thibaultron Posted May 26, 2017 Share #91 Posted May 26, 2017 Did you use Chuck's method to create the volutes? Elijah and Overworked724 2 Quote Ron Thibault Shipjack Carrie Price from Pyro kit, with upgraded detailing and history. Going From A 2D Drawing To A 3D Printed Part Tutorial Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overworked724 Posted May 26, 2017 Author Share #92 Posted May 26, 2017 Hi Ron - I've been follow Chuck's great practicum (and deviating in many cases - mostly due to mistakes I make!) in large part. The gratings/coamings look a LOT better than the cheap metal fittings that are provided in the kit. I can see myself fiddling with the quarter badges and figurehead as well. As far as the volutes - yess - I used sculpy. A lot of trial and error...see one of my earlier posts for preparing the volutes. They are tiny...but making the little things are not the challenge - it's getting them to stay on! Since they are very tiny - making the thin tube of sculpy (rubbing progressively smaller snakes of sculpy between your palms) is easy...then simply use a couple of toothpicks to gently roll up one end...then bake per directions. Taadaaa....tiny volutes that look great - until you try to get them on the bloody ship! I've found a couple of things which make this a bit more difficult. First, they don't sit flush, and have gaps between the wooden bulkhead and the cap rail once fit into position. So...when I go to even out the cap rail by filling in the gap between two corresponding volutes with wood filler....I can see the stuff oozing out when I don't wish it to ooze. So, the glue I am using is carpenter's wood glue. It sets up faster than white elmers (PVA) - but still gives you time to move the little things around and position them correctly...a couple min later they are set and you can move on. Another nice thing - the carpenters wood glue is think...son I filled in the gap between two corresponding volutes and let is dry....it creates a litte pocket which should hold the wood filler quite nicely when I go to fill in the gaps and even the cap rail. At least - that is my hope! Sculpy is actually pretty neat stuff...I would never have tried it had it not been for Chuck's write up! One thing more - I have found that the Sultana, as a first wooden ship build, is a great learning experience. Chucks practicum takes it to a new level, and requires more time - but time well spent if you don't rush. Moving on!! thibaultron and Elijah 2 Quote ---------------------------------------------------- “Work like a Captain....Play like a Pirate!” — Every Ship Modeler...everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ca.shipwright Posted May 27, 2017 Share #93 Posted May 27, 2017 Patrick, Your model is coming along really well. The sculpy carvings are perfect. Keep up the great work. Regards Elijah, thibaultron and Overworked724 3 Quote ca.shipwright Michael Zemmel Midlothian. VA http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/11562-hmb-endeavour-by-cashipwright-corel-160/ http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/15329-hms-victory-by-cashipwright-panart-art-738-1:78/ "Buy all your toys before you retire" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overworked724 Posted May 28, 2017 Author Share #94 Posted May 28, 2017 Sigh. Well...got a bit more done. The volutes are on! 😎 Not perfect, or especially pretty...but better than a sharp stick in the eye (as mom used to say...she was a charmer). ...also got the ring bolts (used thin wire...easy) on the cross planks which cover the loading hatch. (Sorry...I know these aren't the correct nautical terms but I'm tired!) see below...moving on! thibaultron, russ, BLACK VIKING and 8 others 11 Quote ---------------------------------------------------- “Work like a Captain....Play like a Pirate!” — Every Ship Modeler...everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overworked724 Posted May 29, 2017 Author Share #95 Posted May 29, 2017 The moment I've been postponing...trying to finish the volutes! 😜 Since I plan to paint the cap rail after finishing the volutes, I taped off the ship prior to filling the volute gaps with wood filler. Hope these pics help help anyone planning to take up the Sultana. I used Elmers wood filler and diluted with tap water (a little bit at a time) until it was the consistency of Jello pudding (my favorite). Used a small spatula to fill gaps...as it dries, it will depress a bit due to water evaporation...but it dries pretty fast so simply repeated (about 3-4 times) with additional filler as needed. Used a very fine sanding stick (foam padded nail polishing stick you can buy at the cosmetic section in Walgreens!) to sand and level out the filling in rails. Looks can can be deceiving. To my finger, the rails feel smooth so will move on with painting (gasp!!) the cap rails black. Moving on.... thibaultron, Tigersteve and Elijah 3 Quote ---------------------------------------------------- “Work like a Captain....Play like a Pirate!” — Every Ship Modeler...everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overworked724 Posted May 29, 2017 Author Share #96 Posted May 29, 2017 Proof is literally in the 'pudding'. Turned out better than I expected. Have a few spots/errors to touch up but not a bad result. 