Jump to content

HMS Victory by Charter33 - Caldercraft - Scale 1:72


Recommended Posts

Hi Folks,

Yet another Victory model under way.  My kit was an anniversary present (25 years!) from ‘the Boss’.  I first became aware of this model through the pre-issue information in a popular monthly magazine but had to dismiss the idea due to its cost.  When it was suggested as a possible gift I didn’t need asking twice.

 

The early stages of this build were originally shown on another website that unfortunately had to close down. I think it only fair to point this out as the rate of progress this build log will initially show will not be truly representative.  Progress has been sporadic in the least. To be honest it’s taken me the best part of six years to get to where I am now (planking the upper gun deck) – life, work, other projects etc. all conspire to hold up progress.

Initial construction was fairly trouble free, with the exception of an asymmetrical bulkhead 15.  Dry assembly showed where the problem was so a new one was fashioned from some scrap ply I had lying around the workshop.

The next challenge was drilling the holes in the keel for mounting the model later.  I decided to insert 1/8th diameter brass tubes, with ply re-enforcement where needed, and to use steel pins to locate it onto a display base (one day!) To do this accurately it made a drilling jig based on a traditional design I use at work.

 

post-6202-0-20049400-1482510686.jpg

 

post-6202-0-90779200-1482510703_thumb.jpg

 

Chamfering the bulkheads was one task I was not looking forward to, and it was at this point I discovered the value of websites such as this.  Black felt pen lines on the back edge of the bulkheads that needed shaping ensured that I did not go beyond the profile.

Concerned about how the lower ply gunport patterns would bend around the bow I cut a block of timber to fabricate a press forming tool.  A card template was cut to match the shape of the bow and this was then transferred to the top of the block and band-sawed.

 

post-6202-0-45925700-1482510740_thumb.jpg

 

The double cut design allowed both sides to be shaped at once.  The ply was soaked for an hour, sandwiched between the blocks and left clamped for a day.  The photo shows the result of a test run using waste from the gunport ply sheets.

 

post-6202-0-72434700-1482510765_thumb.jpg

 

The strips were still slightly damp and pliable when removed from the former 24 hours later. With hind sight this was definitely ‘over kill’ and I probably wouldn’t resort to this method again, but it did the job!

 

post-6202-0-72823100-1482510783_thumb.jpg

Details of my experiences with the first planking will follow……..

Cheers for now,

Charter33.

Edited by Charter33
Link to comment
Share on other sites

First Planking

With the bulkheads set and the ply gunport patterns all glued in place the chamfering of the bulkheads were given a final ‘tweak’ prior to starting the planking. To help with this, and with the earlier shaping of the bulkheads, I put together a jig that held the model securely on its side. I found this helped with resisting the forces exerted when pushing the temporary pins in and could be used for the majority of the hull.

 

post-6202-0-58784000-1482533207_thumb.jpg

 

post-6202-0-40014900-1482533322_thumb.jpg

 

post-6202-0-82810500-1482533386_thumb.jpg

Following the advice given on this site concerning tools I invested in a pair of plank nippers. A bit of practice quickly proved what a useful piece of equipment these are, although I wouldn’t use them on the ships boats as the inside of the first planking of these is visible and the small groves the nippers leave would show. I have to date finished the first planking of the launch and some of the second planking.
The first couple of planks are laid without any need for tapering but to avoid forcing the initial planks into place I started by putting ‘stealers’ at both the bow and stern.

 

post-6202-0-68761300-1482533433_thumb.jpg

 

post-6202-0-66635400-1482533569.jpg

 

For the most of the planking the procedure was:
• Trim the plank end to match the stem
• Taper the top edges (with a slight undercut as well) for the first and last four or so bulkheads by anything from 1/3rd to 2/3rds of the plank’s width as determined by offering the plank up to its position. Leave plenty of overlap at the stern for later trimming
• Holding the plank in place pre-drill or bradawl (I used a map pin for this) pin holes through the plank and into a manageable number of bulkheads. (4 – 5 usually)
• Apply glue to four or five bulkheads at a time where there will be contact with the plank
• Apply glue to the matching length of the edge of plank
• Pin plank to bulkheads, and use clips between bulkheads to ensure good edge to edge contact.

Off-cuts of planking make great glue applicators!

Keep telling yourself – it’ll be fine when its sanded……..it’ll be fine when it’s sanded….

 

post-6202-0-85782300-1482533624_thumb.jpg

 

post-6202-0-95976500-1482533665_thumb.jpg

 

post-6202-0-55063400-1482533745_thumb.jpg

A few ‘stealers’ where required, especially at the stern, but these were no problem to cut to fit the gaps.

