probablynot Posted February 1, 2017 Share #1 Posted February 1, 2017 I've got the kit. And the upgrade kit.Here they are:It might be a few days before I actually start pulling bits out of the box with a serious intention of starting work. I still have some work to do on my Silhouet build. Also, my workshop is still rather less accessible than I'd like it to be. I'm hoping that will change pretty soon though.I'm intrigued by the 'Pegasus-versus-Fly' thing.I had a look through MSW's entire list of kit-build logs. Of course it only covers 4 years (since the disastrous Crash of 2013), so I only had to scan through 75 pages. But I found eight build logs for HMS Fly, and sixteen for HMS Pegasus. Bearing in mind the similarity between the two ships (and the two kits) I wonder why there has been such a strong preference for the Pegasus? They're both Swan class ships. The Pegasus kit costs a lot more than the Fly kit plus the upgrade. Both kits have their good points. Both have their problems. Maybe it's the fact that the Pegasus kit includes copper-bottoming? But to be honest the coppering doesn't appeal to me much. I like natural wood. Not sure (at this early stage) whether I'll want to paint the hull as in the picture on the box, or varnish it.Of the eight HMS Fly build logs that I found, two (by DiKri and CCoyle) were pictures-only, re-created back in 2013 from build logs lost when MSW-1 crashed.Three (by Padeen, Brian100 and pnevrin) were abandoned in very short time.Another, by Aliluke, was discontinued in Aug 2016 after he'd put in about three years' work.The other two - by MartinW and dfell - are still current. You can bet your life I'll be plundering them for help and advice once I get started.Oh, and I expect I'll also be looking at the current Pegasus build logs too! Give me a day or two, and I'll open the box(es) and post pictures of what they contain.At this stage, and after a very quick look, I have to say I'm not impressed by the quality of the wood strips. I predict a fair bit of substitution and scratch-building once I get going... egkb, zoly99sask, maddog33 and 6 others 9 Quote Brian Apologies everyone - I’ve accepted that I’m OLD. I’ve put down my tools and immersed myself in activities that don’t require me to work in a cold, outdoor workshop! I now do other things, but I do still look in to MSW. And sometimes I comment! When I die, I’ll let you all know! Abandoned build: - Occre's "Spirit of Mississippi" riverboat. Previous builds - La Petite Nella (aka AL's Mare Nostrum); Anastasia (1:12 scratch-built sailing kayak); USS Enterprise (Constructo); Half Moon (Corel); Lt Bligh's Bounty Launch (Model Shipways); Silhouet (1893 Dutch Barge)(Constructo); Mephisto (aka Constructo's 'Le Camaret' lobster boat) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDW Posted February 1, 2017 Share #2 Posted February 1, 2017 Sir, request permission to come aboard, Sir. Outstanding project! probablynot, Canute, zoly99sask and 1 other 4 Quote Completed Projects: USS Fletcher 1:144 Scharnhorst 1:350 USS Independence LCS-2 1:350 1:32 J7W1 Shinden Interceptor/Fighter Fairey Swordfish Mk. II 1:48 Harbor Tug Box Scale Albatros D.V 1:32 Ala-Kart 1:25 Ferrari 250 GT California Spyder 1:24 S-100 Schnellboot 1:72 Mercury Capsule and Atlas Booster BR-52 Steam Locomotive 1:35 Triumph 3 HW Motorcycle 1:9 Scale F-16XL-2 Experimental Fighter Bomber 1:48 Rafale 1:48 F-15E Strike Eagle 1:48 Petlyakov PE-2 Soviet Dive Bomber 1:48 TBM3 Avenger 1:32 1931 Cadillac 1:25 Scammell Pioneer SV2S Heavy Breakdown Tractor 1:35 M-50 Israeli Sherman 1:35 Military Wrecker 1:32 Delahaye 135 1:24 Toyota Sard Supra GT 1:24 Enzo Ferrari 1:24 1970 Baldwin Motion Camaro 1:25 1966 Ford Galaxie 500 Stock Car 1:25 American LaFrance Eagle Fire Pumper 1:25 1940 Ford Standard Coupe 1:25 VolksWagen Dragster/Dune Buggy/Street Rod 1:25 Kawasaki Ninja H2 Carbon 1:12 Porsche GT-1 Evo 1:24 Scharnhorst 1940 1:700 IJN Akitsushima Seaplane Tender 1:700 HMS Hood 1941 1:700 Prinz Eugen 1942 1:700 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Worldway Posted February 1, 2017 Share #3 Posted February 1, 2017 Mind if I pull up a chair for this build. I'm hoping to do either Pegasus or Fly sometime in the distant future. Likely it will be HMCS Fly due to the costs difference between the two. probablynot, Canute, zoly99sask and 1 other 4 Quote Derek If you want to build a ship, don't drum up the men to gather wood, divide the work and give orders. Instead, teach them to yearn for the vast and endless sea Antoine de Saint Exupery Current Builds Bluenose - Model Shipways - 1:64 Scale Fair American - Model Shipways - 1:48 Scale HMS Winchelsea 1764 - Group Build On Deck Guns of History Naval Smoothbore Deck Gun - 1:24 Scale Finished Builds Mare Nostrum - Artesania Latina - 1:35 Scale Guns of History Carronade - Model Shipways - 1:24 Scale Member of the Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Wellington Posted February 1, 2017 Share #4 Posted February 1, 2017 Always good to see a new Swan build Brian, definitely want to learn about your approach. mtaylor, maddog33, probablynot and 1 other 4 Quote Cheers, Jason "Which it will be ready when it is ready!" In the shipyard: HMS Jason (c.1794: Artois Class 38 gun frigate) Queen Anne Royal Barge (c.1700) Finished: HMS Snake (c.1797: Cruizer Class, ship rigged sloop) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccoyle Posted February 1, 2017 Share #5 Posted February 1, 2017 Technically, my build is still in progress. I'm just not working on it at the moment. maddog33, Haliburton, Canute and 2 others 5 Quote Chris Coyle Greer, South Carolina When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk. - Tuco Current builds: Macchi C.200 Saetta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haliburton Posted February 1, 2017 Share #6 Posted February 1, 2017 I'm definitely following along too Brian. Remember as they say, it is all about the journey and not the destination! mtaylor, Canute and probablynot 3 Quote Currently building: HM Yacht Chatham - 1:64 - Caldercraft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canute Posted February 1, 2017 Share #7 Posted February 1, 2017 Joining from the west, Brian. I have a Victory Grenado in the stash somewhere and want to follow along on a Victory Models build. probablynot and zoly99sask 2 Quote Ken Started: MS Bounty Longboat, On Hold: Heinkel USS Choctaw paper Down the road: Shipyard HMC Alert 1/96 paper, Mamoli Constitution Cross, MS USN Picket Boat #1 Scratchbuild: Echo Cross Section Member Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted February 1, 2017 Share #8 Posted February 1, 2017 I'll be pulling up a chair as well, Brian. But first.. need to get some popcorn. Canute, zoly99sask and probablynot 3 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans Triton Cross-Section USS Constellaton (kit bashed to 1854 Sloop of War _(Gallery) Build Log Wasa (Gallery) HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cog Posted February 1, 2017 Share #9 Posted February 1, 2017 How long for the perfectly valid reason ... I wonder ... you are a die hard though ... probablynot, mtaylor, Canute and 1 other 4 Quote Carl "Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson Search and you might find a log ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dfell Posted February 2, 2017 Share #10 Posted February 2, 2017 (edited) Well done Brian Will be watching and no doubt learning.....at least where I went wrong until you pass the point I am at. Regards Doug Edited February 2, 2017 by Dfell probablynot, Canute and mtaylor 3 Quote Completed: HM Brig Supply - JoKita / Caldercraft 1:64 HMS Fly - Caldercraft 1:64 HMS Sherborne - Caldercraft 1:64 HM Brig Flirt - Vanguard 1:64 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
probablynot Posted February 2, 2017 Author Share #11 Posted February 2, 2017 Welcome, everyone!There's beer in the fridge at the back, biscuits and chocolate in the box on the top. Help yourselves!Teetotallers and slimmers will have to provide their own refreshments.If any newcomers turn up, there are still a few seats available back there between the bandsaw and the bench drill.I had my first foray into the Big Box this evening.I've changed my mind about the quality of the strip wood provided. On closer inspection it doesn't look at all bad. The dowels for the masts and spars look particularly good.However, I was surprised to find that the main framework (false keel and bulkheads) is mdf. I got the impression that Victory/Amati had only done that to the Pegasus kit. I've not had to deal with mdf in a kit build before, but I don't suppose it will be a problem. It feels much heavier than the equivalent in plywood would have been, but I expect it'll take planking nails and woodworking glue without complaining.12 (twelve) sheets of plans. Eloquent-looking instructions, and the English doesn't look like too bad a translation from the Italian.Lots of very precise-looking photo-etched brass fittings that, in other kits, would presumably have been bent brass wire or nasty castings. And I haven't even dared to look in detail at the ones in the upgrade kit yet!All in all, I feel comfortable with what I've found. So far. I'll reserve judgment on the cannons and their carriages - I get the impression that the experts here don't think much of the ones that come with the kit.I'm looking forward to starting on this. Maybe there will have to be some measure of overlap with my - almost finished - build of the Silhouet. Ah. Sorry. I think I left the photo-etched parts out of the picture! Canute, zoly99sask, realworkingsailor