👍🏽 jablackwell, hexnut, yvesvidal and 7 others 10 Quote ---------------------------------------------------- “Work like a Captain....Play like a Pirate!” — Every Ship Modeler...everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigersteve Posted May 29, 2017 Share #97 Posted May 29, 2017 Worked out nicely. Steve Overworked724 and thibaultron 2 Quote Current: Mayflower- Model Shipways Completed: Lowell Grand Banks Dory- Model Shipways English Pinnace- Model Shipways 18th Century Longboat- Model Shipways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overworked724 Posted May 31, 2017 Author Share #98 Posted May 31, 2017 A few spots need a paint touch up. Nothing major. Lesson learned after my first attempt at making the coamings/gratings. Make the coamings around the gratings! I made the coamings first. Which meant I had to fiddle with the gratings to get them to fit. What the heck was I thinking!!! ???🙄 Moving on on ... to the wales. hexnut, thibaultron and Tigersteve 3 Quote ---------------------------------------------------- “Work like a Captain....Play like a Pirate!” — Every Ship Modeler...everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overworked724 Posted September 13, 2017 Author Share #99 Posted September 13, 2017 Took a small sabbatical to deal with visitors from Japan, summer fun, and food poisoning...the latter was not fun. Back at it now. Finished the trim on the transom and made the block for the traveler rod. Need to attach to transom but terrified I'll drill too far and pierce the transom by mistake when making the mounting holes. (Nail biting tense) Also made an executive decision on the gudgeons and pintles. Making them out of copper is beyond my skill at present. So decided to use paper and metal pins. Trial attempts look pretty decent...will mount them on the rudder get them painted. Will send a photo once mounted. Note - always an error in the mix. I just realized I made the bloody rudder too short. ROFL!!! Improvision will win out I'm sure... thibaultron and Elijah 2 Quote ---------------------------------------------------- “Work like a Captain....Play like a Pirate!” — Every Ship Modeler...everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmagna Posted September 14, 2017 Share #100 Posted September 14, 2017 Hello Patrick Great job on your build. I have this kit in the Queue as well and I like looking in advance at how others do it right so that when my time comes I might have a chance! "Food poisoning"? Any chance you did, (Or didn't do) something that upset the Admiral? I'll leave now......... Lou Overworked724 and thibaultron 2 Quote Lou Build logs: Colonial sloop Providence 1/48th scale kit bashed from AL Independence Currant builds: Constructo Brigantine Sentinel (Union) (On hold) Minicraft 1/350 Titanic (For the Admiral) 1/350 Heavy Cruiser USS Houston (Resin) Currant research/scratchbuild: Schooner USS Lanikai/Hermes Non ship build log: 1/35th UH-1H Huey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overworked724 Posted September 14, 2017 Author Share #101 Posted September 14, 2017 (edited) Hi Lou... Chuck's practicum is probably the most thorough teacher/guide for the Sultana. However, you may find yourself, like me, deviating according to your tastes. I underestimated how much actual 'scratch building' there is in the kit...but it is quite the fun project. Most importantly, it gives you some training wheels as you learn the process...so it's a perfect starter kit from that perspective. Any future kits (and my next one is purring on idle in the shipyard....waiting to be unpacked) will go much smoother due to the learning on this one!! Just a note...the food poisoning was from raw oysters at a restaurant! The Admiral (my wife) ate the same ones (but not as many) and only I was affected. Not exactly fair - but now I can boast that I barely survived (not too far from the truth) and that she surely would have died if she'd contracted the same bacterial infection!! In other words, I took one for the team!! (Funny how guilt trips will work on husbands but not on wives...unfair that...) Best Patrick Edited September 15, 2017 by Overworked724 Tigersteve and thibaultron 2 Quote ---------------------------------------------------- “Work like a Captain....Play like a Pirate!” — Every Ship Modeler...everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overworked724 Posted September 15, 2017 Author Share #102 Posted September 15, 2017 Ok. Moving on. The rudder. Made it too short so the rudder arm was never going to look right once attached. Frankly, it probably would have been scratching the deck once attached. Not exactly historically accurate. So...rebuild the rudder!? Nope. I like the idea of adapting so decided to extend it since WOOD IS FORGIVING so they say. While looking for a good source of wood, my wife suggested a fireplace matchstick. WaaaaLaaa! Also shown is the block of the traveler arm. This little sucker was a real pain to build. I made two. One you see in the pics below...the other is somewhere in the ductwork of our house...as the first attempt popped out of the tweezers and into the heating vent. 