 

post-6202-0-69903300-1482533806.jpg

Sanding the hull to shape turned out to be more straight-forward than I anticipated but as it is a messy job the hull had to be transported to work for the task – you get some funny looks walking across the car park with one of these tucked under your arm! My only regret was filling blemishes with filler that was a bit darker than it could have been which tended to emphasize defects but as the whole lot gets covered with the second planking and subsequent painting it does not matter too much.

Next installment - juggling the components that make the Quarter Galleries.

 

 

Cheers for now,

 

Graham

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Hi,

 

Construction of the Quarter Galleries went as per the instructions, which proved to be very accurate:

‘Time and care will be required…..’

Oh yes, and as many arms as an octopus wouldn’t go amiss! However, the effort was rewarded by the results and I must admit that that there’s much satisfaction, and a sense of relief, once the juggling of components is finished.

 

post-6202-0-89472500-1482615870_thumb.jpg

 

post-6202-0-96103800-1482615907_thumb.jpg

The upper stern counter pattern fitted easily, and to achieve the slight concave curve on the lower stern counter pattern I decided to increase its pliability by wetting it and then zapping it briefly in the microwave. I then left it, suitably supported, under a cylindrical weight to cool down and fully dry out. The photos show the result.

 

post-6202-0-76316500-1482615934_thumb.jpg

 

post-6202-0-12657500-1482615970_thumb.jpg

The next task was the middle gun deck planking. I wanted to simulate the treenails and the caulking between the planks. I’ve followed the various debates relating to how appropriate it is to have them on model of this scale but I like them and feel they are worth the effort.  Little of this work will be visible once the hull is finished but it seemed like an ideal opportunity to try out different techniques in preparation for later in the build. For the caulking I went down the black thread route, running a line down each edge of the plank runs and also gluing a short length of thread to one end of each plank where it would butt up to the next.

 

post-6202-0-64131300-1482616009_thumb.jpg

One minor problem was the side edges of the planks which were often slightly beveled, a bit rough or marginally wider than 4mm. Fine ‘wet and dry’ glued to a piece of MDF and a sanding aid sorted this out.

 

post-6202-0-62335200-1482616085_thumb.jpg

The most successful method of simulating the treenails started with the marking of their positions on the ends of each plank. Another jig and a small watchmaker’s screwdriver ground to a point enabled the positions to be impressed, and these marks acted as the equivalent of centre punch marks on a piece of metal – enabling a 0.5mm PCB drill bit in a mini-drill to line up and make the hole without slipping. This drilling was done after all the planks had been glued down.

 

post-6202-0-73149900-1482616117_thumb.jpg

 

post-6202-0-89202200-1482616155_thumb.jpg

 

The treenails themselves were made from slithers of teak veneer. These were dipped into PVA glue, then pushed into place and cut almost flush with a pair of side cutters. The adjacent photo shows the last one going in.

 

post-6202-0-36330500-1482616183_thumb.jpg

Once the glue had had a chance to fully set any remaining protruding material was sliced off with a sharp chisel.

 

post-6202-0-09601400-1482616211_thumb.jpg

Sanding the decking risked catching the caulking thread so a smooth surface was achieved by careful use of some scrappers. After any dust had been brushed or vacuumed the surface was sealed with a coat of matt varnish after which it proved safe enough to resort to fine glass paper between each of the subsequent two coats of varnish.

 

post-6202-0-57276400-1482616257_thumb.jpg

 

post-6202-0-21390300-1482616306_thumb.jpg

The mast sleeve was fitted after the varnishing was done to make sanding the deck easier. To get the sleeve to bond to the varnished surface I resorted to rapid drying epoxy resin.

 

These photos show the lining of the entry ports.

 

post-6202-0-98688800-1482616334_thumb.jpg

 

post-6202-0-47529000-1482616432_thumb.jpg

 

post-6202-0-87578400-1482616456_thumb.jpg

The next stage, and one I’ve been looking forward to, is the second planking. Following the advice of other builds on this site (thanks to all!) I’m going to replicate the 30’ plank lengths. If my maths is right this makes a full plank 127mm long, with an overlap that works out at 2 inches. (apologies for mixing units of measurement – that’s just how my old brain works these days!)

 

Cheers for now,

 

Graham.
 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Hi,

 

Seasons greetings to all - I hope Santa has responded to the hints you may have been dropping recently as he (she) did for me - a quality razor saw that will help me rectify a minor issue with the upper gun deck inner bulwark gun port patterns.  I'll explain more  when I get this build log in sync with actual progress.

 

Meanwhile, to continue the story.....

 

Where do I start?

Ever since I began this build I’ve had a nagging thought in the back of my mind – wouldn’t it be great to find a way to incorporate a piece of the original ship into the model.  Did a bit of research (hours of ‘googling’) - but to no avail…

 

….then …..

There I am at an ‘exhibition of Contemporary Design’ (craft fair!) playing the dutiful ‘Sherpa’ (chauffeur, guide, provider of credit card and carrier of purchases) and found myself having a chance discussion with a stallholder that culminated
in an absolute RESULT!