and 5 others 8 Quote Brian Apologies everyone - I’ve accepted that I’m OLD. I’ve put down my tools and immersed myself in activities that don’t require me to work in a cold, outdoor workshop! I now do other things, but I do still look in to MSW. And sometimes I comment! When I die, I’ll let you all know! Abandoned build: - Occre's "Spirit of Mississippi" riverboat. Previous builds - La Petite Nella (aka AL's Mare Nostrum); Anastasia (1:12 scratch-built sailing kayak); USS Enterprise (Constructo); Half Moon (Corel); Lt Bligh's Bounty Launch (Model Shipways); Silhouet (1893 Dutch Barge)(Constructo); Mephisto (aka Constructo's 'Le Camaret' lobster boat) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cog Posted February 2, 2017 Share #12 Posted February 2, 2017 (edited) Brian, Now is the time to get that valid reason ... Looks promising. The only thing you should take into account with mdf, are the sides which are cut. If you need to paint those, you'll better paint it first with very diluted paint or get a sealant for it, because it is rather awkward to get those covered properly I'll get that spot underneath the bandsaw ... you might have enlarged your shed whilst adding a new conservatory ... Cheers Edited February 2, 2017 by cog Canute, zoly99sask, mtaylor and 2 others 5 Quote Carl "Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson Search and you might find a log ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccoyle Posted February 2, 2017 Share #13 Posted February 2, 2017 The English should indeed look eloquent, since it was penned by one of your fellow countrymen. probablynot, mtaylor, Haliburton and 2 others 5 Quote Chris Coyle Greer, South Carolina When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk. - Tuco Current builds: Macchi C.200 Saetta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
probablynot Posted February 2, 2017 Author Share #14 Posted February 2, 2017 OK - but it's late, here. I'll check tomorrow! zoly99sask, Canute, CaptainSteve and 3 others 6 Quote Brian Apologies everyone - I’ve accepted that I’m OLD. I’ve put down my tools and immersed myself in activities that don’t require me to work in a cold, outdoor workshop! I now do other things, but I do still look in to MSW. And sometimes I comment! When I die, I’ll let you all know! Abandoned build: - Occre's "Spirit of Mississippi" riverboat. Previous builds - La Petite Nella (aka AL's Mare Nostrum); Anastasia (1:12 scratch-built sailing kayak); USS Enterprise (Constructo); Half Moon (Corel); Lt Bligh's Bounty Launch (Model Shipways); Silhouet (1893 Dutch Barge)(Constructo); Mephisto (aka Constructo's 'Le Camaret' lobster boat) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Worldway Posted February 3, 2017 Share #15 Posted February 3, 2017 Sorry, where did you say the beer was? Jack12477, mtaylor, CaptainSteve and 1 other 4 Quote Derek If you want to build a ship, don't drum up the men to gather wood, divide the work and give orders. Instead, teach them to yearn for the vast and endless sea Antoine de Saint Exupery Current Builds Bluenose - Model Shipways - 1:64 Scale Fair American - Model Shipways - 1:48 Scale HMS Winchelsea 1764 - Group Build On Deck Guns of History Naval Smoothbore Deck Gun - 1:24 Scale Finished Builds Mare Nostrum - Artesania Latina - 1:35 Scale Guns of History Carronade - Model Shipways - 1:24 Scale Member of the Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve 12345 Posted February 3, 2017 Share #16 Posted February 3, 2017 Don't tell him Brian you said the beer stash was mine ! Jack12477, Canute, CaptainSteve and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
probablynot Posted February 3, 2017 Author Share #17 Posted February 3, 2017 Steve, Derek, no fighting! The beer supply is a never-ending one. Result of my second wish when I found a magic lamp a few years ago ... Spyglass, I took a look at the 1mm plywood stuff today. The plywood is faced with very nice (sapele?) and looks to be good quality. Not sure what you mean by one- or two- piece. There are two upper-deck pieces - the after-deck and the fore-deck. Are the Pegasus decks split down the middle or something? Haliburton, CaptainSteve, Worldway and 3 others 6 Quote Brian Apologies everyone - I’ve accepted that I’m OLD. I’ve put down my tools and immersed myself in activities that don’t require me to work in a cold, outdoor workshop! I now do other things, but I do still look in to MSW. And sometimes I comment! When I die, I’ll let you all know! Abandoned build: - Occre's "Spirit of Mississippi" riverboat. Previous builds - La Petite Nella (aka AL's Mare Nostrum); Anastasia (1:12 scratch-built sailing kayak); USS Enterprise (Constructo); Half Moon (Corel); Lt Bligh's Bounty Launch (Model Shipways); Silhouet (1893 Dutch Barge)(Constructo); Mephisto (aka Constructo's 'Le Camaret' lobster boat) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
