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Thermopylae by popeye the sailor - Sergal - 1:124 scale


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hello Greg.......glad to have you aboard!   I was beginning to wonder.  enjoy! :)  

 

thanks Rob......thanks again for clearing up my befuddlement.   I think there might be a ship in this box yet! ;)    I still feel that the arrangement isn't completely correct.........if I knew I was going to scratch them out like I did,  I would have added more.   it is what it is ;)   thanks again for the good word!  

 

thanks to all for the likes! :) 

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here's a bit more progress on the 'ole girl.    the anchor guards are in place......and a little bit more.   the rub rail has been painted.....I did a butcher job on it.  it need another coat....then I can do all the touch ups on it.

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the rudder is now in place as well.

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I added some extra thickness to the pin rail between the fore and main pin racks,  because it looks like there are some belaying pins along this area too.   the main deck cabin and the hold covers have been cemented in place.

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I will have to check,  but I may have to add small sections to the pin rails before the fore pin rack,  and aft of the main pin rack.......there may be additional belaying points in these areas as well.  I did more checking on the mast heights.....and as far as I can see......they are correct.  I had also cut the mizzen as well........whittling down the cap areas of the masts,  the tops were cemented in place.   the bow spirit boom was also tapered at this time......still have to add the hardware.

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I will have check Cyril's model again.........but the plans show that there is a bit more rake to the main and mizzen mast,  than the fore mast.  I still have to adjust the mizzen....there's too much there,  and quite noticeable.   the width of the aft cabin might be a problem too.   it's made from the kit parts,  and doesn't leave too much room for pin racks for the mizzen.   it's a rainy day today, great for finishing the rub rail stripe. 

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this model's gonna drive me crazy John.   I've done a little work on the masts........right now I have the mizzen running through the aft cabin,  and they're not sitting half bad.  any other time the rake would be different on all three.  it's OK.......I'm not ready to cement them in just yet.    thanks for the info John.......I'll keep that in mind.    thanks for the likes everyone!

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The 'ole' girl is looking great Denis.  Just to complicate things ;) :), the increasing amount of rake of the masts as you head aft is common as John has pointed out; however, the amount can vary (exceptions).  The Victoria I am building had quite a lot of rake to the mizzen - yet to measure.  

cheers

 

Pat

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I'm counting on the fact that you will be a solid Clipper lover when you get her finished Popeye.  The *Greyhound* of the sea bug is infecting you and before you know it the magnificent short lived world of the Clipper will take you over.  Everything about them was about speed......a uniquely American invention.  Clippers put American sea commerce at its pinnacle.

Great build...great fun.

 

Rob(Seller of everything Clipper)

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Ahoy Popeye

                     The old Thermopylae is looking Superb buddy, Looks to be the same scale of my old 1971 Scientific kit which is the best kit they ever produced very accurate to say the least great job on the chain plates and installation of the dead eyes they look the business not certain if my eyes are playing any tricks the dead eyes look a tad oversized, But they do look great from my view keep building buddy your doing very well on this old classic clipper of a bygone age of sail never forgotten .

 

Frankie Day

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This is an example of smaller less detailed and slightly out of scale version(NOT Popeyes doing).  The kits at this level tend to(in favor of simplicity in construction) be less concerned with accuracy and scale then larger more expensive versions.

 

In light of the product and the hands it finds itself in...I think it is being built very well and is clean and exemplary.

 

Popeye's doing a super job.

 

Rob

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5 hours ago, rwiederrich said:

This is an example of smaller less detailed and slightly out of scale version(NOT Popeyes doing).  The kits at this level tend to(in favor of simplicity in construction) be less concerned with accuracy and scale then larger more expensive versions.

 

In light of the product and the hands it finds itself in...I think it is being built very well and is clean and exemplary.

 

Popeye's doing a super job.

 

Rob

I agree with you completely. I know it's the kit's fault, but all I was saying it's looks too big for me.

My apologies if I have offended anyone. 

Havagooday 

Greg 

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thanks for the kind comments,  and to those who hit the like button.   yes....scale is a big problem with this kit.   the dead eyes are 5 mm........I'll have to check photos that I have,  but if the second step has them.....I think I'll have it covered....got some 3 mm kick'in 'round somewhere.  I've done some adjustments and scratch work.....but there's just too much to keep in check.   I've opted to just finish building the kit,  and take care of the major stuff as I go along.

 

thanks Pat.......the main and mizzen are pretty much the same rake.   the way the mizzen fits through the aft cabin,  and then through the deck platform underneath,  it put the mizzen out a lot more.  I haven't cemented the aft cabin in place yet......I may cover over that hole,  and insert a pin at the base of the mizzen mast.   once I set it to the rake I need,  I'll push on the mast and the pin will make it's own guide hole.   another alternative is to trim the mast root on the side that will give me the ability to set the mast forward.   I have a plan ;)    icky mae!