 

To cut a long story short I am now the proud owner of a Certified piece of oak from the good ship herself from which I aim to make the model’s rudder. It gets even better. I also have a small scrap of the original copper hull plating and a piece of iron rod also from HMS Victory.

I now have three challenges-

Fabricating a rudder for the model from the piece of oak.

Replicating a couple of the hull plates and use them in the model’s copper cladding.

Incorporating the iron as part of the three pedestals  that will eventually support the completed model on its display stand.

 

Cheers for now,

 

Graham

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Wonderful work Graham. A pleasure to follow.

 

Best, Ian

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Hi Graham,

 

Hope you had a great holiday. Were you referring to any specific razor saw? I would like to purchase one for my own Victory build.

 

Keep up the great work,

Mort

Current Build - Caldercraft Victory

 

Completed - Artesiana Latina Swift, Harvey, MGS Prince de Neufchatel, Imai USS Susquehanna, Mamoli Constitution, Rattlesnake per Hunt Practium, Caldercraft Snake, Diana, Kammerlander Duke William 

 

Waiting to be Launched -  Bluejacket Constitution

 

 

Proud member of The New Jersey Ship Model Society

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Hi,

 

Mort - the saw I went for is listed as a Zona sabre saw. I need it to sort out a gun port problem so looked for a saw with a blade that was slim, thin, had no 'back' rib and had fine teeth that will not cause the micro ply to splinter. I went for the version that is supplied with three blades, one of which has reversed teeth so cuts on the back stroke and this will probably be the one I'll use. Not an expensive option either which is always a bonus for a self confessed tool addict. I hope this does not break any site rules - if it does could someone let me know?  

 

David - thanks for your kind evaluation of my work. I'm certainly taking my time! I tried to reply to your p.m but somehow managed to delete it and lose the 'reply' button when I tried to send it. Even the link received on my phone chastised me for having the audacity for trying to use the link! (don't you just love technology!). Just to check - we're referring to parts 276? It's easy enough to remove. I'm a regular reader of Robert's build log but missed this. I fitted it as I am constructing the Trafalgar version. Looking forward to hearing the reasons as to why it's best fitted later.

 

Cheers,

 

Graham

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Hi Folks,

 

The first of the challenges I chose to undertake was the
rudder – to replicate the kit’s original piece, on the left, using the Victory
oak.

 

post-6202-0-72426500-1482770123_thumb.jpg
 

One side was cleaned up, the thickness then cut narrowly
oversize with a band saw, and then the timber was sanded down to its final
thickness of 5mm using the jig. The aroma of old oak (with a hint of tar?)
added to the pleasure of the task.

 

post-6202-0-39128200-1482769957_thumb.jpg

 

post-6202-0-73704100-1482769980_thumb.jpg

It was going to be a tight fit!

 

post-6202-0-03721400-1482770006_thumb.jpg

After transferring the outline the shaping was done using a
powered fretsaw and needle files.

 

post-6202-0-07392400-1482770092_thumb.jpg

Job done! The finished rudder is mostly copper clad with the
top section painted black – I’ll probably leave some of this upper area
unpainted and just apply matt varnish; but that’s way off in the future….

Next – the copper plates.

 

Cheers,

 

Graham

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Hi Folks,

 

The second challenge, the copper plates…..

The scrap of copper I received was from the edge of a plate complete with fixing holes punched through. A small section was cut off making the remnant a bit more symmetrical. This will eventually be mounted on the display base.

 

post-6202-0-19626600-1482876808_thumb.jpg

The off-cut was far too thick so I resorted to beating it by hand, hammering it to a closer match to the thickness of the kit’s plates. This required frequent annealing of the metal. The process resulted in a significant increase in surface area to the extent that instead of producing just a couple of plates I ended up with eight.

 

post-6202-0-50768000-1482876847_thumb.jpg

The next step is to try and work out how to produce the simulated rivet pattern.

 

First task was to cut the piece of copper into strips.

 

post-6202-0-58239500-1482876883_thumb.jpg

……this was achieved with a cutting guide and a sharp craft knife.

Another guide, together with an engineers’ square, helped trim these strips to length.

 

post-6202-0-33870200-1482877205_thumb.jpg 

 

A jig was made to replicate the rivet pattern. Each indentation was produced by taping a short steel pin in through the top of the jig.

 

post-6202-0-93740400-1482876925_thumb.jpg

 

post-6202-0-86364200-1482876947_thumb.jpg

The resulting plate is shown on the right, a blank in the centre, and an original kit’s plate on the left.

 

post-6202-0-84403300-1482876969.jpg

The bottom plate was the first attempt where too much wellie with the hammer pushed the pin right through the copper!

 

 

Cheers,

 

Graham.


