailor! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popeye the sailor Posted February 28, 2014 Share #79 Posted February 28, 2014 you've made the first step........and many more beyond. I see you finishing this fine ship Quote I yam wot I yam! finished builds: Billings Nordkap 476 / Billings Cux 87 / Billings Mary Ann / Billings AmericA - reissue Billings Regina - bashed into the Susan A / Andrea Gail 1:20 - semi scratch w/ Billing instructions M&M Fun Ship - semi scratch build / Gundalow - scratch build / Jeanne D'Arc - Heller Phylly C & Denny-Zen - the Lobsie twins - bashed & semi scratch dual build Billing T78 Norden in dry dock: Billing's Gothenborg 1:100 / Billing's Boulogne Etaples 1:20 Billing's Half Moon 1:40 - some scratch required Revell U.S.S. United States 1:96 - plastic/ wood modified / Academy Titanic 1:400 Trawler Syborn - semi scratch / Holiday Harbor dual build - semi scratch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petervisser Posted March 1, 2014 Author Share #80 Posted March 1, 2014 Another little update before work is interrupted. My wife has completed the sails. I have a bolt rope to attach still, but the hard part is complete. I am very happy with how they turned out so far and will have to make it up to her somehow. I'm sure she will fill me in on "how to" on this... Here are the "before" and "after" sails. The finished sails. A close up of her handy-work. A little teaser on the overall affect. I teased her a little this morning, telling her that my next model will be the Cutty Sark which has about 20 sails to be sewn. Her response..."Well, I guess I'm going to give you some sewing lessons" in a matter of fact tone... I'm thinking "bare poles" for that model. Peter popeye the sailor, sawdust, flying_dutchman2 and 2 others 5 Quote Build Log: Billing - Cutty Sark In The Gallery: HMS Unicorn, HMAV Bounty, L'Etoile, Marie Jeanne, Lilla Dan, Zeeschouw "Irene" A Toast: To a wind that blows, A ship that goes, And the lass that loved a sailor! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popeye the sailor Posted March 2, 2014 Share #81 Posted March 2, 2014 now you did it........you were supposed to spring it on her later when you needed them :D the sails look great! I hope you made her an honorary member of your shipyard they are going to look super on the ship :) Quote I yam wot I yam! finished builds: Billings Nordkap 476 / Billings Cux 87 / Billings Mary Ann / Billings AmericA - reissue Billings Regina - bashed into the Susan A / Andrea Gail 1:20 - semi scratch w/ Billing instructions M&M Fun Ship - semi scratch build / Gundalow - scratch build / Jeanne D'Arc - Heller Phylly C & Denny-Zen - the Lobsie twins - bashed & semi scratch dual build Billing T78 Norden in dry dock: Billing's Gothenborg 1:100 / Billing's Boulogne Etaples 1:20 Billing's Half Moon 1:40 - some scratch required Revell U.S.S. United States 1:96 - plastic/ wood modified / Academy Titanic 1:400 Trawler Syborn - semi scratch / Holiday Harbor dual build - semi scratch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior ole salt Posted March 2, 2014 Share #82 Posted March 2, 2014 Peter , what an exquisite little boat. Same for the paint job. It looks cozy enough to live aboard in comfort. S.os Quote New Bedford Whaleboat build. Kit by Model Shipways I've been making progress on my model and according to the instruction booklet I should be painting it, at least parts of it. Are acrylic's ok ? I did apply a sanding sealer. but I want to stain the untreated floor boards which are walnut. Thanks S.O.S. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petervisser Posted April 2, 2014 Author Share #83 Posted April 2, 2014 I have been busy in the sail loft sewing on bolt ropes to the edges of the sails. After my wife kindly worked her magic on the machine it was time for me to break out the needle and palm . Ok, I didn't need the palm... Here are some pics of the progress. I have just the gaff sail to complete and then I plan on dying the sails an appropriate colour. I hope to have the sails complete this week. Cheers, Peter Piet, popeye the sailor, mtaylor and 1 other 4 Quote Build Log: Billing - Cutty Sark In The Gallery: HMS Unicorn, HMAV Bounty, L'Etoile, Marie Jeanne, Lilla Dan, Zeeschouw "Irene" A Toast: To a wind that blows, A ship that goes, And the lass that loved a sailor! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petervisser Posted April 4, 2014 Author Share #84 Posted April 4, 2014 In that brown bath are the three sails that will adorn my model. I went to the fabric store for some fabric dye and was torn between the teracotta brown and the straight brown. At first I thought the plain brown would do, but then had a change of heart and bought the teracotta. I ended up using both because the sails didn't go as dark as I wanted. I will leave it in the bath for another half hour and then give them a rinse. Anyway here is a picture of the first part of the process... Peter popeye the sailor and themadchemist 2 Quote Build Log: Billing - Cutty Sark In The Gallery: HMS Unicorn, HMAV Bounty, L'Etoile, Marie Jeanne, Lilla Dan, Zeeschouw "Irene" A Toast: To a wind that blows, A ship that goes, And the lass that loved a sailor! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petervisser Posted April 4, 2014 Author Share #85 Posted April 4, 2014 Well, here are the sails out of the bath and after a cold water rinse. I am very happy with them and the colour seems to make them come alive. I am now glad that I used both colours of dye, and I have achieved the colour I wanted. They now have to dry overnight and I am hoping to start the masting and rigging quite soon. Instead of many weeks to rig the Unicorn I am thinking a couple of hours for the zeeschouw. Instant gratification, as the saying goes. Cheers, Peter Piet and popeye the sailor 2 Quote Build Log: Billing - Cutty Sark In The Gallery: HMS Unicorn, HMAV Bounty, L'Etoile, Marie Jeanne, Lilla Dan, Zeeschouw "Irene" A Toast: To a wind that blows, A ship that goes, And the lass that loved a sailor! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piet Posted April 4, 2014 Share #86 Posted April 4, 2014 They look terrific Peter, congrats Waiting actiously for the final rigging. Cheers, Quote Piet, The Flying Dutchman. "Your greatest asset is not the quantity of your friends , rather the quality of your friends." (old Chinese proverb) Current Builds: Hr. Ms. Java 1925-1942 VOC Ship Surabaya Planned Builds: Young America Diorama - scale 1:3000 Future Builds: KPM ship "MS Musi." Zuiderzee Botter - scale 1:25. VOC Jacht in a 6" lamp, Buginese fishing Prauw. Hr. Ms. Java - Royal Navy Netherlands Cruiser. Completed Builds: Hr. Ms. O16 Submarine Hr. Ms. O19 - Submarine Royal Navy Netherlands Ship Yard Diorama with Topsail schooner - Friendship Sloop Gwenfra Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack Golden Hind - Cutte Sark (both not in this forum) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popeye the sailor Posted April 5, 2014 Share #87 Posted April 5, 2014 they look awesome Peter.......love the color! Quote I yam wot I yam! finished builds: Billings Nordkap 476 / Billings Cux 87 / Billings Mary Ann / Billings AmericA - reissue Billings Regina - bashed into the Susan A / Andrea Gail 1:20 - semi scratch w/ Billing instructions M&M Fun Ship - semi scratch build / Gundalow - scratch build / Jeanne D'Arc - Heller Phylly C & Denny-Zen - the Lobsie twins - bashed & semi scratch dual build Billing T78 Norden in dry dock: Billing's Gothenborg 1:100 / Billing's Boulogne Etaples 1:20 Billing's Half Moon 1:40 - some scratch required Revell U.S.S. United States 1:96 - plastic/ wood modified / Academy Titanic 1:400 Trawler Syborn - semi scratch / Holiday Harbor dual build - semi scratch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flying_dutchman2 Posted April 5, 2014 Share #88 Posted April 5, 2014 Your sails are looking just like the real thing. If you look at the tjalks, zeeschouws, and other flat and round bottom boats in the Netherlands, their main sail is usually that color, a heavy brown canvas. My neighbor does all my sails on her fancy computer controlled sewing machine. In return I advice her husband on what to do with his garden. I believe in bartering. Overall, your zeeschouw, looks beautiful, the paint job, the lines of the boat and I look forward in seeing her completed. Marc Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petervisser Posted April 5, 2014 Author Share #89 Posted April 5, 2014 Thanks for very kind comment gents. Today I hope to start the masting and rigging and will post some pics later today hopefully. There is definitely some light at the end of the tunnel.I can almost taste the Heineken! Peter Quote Build Log: Billing - Cutty Sark In The Gallery: HMS Unicorn, HMAV Bounty, L'Etoile, Marie Jeanne, Lilla Dan, Zeeschouw "Irene" A Toast: To a wind that blows, A ship that goes, And the lass that loved a sailor! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petervisser Posted April 5, 2014 Author Share #90 Posted April 5, 2014 Okay, now the fun begins. I have been very anxious to get the spars up and the sails on. Now that all the components are prepped I can finally begin. Well to start with, I had to mount the bowsprit. It comprised of a couple of components including a small support which helps secure the bowsprit, I am assuming. Although the kit did not suggest a bob stay, I decided to rig one anyway. It is for piece of mind and besides, it looks good! Here are some pics of the progress... Now, back to the boatyard for the main mast and gaff sail! Peter popeye the sailor, sawdust, flying_dutchman2 and 3 others 6 Quote Build Log: Billing - Cutty Sark In The Gallery: HMS Unicorn, HMAV Bounty, L'Etoile, Marie Jeanne, Lilla Dan, Zeeschouw "Irene" A Toast: To a wind that blows, A ship that goes, And the lass that loved a sailor! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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