 

I enjoy the clipper ship ........I built the Revell Cutty Sark twice.   I also have the parts panels for this kit.......they are in very good shape.   I think I can clone a few hulls with no problem.   since this kit is so 'scratch' oriented,   it will be easier to stay close to scale.   I do have to say though.......it is an interesting kit.   after all.....it's got me 'glued' to it for the past few weeks :D 

 

Hello Frank....welcome aboard :)    as mentioned above,  scale has been an issue with this kit.   I've had to make do in a few instances.   I don't think it will distract from the model once completed.  I think even the blocks will be a little out of scale,  at 2 mm  {and I even plan to add double blocks too......none supplied in the kit}

 

wait till you see the size of the anchors ;)

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hello Steve.   what I did with this kit......well the original chain plates were too small,  so I used some from Amati.   they fit the 5 mm dead eyes,  which was supplied in the kit.   when I crimped them,  I left a eyelet that protrudes underneath,  after the cover board is added to the channel.   once you arrive at the length that will fit your ship  {the Bounty} ,  I strung them on a brass rod via the hole at the end,  and one by one,  I cut them to the length of the first one.  this will work well for the fore and main assemblies,  but the mizzen might be a bit shorter.   they do bend rather well.....be sure to leave an extra 2 mm or so,  to create the hook for the eyelets under the channels.

 

the ones in this kit were so brittle,  they broke.   I have a good supply of the Billing chain bars,  since I've built a good number of Billing kits.   I use them for a number of different things.   I just used a pair of bent needle nose pliers to bend the hook......I did it pretty much by eye.   I'm sure a jig could be created to insure they are exact.   I hope this helps.

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if the plans show where the channels locate on the ship,  I would say to follow them.   a good rule of thumb is that the channels would start along side the mast hole,   and trail past the mast hole,   but it's not a solid rule.   some will locate just ahead of the mast,  to give the shrouds a pyramid shape.   but you can be safe with the bounty.   you should be able to bend the dead eyes slightly to give the angle they need.....or include this as you assemble them  {it's safer}.

 

I was going to  say this last night,  but I forgot.   Billing's kits usually don't supply the chain plate loops for the dead eyes.   they rely on you to make them from wire......not sure what they supplied in the bounty kit,  but I've never seen any.   that's why I specified Amati.......theirs are not split......solid hoops that can be spread apart and insert the dead eye.   with a squeeze,  they are closed,  and the dead eye is retained in the hoop.

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Yeah billings didn't include any deadeye hoops on the bounty I think there plans where still running in the plastic deadeye with there hoop attached then just bend the chain link to the plastic deadeye 

 

sorry to hyjack your log with my bounty questions perhaps you would take a look at my bounty build log and steer my right if I'm going wrong 

 

many thanks

steve 

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I will do that Steve........yea,  it's sad that Billings supplies the plastic dead eyes and blocks.   I don't mind the blocks so much though.....they do look alright on my fishing vessels.

 

hello Dave..welcome to the log.   I'm rather surprised how this little model sucked me in.......almost hard to put it down.   enjoy...... ;) 

 

I did a little bit more on her Friday night.......once I get  the pictures together,  I'll post them.

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I finally put together the pictures from Friday.......figured I'd add them in with today's.    bad thing is......I wasn't very diligent with the camera.    I had cemented the boom on the bow spirit.   after it had dried,  I cut some thin strips of brass,  and added collars to the assembly.

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at this point,  I began to work on the masts,  since I was playing with them.    double checking the height......guess it's OK.......I matched them to the diagram of the sail plan.   after a bit of whittling to the upper end the tops and the trestle trees were cemented in place.

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I thought I had a picture of them in place on the model.......but I guess I didn't.   I had done a few other things before I knocked off for the evening.......making up part of the bow railings,  and adding the second step to the fore and main mast.   

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I need to finish them,  of course.   the work on the masts continued by adding the second step to the mizzen mast.

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to add the third step to the masts,  I had to make the cross trees.   no measurements,  no numbers....I'm pretty much feeling this out.......just going by the diagrams in the instructions {and there are only two to follow.

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for the third step,  I found that I was one cap short........must have used a wrong one somewhere,  'cuz there's one in the parts box.   I have some of that  thin stiff plywood,  that the kits supply {a parts panel},  and I made one.   it can be seen in the picture.  the cross tree to the left has not been trimmed yet.......I left the fore and aft bars long...no sanding either.   the fore and main mast were assembled at this time......the mizzen cross tree still needs to be made.

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the mizzen was assembled and plank slats were added to the tops........these need to be trimmed.   by the time I finish this update,  I should be able to trim them......if it isn't too late,  I'll post a picture of the masts.......ready for paint and brass.

 

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well then Greg.......I guess I'd better fix the exhaust on that thing!   :D      thanks for the good word,  my friend.......and thanks for the likes.  this is just the bare bones of the masts.......there's more to be added to them.    as you can see........it was late.   I barely finished trimming the tops.   they needed to have planking added to them.  they said to use the 0.5 x 3 strips........I used the .75 strips {they might even be 1 mm thick}.   leaving a slot for the shrouds to run through,  they were planked to the ends,  leaving a gap between them.

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once dry,  they were trimmed using the toe nail clippers.   this wood is really brittle.......the mizzen gave me some grief,  but I fixed it.

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are they called cross trees or crojacks.........always knew them as the cross trees {Revell's fault}.   Well.....anyway,  I hope they aren't too big.......based their size according to the caps.   the mizzen is fixed and sanded.......they're all fitted on the ship.

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still gotta finish the rub rail stripe.......and make the rest of the deck furnishings.   I think this is the direction of the day.

 

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