 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Hi Folks,

 

The last of the three ’Victory material’ challenges is the construction of three ‘pedestals’ on which the finished model will be mounted. Final completion of the model is still a considerable way off – but retirement is probably going to strike before this and it makes sense to tackle the task while access to the workshop equipment is still possible. (well, that’s my excuse and I’m sticking to it…)

 

There are a number of unknown factors that could affect this mini project: Will it be possible to turn the metal in the first place? – I’ve come across some metals in the past that have a skin so hard it knackers the cutting tool in seconds, and what kind of finish will it be possible to achieve? Only one way to find out.

 

post-6202-0-16210100-1482944538_thumb.jpg

 

The rod as supplied…..pretty uninspiring, about four inches long and a little less than an inch in diameter.
First job is to face off the ends of the bar.

 

post-6202-0-01757000-1482944615_thumb.jpg
 
…..then skim the bar to remove the corrosion. First question answered – oh yes, it will machine. It cuts in a similar way to mild steel and is relatively soft ….

 

post-6202-0-56645900-1482944641_thumb.jpg

 

post-6202-0-31626600-1482944670_thumb.jpg

The finished billet is then cut into three blanks…

 

post-6202-0-35987200-1482944694_thumb.jpg
 
I’ve made the decision to turn the base of each column down and thread them M10 x 1.5 initially to enable each piece to be mounted on a mandrel for further machining, meaning I won’t have to hold the blank directly in the lathe’s chuck, and eventually to fix the pedestals to the wooden base.

 

post-6202-0-82958500-1482944717.jpg
 
Mounted between the mandrel and a revolving centre, each blank is machined to profile with a round nosed tool. The final finish is achieved using emery cloth followed by 600 grade ‘wet and dry’, and finally the same grade of abrasive paper lubricated with a light oil.

 

post-6202-0-62330500-1482944742_thumb.jpg

 Just like turning legs for Windsor chairs, the first one is quite straight forward – its’ getting the others to match that provides the challenge!

 

post-6202-0-34396500-1482944813_thumb.jpg

 
Last task is machining the slot for the keel to fit into, using a universal milling machine fitted with a 4mm slotting bit. The final slot was 6mm wide. The pedestals have been previously been drilled on the lathe to take the 1/8th” silver steel rods that will extend up into the tubes set into the hull structure (see my first ‘post’).

 

post-6202-0-46030600-1482944868_thumb.jpg

Done and dusted….

 

post-6202-0-61914500-1482944884.jpg

 

Cheers for now,

 

 

Graham 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Hi folks,

 

I set myself two short term goals a couple of weeks ago;  to get this build log up to date by editing and uploading previous material, and to finish planking the upper gun deck including tree nailing.  It was a close thing but both of these objectives were achieved. 

 

post-6202-0-35721200-1483477374_thumb.jpg

 

post-6202-0-37519800-1483477430_thumb.jpg

 

The planking and tree nails have now been refined to a smooth finish with a scraper and given the first of several coats of mat varnish.

 

These photographs show the second planking of the hull.  

 

post-6202-0-72643600-1483477454.jpg

 

post-6202-0-81759900-1483477487_thumb.jpg

 

post-6202-0-70323900-1483477508_thumb.jpg

 

Unfortunately I omitted to photograph this work as it progressed.  I decided to go the route of using short planks (127mm / 5”) as opposed to longer lengths and found this easier, gluing them in place (CA glue) and shaping the profile of any planks as required. Any minor gaps and imperfections were dealt with using a little wood filler. The hull has now been sanded to a good finish although I am expecting to have to give it a final going over once it’s been primed with grey primer once the wales have been completed.

 

 

There’s plenty to do in between adding coats of varnish on the deck. Cannon barrels and carriages need assembling, plus preparing the various different styles of plank for each of the wales ( jigs made but not yet tested). This will keep me busy until the final coat of deck varnish has dried.

 

 

Not until this is done can I tackle the problem of the miss-aligned inner gun port patterns. Note to self – read the excellent build logs produced by others more carefully!  When I fitted the inner patterns they were carefully aligned horizontally. The patterns slipped so nicely into the spaces in the bulkheads, with the top edge level with the outer pattern that I assumed all was well ……WRONG!  

 

post-6202-0-79569000-1483477529_thumb.jpg

 

 

As these photos show, the inner patterns need to be dropped by almost 3mm before they can be lined. My plan is to cut out the excess from the bottom edge and then graft a new piece into the top. This will be easier than pulling the whole pattern out and re-fitting it, and the final planking will hide the evidence!

 

Cheers for now,

 

Graham.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Hi Folks,

 

To continue the story with the miss-aligned inner gun ports …….

 

The first step was to work out how much needed to be removed from each port. To do this a length of square bar was threaded through a pair of gun ports.