😔 Sigh. tasmanian, hexnut, Tigersteve and 1 other 4 Quote ---------------------------------------------------- “Work like a Captain....Play like a Pirate!” — Every Ship Modeler...everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmagna Posted September 15, 2017 Share #103 Posted September 15, 2017 Patrick I have thought for some time that Chuck's practicum is probably the best thing that ever happened to this kit! For that matter to solid hull kits/builds in general and that Model Shipways is missing the boat so to speak by not modifying the kit to reflect the modified building method. I hate having to carve out the bulwarks and making them thin enough to be scale. They include his practicum on their website but have not made any alterations to the hull or included the additional material in the kit. In the case of taking one for the team, you can't win there because as the male half of team you are EXPECTED to take all the damage if there is any need. I suppose the best you can hope for is a pat on the head by your wife for doing a good boy. (Or more likely in my case get chewed out for being stupid!) Lou Tigersteve, Estoy_Listo, thibaultron and 2 others 5 Quote Lou Build logs: Colonial sloop Providence 1/48th scale kit bashed from AL Independence Currant builds: Constructo Brigantine Sentinel (Union) (On hold) Minicraft 1/350 Titanic (For the Admiral) 1/350 Heavy Cruiser USS Houston (Resin) Currant research/scratchbuild: Schooner USS Lanikai/Hermes Non ship build log: 1/35th UH-1H Huey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elijah Posted September 15, 2017 Share #104 Posted September 15, 2017 Nice work Patrick! Are those pin heads in the block? thibaultron and Overworked724 2 Quote -Elijah Current build(s): Continental Gunboat Philadelphia by Model Shipways https://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/15753-continental-gunboat-philadelphia-by-elijah-model-shipways-124-scale/ Completed build(s): Model Shipways Phantom http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?showtopic=12376 Member of: The Nautical Research Guild N.R.M.S.S. (Nautical Research and Model Ship Society) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overworked724 Posted September 15, 2017 Author Share #105 Posted September 15, 2017 Hi Elijah! Yes. Those are pinheads from some very small pins (my wife is a crafty seamstresses). I used my micro drill bits...forgot the drill bit size...and enlarged the block holes. Then I drilled into the sides of the block some small holes for the pins. Cut the pins to fit...then a dab of CA glue on the tip and inserted into the block. Pretty easy to describe. Hard to do. (Hint. Get a magnifying glass!) Elijah and thibaultron 2 Quote ---------------------------------------------------- “Work like a Captain....Play like a Pirate!” — Every Ship Modeler...everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overworked724 Posted September 16, 2017 Author Share #106 Posted September 16, 2017 Well...TGIF! Finally decided to bear down and attack the ladder. The thing is tiny and scratch building it (even with the help of the small ladder schematic in Chuck's practicum) is difficult. I tried a few techniques to get a straight ladder and let's just say I was demoralized by the results. Also considered (and tried) using heavy paper. No dice. Finally jumped on line a saw a YouTube video of a lady making a dollhouse ladder using toothpicks and a drill. Easy enough! I just scaled down and used two pins (clipped with wire cutters) to make the tiny frame... Then added the steps. WaaaaLaaaa!!! Not perfect. But also not awful. Will NOT be trying to improve on this result. Moving on.... Tigersteve, jct, thibaultron and 6 others 9 Quote ---------------------------------------------------- “Work like a Captain....Play like a Pirate!” — Every Ship Modeler...everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ca.shipwright Posted September 16, 2017 Share #107 Posted September 16, 2017 Literally; "out of the mouth of babes." Beautiful work all the way through. Your deck planking is one of the neatest and crispest I have seen. Regards Elijah, thibaultron and Overworked724 3 Quote ca.shipwright Michael Zemmel Midlothian. VA