 

post-6202-0-52184200-1483745052_thumb.jpg

 

The gap between the bottom of the bar and the bottom of the outer gun port was then measured. It ranged from 0.5mm to 3mm, averaging around 2mm for the majority.

 

post-6202-0-30438000-1483745065_thumb.jpg

 

This measurement was then marked onto the pattern and the ply sliced with a scalpel.

 

post-6202-0-70442900-1483745091_thumb.jpg

 

A ‘sabre’ saw with a reverse toothed blade (cutting on the pull stroke) was used to cut the ends.

 

post-6202-0-17752700-1483745106_thumb.jpg

 

The final step was to cut and glue a strip of scrap ply into place. Not pretty, but job done and work can now progress with the lining.

 

post-6202-0-03276700-1483745141_thumb.jpg

 

Cheers,

 

Graham.

 

 

 

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Hi,

 

A quick up-date.

 

Having completed the planking and varnishing of the upper gun deck the mast coats have been made, shaped and added to deck. Sounds easy but those rings are so fragile and great care was needed, especially when adjusting the internal hole on the main mast coat to allow for the angle.

 

post-6202-0-86973500-1484349228_thumb.jpg

 

Lining the ‘gun ports without lids’ was fairly straight forward. To cut the lining back level with the hull I used the saber saw, the Kugihiki flush saw I used for the entry ports being; a bit too big to get into some of the more awkward internal areas, and B) it’s currently locked up in a secure cabinet at school awaiting my return to work, hopefully in a couple of months’ time. The saber saw blade needed to have the kerf removed from either side to prevent damaging the areas surrounding the cut, and this was quickly achieved with an oil stone.

 

post-6202-0-83484300-1484349243_thumb.jpg

 

Supporting the back edge of each lining element was essential to prevent splitting or tearing the wood. I achieved this with a length of ply inserted and wedged inside the gun port for the top piece, and double wedges inserted to tackle the sides. I’m a bit of a hoarder fortunately. These MDF wedges were originally used to build ‘washout’ into the wings of an electric powered glider and came close to being binned!

 

post-6202-0-62495100-1484349259_thumb.jpg

 

Masking tape around the external side of the gun ports had two purposes – firstly to further protect the surfaces from damage from the saw, and secondly to ensure the edges were sawn just proud of the hull allowing these edges to be finished flush with glass paper.

 

post-6202-0-83857600-1484349273_thumb.jpg

 

After a light sanding of the inside surfaces a coat of red ocher has been applied and the next task is to plank the inside bulwark patterns. Here I hope to attempt to emulate the additional details of beam shelves, stringers and waterways as shown on ‘Maestro’ Gil Middleton’s superb build log. I’ll need to stock up on some additional walnut strip but an excuse to get out of the house and drive over to the model shop in Windsor is always welcome!

 

Cheers,

 

Graham.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Graham,

 

Hello found your log as it came up front page of "kits' awesome work.

 

Your tree nails are superb detailing, as well as your work so far. I will never be able to get to a Victory build - way beyond my skill set. That said so enjoy following builders who brave this ship. Yours looks to be splendid indeed. Looking forward to following along as well.

 

Cheers,

Edited by md1400cs

Michael

Current buildSovereign of the Seas 1/78 Sergal

Under the table:

Golden Hind - C Mamoli    Oseberg - Billings 720 - Drakkar - Amati

Completed:   

Santa Maria-Mantua --

Vasa-Corel -

Santisima Trinidad cross section OcCre 1/90th

Gallery :    Santa Maria - Vasa

 

 

 

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Thank you for your kind and encouraging comments, Michael and Pat.

 

Just been reading and enjoying your 'Wasa' build log, Michael - no way is a Victory Model beyond your skill set! Superb work and detail. I'll be a regular follower of your build log now that I have found it.

 

Cheers,

 

Graham. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • 3 weeks later...

Hi Folks,

 

I’ve finally finished planking the inner bulwarks and added the additional details I alluded to in my last post.

 

post-6202-0-41228500-1486075551_thumb.jpg

 

post-6202-0-06413300-1486075575_thumb.jpg

 

The waterways were made from 2 x 2  mm stock walnut strip with the top corner sanded to a radius, on top of that a strip of 3 x 1mm was used for the stringer , and the beam shelf was made from 2 x 2mm stock sanded down to 2 x 1mm. All three strips were pre-painted prior to fitting and the whole lot given a second coat of yellow ochre once the glue had dried. I also did a little shaping of the deck supports with a ½” drum sander in Dremel drill before painting them white.

 

The next challenge, and one I’ve been looking forward to, is tackling the wales. The first job was to see if the jigs I made to shape the various plank profiles would work. One length of walnut strip cuts into eleven blanks.

 

post-6202-0-49042200-1486075600_thumb.jpg

 

These were stacked together and sandwiched between the sides of the jig and clamped with a hand vice. The first step was to sand one edge flat and smooth. The blanks were the flipped over and sanded to length.