http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/11562-hmb-endeavour-by-cashipwright-corel-160/ http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/15329-hms-victory-by-cashipwright-panart-art-738-1:78/ "Buy all your toys before you retire" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overworked724 Posted September 17, 2017 Author Share #108 Posted September 17, 2017 (edited) Thank you, CA! My journey has been frought with errors. There will be more before it's over! But the deck planking did turn out decently, much to my surprise!!! Update: Wales are ready...but too terrified to put them on tonight for fear of screwing up. Instead I finished the traveler rod and block on the transom. Moving on...tomorrow... after a beer!👍🏽 Edited September 17, 2017 by Overworked724 thibaultron, hexnut, Tigersteve and 3 others 6 Quote ---------------------------------------------------- “Work like a Captain....Play like a Pirate!” — Every Ship Modeler...everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overworked724 Posted September 18, 2017 Author Share #109 Posted September 18, 2017 (edited) Wales on...but a heart attack narrowly averted due to the intervention of Chivas Regal. I mean...come on! Isn't there an easier way to put on wales? I preshaped (via plank bender) and prepainted. But this was still a difficult task. I only have two hands, and each wale was like getting control of a pissed off 2 year old!!! Result was ok, but needed to double up wood glue with some spots of slow CA (Zap a Gap). I hate using that stuff, but saw no alternative. Next time, I'm predrilling some holes and using nails. Will paint the edges and leave the front unpainted until it's on the ship. Then will use wood filler/paint after the wales are on and set. 🙄 Moving on... Thank God! Edited September 18, 2017 by Overworked724 Estoy_Listo, hexnut, jct and 4 others 7 Quote ---------------------------------------------------- “Work like a Captain....Play like a Pirate!” — Every Ship Modeler...everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overworked724 Posted September 19, 2017 Author Share #110 Posted September 19, 2017 Trimmed off the excess wales hanging off the stern. Added the stern trim which evens out the slight overhang left over. Actually looks fairly good. Used a 1mm square basswood length, painted then cut to fit. Nothing to stop me from adding the transom except the bloody rudder. 😑 Sigh. Will take it up with ship club on Wednesday. On on a side note...I hate the paint job I did on the transom. every time I make progress I feel like I make more mistakes. Ugh. I can understand now that a ship that looks perfect to an outsider is a graveyard of errors to its builder that only the builder can see. 🤔 Moving on..... hexnut, Elijah and lmagna 3 Quote ---------------------------------------------------- “Work like a Captain....Play like a Pirate!” — Every Ship Modeler...everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elijah Posted September 19, 2017 Share #111 Posted September 19, 2017 I may not know, but it looks nice to me! thibaultron and Overworked724 2 Quote -Elijah Current build(s): Continental Gunboat Philadelphia by Model Shipways https://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/15753-continental-gunboat-philadelphia-by-elijah-model-shipways-124-scale/ Completed build(s): Model Shipways Phantom http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?showtopic=12376 Member of: The Nautical Research Guild N.R.M.S.S. (Nautical Research and Model Ship Society) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overworked724 Posted September 19, 2017 Author Share #112 Posted September 19, 2017 Yeah...I have not put transom on yet. It's the difference between airbrush and paint brush. I used too thick paint and the brush strokes stand out. Debating redoing the transom (again). On a a high note...the wales turned out pretty decent. 😊 thibaultron and Elijah 2 Quote ---------------------------------------------------- “Work like a Captain....Play like a Pirate!” — Every Ship Modeler...everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ca.shipwright Posted September 19, 2017 Share #113 Posted September 19, 2017 OW, Just a little nit pick. Look at photo 1 of wales at the transom. Port end grain is parallel to the transom. Stbd is angled. The same is shown in photos 2-4. You may want to correct this if this is not to due camera distortion. Coming along very nicely. I'll get back to my Sultana one of these days. My Victory really has me hooked right now. Regards Elijah and thibaultron 2 Quote ca.shipwright Michael Zemmel Midlothian. VA http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/11562-hmb-endeavour-by-cashipwright-corel-160/ http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/15329-hms-victory-by-cashipwright-panart-art-738-1:78/ "Buy all your toys before you