 

The hand vice was then mounted in a bench vice and a chisel was used to shave the blanks down to the final profile with a final sanding to complete the process.

 

post-6202-0-17039400-1486075856_thumb.jpg

 

post-6202-0-09314000-1486075642_thumb.jpg

 

The three profiles, anchor stock, top and butt and simple scarf fit together well on a flat surface.

 

post-6202-0-29973900-1486075888_thumb.jpg

 

post-6202-0-26238300-1486075914_thumb.jpg

 

post-6202-0-16232800-1486075937_thumb.jpg

 

post-6202-0-43202800-1486075956_thumb.jpg

 

 

I just hope they will do the same when fitted to the curved surface of the hull – time will tell!

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • 3 weeks later...

Hi,

 

Tackling the wales proved to be fairly straight forward.

 

After taking measurements from the plan and transferring them onto the hull, a strip of wood was pinned on these marks and, after a little ‘fine adjustment’, the curved lines were marked on.

 

post-6202-0-07933500-1487372583_thumb.jpg

 

The majority of the prepared pieces fitted straight on and CA glue was used for bonding.  At the bow and stern some additional shaping was required together with gentle bending with plank ‘nippers’.

These photographs show the work in progress and the final results.

 

post-6202-0-33706700-1487372618_thumb.jpg

 

post-6202-0-78106500-1487372654_thumb.jpg

 

post-6202-0-85781800-1487373350_thumb.jpg

 

post-6202-0-01530400-1487372731_thumb.jpg

 

post-6202-0-27593400-1487372768_thumb.jpg

 

post-6202-0-66471700-1487372786_thumb.jpg

 

 

Drifting randomly through the wide ranging posts on this site the other evening I came across many superb examples of the model makers art that reminded me of a time, back in the mid-1960s, when the ‘Birthday treat’ of choice was a trip across London to visit the Cutty Sark followed by the model ship galleries at the National Maritime Museum, Greenwich.  It was these amazing models, mostly ‘plank on frame’, that sparked a lifetime’s interest.  Sadly these wonderfully detailed models are no longer on display although they can be examined to some extent on-line.

 

 

Why am I rambling on about this?  Well – one of the sections I was exploring that started this reminiscing was the HMS Triton project.  WOW!  My head is telling me to keep focused, the ‘Victory’ journey has a long way still to go, my heart is saying – what a challenge! The build logs, both completed models and works in progress, are very impressive.  It costs nothing to start planning… the keel plans are easily down loaded,…. and there just happens to be a very helpful and friendly print shop less than a mile away ……mmmm

 

Meanwhile, it time to start lining the gun ports.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • 2 weeks later...

Hi,

 

The lining of the gun ports was one task where it really paid to do some homework and invest time reviewing the excellent build logs available through this site.  I would never have thought of adding balsa strips behind the edges of the ports to increase the gluing area.

I went for 2 x 2 mm strips and produced this simple aid to help get them in position.

 

IMG_5791.jpg.7ba28e49b9768dfce6b94340e06c8e7f.jpg

 

It’s based on Gil’s example (thank you!) but rather than using a spirit level to ensure that horizontal pieces were correctly positioned I added a simple ‘clinometer’.  With the hull leveled, when the plumb line matched the vertical line on the plastic disc the strips were correctly aligned.

 

IMG_5796.jpg.629a53c2a7f19f2cc4c360fc57a2c5b1.jpg

 

 

IMG_5793.jpg.8d90fc3ffb86f10d649ca764ec5cc3fb.jpg

 

This device was flipped 180 degrees to deal with the strips at the top of each port. Made from whatever I could find in the workshop it’s a bit ‘Heath Robinson’ but it does the job.

The lower and middle rows of gun ports were now straight forward to line with pre-painted strips. The gap between the ‘holding pins’ and the wooden strip was just right to enable this tool to be used grip and tweek the angle of the horizontal strips of walnut to their final position.

 

IMG_5794.jpg.7880e3055e2418b499207e4daebfe90d.jpg

 

A second simple and very effective tool I made was this one:

 

IMG_5797.jpg.f7194c4546aa9f0d7d174c68a673d407.jpg

 

 

Its purpose is to help manouvre  the cut strips onto place and ensure that the front edge of the lining is set back the required 1 mm. Basically a 5” length of 4 mm dia. brass tube, flattened both ends. For the depth gauge a scrap of wood was glued the appropriate distance back from the end, and the 90 degree return at the other end was useful for pulling strips that were too far in back into place.

 

IMG_5795.jpg.5d270708fe14b205221b98fe303407b6.jpg

 

Balsa strips in  place.

 

The ports on the upper gun deck were the most challenging. For the side pieces I resorted to making individual templates to the correct size and then using these to mark out the required shape onto the wood.