retire" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overworked724 Posted September 19, 2017 Author Share #114 Posted September 19, 2017 Hi CA Nope - that's simply the way the angle of the wales ended. The port wale angle a bit more than strbd right at the transom. Minor issue - and not one I will fret about. When looking stright on, it's equal, and from the top you won't even notice it. Best Pat Elijah and thibaultron 2 Quote ---------------------------------------------------- “Work like a Captain....Play like a Pirate!” — Every Ship Modeler...everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overworked724 Posted September 20, 2017 Author Share #115 Posted September 20, 2017 (edited) Wellll....screw it. That transom could be better but it could be worse, too! Besides, it's not too bad for my fifth attempt. 🙄 So, on it went. Damn the torpedos. Time for for a few baby pictures of my build. Then it's off for a beer and a couple days off due to work and club meeting. One thought. I no longer believe this is an acceptable 'beginner' kit. First, it's a block of wood with plans. No real kit here. Honestly, without Chuck's practicum and my ship club, I would probably have thrown in the towel. Still might!!! But the frustration of failure has been drowned out by some really good successes and great experience. Will sally forth and hope for the best! 👍🏽 I already have the 'fashion pieces' (the edge pieces that cover the corner seams on the stern between transom and Wales) planned. Then it 's on the next interesting adventure on this build!! moving on..... Edited September 20, 2017 by Overworked724 Tigersteve, Elijah, hexnut and 3 others 6 Quote ---------------------------------------------------- “Work like a Captain....Play like a Pirate!” — Every Ship Modeler...everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overworked724 Posted September 20, 2017 Author Share #116 Posted September 20, 2017 (edited) Ok...I got to say...the walnut transom outer veneer looks awesome. Not historically accurate, but sweet just the same. Love the contrast. 😁 Moving on....to drink my beer. Edited September 20, 2017 by Overworked724 Tigersteve, thibaultron and Elijah 3 Quote ---------------------------------------------------- “Work like a Captain....Play like a Pirate!” — Every Ship Modeler...everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overworked724 Posted September 21, 2017 Author Share #117 Posted September 21, 2017 After ship club last night - I have some newfound confidence. I am not longer worried about the rudder anymore, but no longer have a clear picture on how best to mount it...so will prepare a few more rudder mock ups to have for examining some alternative pintle/gudgeon ideas. In the meantime, will move on with preparing the deck furniture. Moving on... Elijah 1 Quote ---------------------------------------------------- “Work like a Captain....Play like a Pirate!” — Every Ship Modeler...everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overworked724 Posted September 22, 2017 Author Share #118 Posted September 22, 2017 Made two additional rudders without the gaps for pintles/gudgeons. Try a few honestly valiant efforts on the ship. Also crafted together the guts of my binacle. Feet of the binacle made out of toothpicks cross section. 😊 Took a slightly different route but it turned out ok. Will use Manila folder (thick paper) to makes doors. Then paint and move on. Tigersteve, tasmanian, hexnut and 4 others 7 Quote ---------------------------------------------------- “Work like a Captain....Play like a Pirate!” — Every Ship Modeler...everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overworked724 Posted September 23, 2017 Author Share #119 Posted September 23, 2017 Ok. Binnacle is done. Used Manila folder for doors, and painted the tip of a 3mm dowel gold and the very top of the dowel white. Trimmed off the 'pseudo compass' with a razor blade. Door handles are shortened pins. Also added side bolts which will be used to 'tie down' the binnacle to the deck. Chuck Passaro is right. It looks a thousand times better. Photos below. Time well spent and supremely satisfied with my first binnacle!!! Moving on.... Elijah, hexnut, Richvee and 4 others 7 Quote ---------------------------------------------------- “Work like a Captain....Play like a Pirate!” — Every Ship Modeler...everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overworked724 Posted September 23, 2017 Author Share #120 Posted September 23, 2017 The more I zoom in on the deck in these photos...the more I realize I could have done much better on my gratings!!! 🙄 lmagna, thibaultron and Elijah 3 Quote ---------------------------------------------------- “Work like a Captain....Play like a Pirate!” — Every Ship Modeler...everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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