 

IMG_5800.jpg.d732f3412e15aa10c5b7216ff00eba70.jpg

 

Starboard side is now complete ….. 

 

IMG_5799.jpg.3936e2d7ceff0c2da580203fed5741ce.jpg

 

........ but I think a bit of tidying up of the workbench would be a good idea before tackling the other side!….

 

IMG_5798.jpg.d7c4d8dd7b7483a0e82d77e75fe9bf07.jpg

 

Cheers for now,

 

Graham.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Hi,

 

Some advice needed, please.

 

I'm close to completing the lining of the port side gun ports but am thinking about how to deal with the upper gun ports 'with lids'. At the moment the linings that have been completed are set back the required 1 mm on the outside but are slightly proud inside and await their final trimming.  Are these linings finished flush with the inside planking or should they also be slightly recessed?  Secondly, and irrespective of the answer to the first question, should the edges of these linings on the inner side be finished with red ocher or yellow? Looking at the instructions, images online and exploring other Victory build logs has proved inconclusive.

 

....... A quick update on the Triton project (Complete) I alluded to a couple of posts ago - the local printers charge very reasonable rates and the resulting plan printed 'true' to scale,  I've located a source of cherry timber just over 40 minutes away and I hope to make the trip in a couple of days if I can escape from decorating the bathroom! Just one fly in the ointment - seems the project is temporarily closed to new members .... or maybe this only applies to the cross section?  In the mean time there's still plenty to be getting on with.

 

Cheers,

 

Graham.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • 1 month later...

Hi,

With the gun ports now lined the construction manual recommends painting the hull before undertaking the copper plating and decking out the upper gun deck. With such a large area to deal with I had already made the decision that the way forward was to use an airbrush. Problem – never used one! Always up for a challenge, and able to access the equipment, the sensible decision was to have a go on something else first. My model ‘stash’ included two plastic kits - a Seafire bought primarily as a research source for detailing an electric motor powered R/C version  I was building, and a Gloster Javelin given to me by my department colleagues to keep me occupied while on extended sick leave. Haven’t built a plastic kit literally for decades and they have certainly come on in terms of complexity! These photos show the results.

 

IMG_5812.jpg.59fa2203bb32e416bd58d0208edee4df.jpg

IMG_5811.jpg.830704b0816cbdb277606b6b181e8650.jpg 

Both kits had the feature of two colours meeting in a similar way to the black and yellow ocher strips on the Victory. To cut a long story short using an airbrush, like any new tool, requires plenty of practice. I got the hang of applying paint to broad areas but struggled a bit with achieving crisp lines where two colours meet. I resorted to having to touch these up with a paint brush. Rather than risk this on the hull I decided to modify my plans and use the airbrush to apply primer to provide a good base surface and then to brush on the final colours.

 

The first step was to blank off the open gun ports to stop the spray going into the hull. This was done with pieces of soft balsa sheet cut to size and pressed into place. The heal of a Swan – Morton scalpel handle proved idea for this task.

 

IMG_5806.jpg.bfbb59def9c3c3ede2dd74dfd6a46524.jpg

 

The stern fascia, the quarter gallery windows and the linings of the gun ports with lids were additionally protected with masking film.

Finally the top was sealed off with scraps of card and masking tape giving the hull the appearance of a prison hulk rather than a first rate ship of the line ……

 

IMG_5813.jpg.83535070f66a47ca512e4db92f04b379.jpg

 

The Admiral objects to me spraying paint in the house for some reason, although the same rules don’t count apparently when brushing or rolling emulsion, gloss etc. to walls, doors and ceilings ….mmmmm!  So, as I had to earlier with the plastic kits, a trip to the school workshops, currently empty of ‘clients’ due to the Easter holidays, was called for.

 

IMG_5815.jpg.40a21530f62b338e3f39331ba34af1e0.jpg                        IMG_5817_1.jpg.2e6244bf8901a9459ebea9b3d2374f8d.jpg

 

The first coat of primer revealed a few gaps and blemishes that needed a little filler and a light sand before the second and final primer coat was applied.

 

IMG_5819.jpg.05b1d0a235da2ee02df335c49e1febca.jpg                              IMG_5818.jpg.b514dd82d8df668af7085b7e1f5f138c.jpg

Job done!

 

IMG_5821.jpg.55418b2477dcab80d527d2638eacd235.jpg              IMG_5820.jpg.943ab766812eab3fcbedd90bb3fc3c5f.jpg          IMG_5822.jpg.87609437db3fa3fc249dde2b2b87ef1d.jpg

 

 

Next task – applying the colour ….

 

 

HMS Triton update. Made the journey over to the timber supplier I had found on-line and picked up a piece of cherry and some maple at a good price. A genuine Aladdin’s cave with some fantastic exotic hardwoods and as a bonus they have a range of wood turning blanks. Could have spent hours there! I’ll put details of the company in ‘Wood Discussion’ section. Now to try and source aluminium T track for the building board.

 

Cheers for now,

 

Graham.

 

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • 4 weeks later...

Hi,

It’s been a little while since my last post – life can get a bit complicated at times!

Thanks’ for all the ‘likes’, they are much appreciated and a source of motivation when tackling those more challenging tasks.

 

Before starting to apply the paint I did a bit of improvising with the tools to hand and marked on the waterline.

IMG_5824.jpg.55333e74ef4428189f993133f9f5f5e7.jpg

 

Two coats of yellow ocher where brushed on and once dry, after several attempts to get the lines right, the edges of the black strips were masked off using Tamiya’s fine masking tape.

 

IMG_5825.jpg.e64a3414eef2f38842d45b69f309508d.jpg

IMG_5826.jpg.b42a16c4c37a013186a0b520491dd625.jpg

Two coats of black paint later the tape was removed and the gun port linings were then neatened up with red ocher and a very fine brush. My concerns that I might lose the definition of the different plank patterns on the wales proved unfounded.

 

IMG_5827.jpg.bff54878e1c1bdfa54b4861ca1bcd52b.jpg

 

Finally I masked along the waterline and applied some copper paint.

 

IMG_5828.jpg.094f06742484b1577e2b64d322d5040e.jpg

IMG_5831.jpg.6fda64001944567b78f238fcc040f701.jpg

Next task is to mark out the additional gun ports on the bow and come up with some kind of drilling guide for the dummy guns on the lower and middle decks.

 

Cheers,

 

Graham.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Thanks WackoWolf and mort stoll for the 'likes'.

 

A bit of progress made this week …..

With the aid of a couple of card templates,  plan sheet 2,  google images and several build logs the location for the dummy gun ports was found and marked onto the hull.  

 

IMG_5832.jpg.2a2822a4e5b997182f4ed9ace1123588.jpg

IMG_5833.jpg.4075b758209b32d0372e9c2b88a2f5bf.jpg

 

 One of the most helpful logs was JJacobi’s – thank you!  I made a comment on his build log back at the beginning of March about how his build was a few pages further on in the instruction manual compared to mine only to discover that he was still in the process of uploading pictures.  In truth it transpires that he is way, way ahead! If my Victory gets anywhere close to his in terms of quality I will be well satisfied.

The outlines of the ports were incised with a sharp chisel as was the division between the double doors on the middle deck.

IMG_5835.jpg.09f93da9fbb069e072afb49a114c6ca8.jpg

The ports were then painted. I’ll add the hinges etc. later on.

 

IMG_5838.jpg.63c1102d8c914735930c7fdd606cf848.jpg

To drill the holes for the spigots of the dummy cannons some simple guides were made. These were produced from some hardwood offcuts trimmed to size to fit the ports and then mounted in a four jaw chuck on a lathe for boring. 

IMG_5837.jpg.f11351fbed57141f3ee482a11a49204d.jpg

IMG_5839.jpg.300905cb08f1aa4164474054cef4b1c6.jpg

IMG_5840.jpg.83183a85126ec4ba1d786833eb5143a8.jpg

The manual suggests that the drill to use should be slightly larger than 2 mm.  Checking the spigots showed that they were well under this size coming out at about dia. 1.77 mm.  Trial holes drilled in a spare piece of ply from the kit resulted in my selection of a Number 49 drill bit (1.85 mm).  Although they still need painting I couldn’t resist pushing them temporarily into place.

 

IMG_5842.jpg.8f66c79d1183a45a53a16bd837b38a31.jpg

IMG_5841.jpg.79f4183909338542402ea3510130107f.jpg

I’ll be spraying the cannons at the same time as the upper gun deck barrels but first I have plans to modify these.  More details will follow once I’ve worked out how to achieve the results I am hoping for.

 

As for progress with my other project - I finally found a couple of UK based suppliers of T Track.  Neither have them I stock at present but at least they have been ordered.  I now have the base board ready and waiting for them, the parts for the gantry prepared and the set of 1:48 scales printed.  About time to start shaping some wood, I think, and another build log to begin …..

With the Victory build the next challenge is the copper plating – lots and lots of copper plating ….!

 

Cheers for now,

 

Graham

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Graham,

 

Just catching up - super nice updates. Learning a lot from you and this great build.

 

PS: Lovely detail work on your aircraft as well.

 

 

Cheers,

Michael

Current buildSovereign of the Seas 1/78 Sergal

Under the table:

Golden Hind - C Mamoli    Oseberg - Billings 720 - Drakkar - Amati

Completed:   

Santa Maria-Mantua --

Vasa-Corel -

Santisima Trinidad cross section OcCre 1/90th

Gallery :    Santa Maria - Vasa

 

 

 

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    • No registered users viewing this page.
×
×
  • Create New...