probablynot Posted February 5, 2017 Author Share #18 Posted February 5, 2017 Ignore what I said in my previous post about the 1mm plywood for the decks. I only took a quick look, then afterwards I muddled up what I'd seen of the 1mm and 2mm ply! I've now taken a proper look. Here's a picture of the 1mm sheets: So yes, the main deck is in two parts. The 1mm ply is all birch-faced and pretty good quality. Actually I'm satisfied - impressed, even - with the quality of all the plywood parts. But I was surprised to see the keel and frames made from mdf. Bearing in mind the box lid describes the contents as 'laser-cut wood', I wonder if Victory/Amati are transgressing any Trading Description legislation? Does mdf count as 'wood'? GemmaJF, CaptainSteve, zoly99sask and 4 others 7 Quote Brian Apologies everyone - I’ve accepted that I’m OLD. I’ve put down my tools and immersed myself in activities that don’t require me to work in a cold, outdoor workshop! I now do other things, but I do still look in to MSW. And sometimes I comment! When I die, I’ll let you all know! Abandoned build: - Occre's "Spirit of Mississippi" riverboat. Previous builds - La Petite Nella (aka AL's Mare Nostrum); Anastasia (1:12 scratch-built sailing kayak); USS Enterprise (Constructo); Half Moon (Corel); Lt Bligh's Bounty Launch (Model Shipways); Silhouet (1893 Dutch Barge)(Constructo); Mephisto (aka Constructo's 'Le Camaret' lobster boat) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haliburton Posted February 5, 2017 Share #19 Posted February 5, 2017 Looks good. Hmm re: mdf, I see it is considered an "engineered wood product made by breaking down hardwood and softwood residuals into wood fibre". Lots of wiggle room there I think. Scott probablynot and Canute 2 Quote Currently building: HM Yacht Chatham - 1:64 - Caldercraft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
probablynot Posted February 5, 2017 Author Share #20 Posted February 5, 2017 My own guess is that it's [a] cheaper and easier/quicker to laser-cut, than plywood. CaptainSteve, Canute and GemmaJF 3 Quote Brian Apologies everyone - I’ve accepted that I’m OLD. I’ve put down my tools and immersed myself in activities that don’t require me to work in a cold, outdoor workshop! I now do other things, but I do still look in to MSW. And sometimes I comment! When I die, I’ll let you all know! Abandoned build: - Occre's "Spirit of Mississippi" riverboat. Previous builds - La Petite Nella (aka AL's Mare Nostrum); Anastasia (1:12 scratch-built sailing kayak); USS Enterprise (Constructo); Half Moon (Corel); Lt Bligh's Bounty Launch (Model Shipways); Silhouet (1893 Dutch Barge)(Constructo); Mephisto (aka Constructo's 'Le Camaret' lobster boat) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
probablynot Posted February 5, 2017 Author Share #21 Posted February 5, 2017 Oh a tip - label the thread spools NOW I dont know why Amati dont! Good thinking. No sooner said than done! CaptainSteve, Canute, Haliburton and 1 other 4 Quote Brian Apologies everyone - I’ve accepted that I’m OLD. I’ve put down my tools and immersed myself in activities that don’t require me to work in a cold, outdoor workshop! I now do other things, but I do still look in to MSW. And sometimes I comment! When I die, I’ll let you all know! Abandoned build: - Occre's "Spirit of Mississippi" riverboat. Previous builds - La Petite Nella (aka AL's Mare Nostrum); Anastasia (1:12 scratch-built sailing kayak); USS Enterprise (Constructo); Half Moon (Corel); Lt Bligh's Bounty Launch (Model Shipways); Silhouet (1893 Dutch Barge)(Constructo); Mephisto (aka Constructo's 'Le Camaret' lobster boat) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
probablynot Posted February 11, 2017 Author Share #22 Posted February 11, 2017 At last! The keel is laid! After completing my 'Silhouet' build on Thursday, I spent yesterday morning making working copies of all the instructions. Yesterday afternoon I sat and looked through them all, trying to make sure I'd know where to find all the bits and pieces in the kit, and checking to see if there were any early pitfalls I needed to avoid. And today I was out there in the workshop, extracting keel, bulkheads and main-deck from the sheets of 5mm mdf. The dry-fit went smoothly and quickly, so I thought OK, let's start gluing. I attached all the bulkheads except 1, 2 and 13, and allowed them some drying/setting time. Then I thought ah, I need to attach the walnut prow, keel and sternpost before I go any further. So I did that. And yes, I did remember to file down the mdf at the stern before attaching the sternpost (to create a rebate for the planking). I dry-fitted the deck again and up-ended the hull, to check for keel straightness. Doesn't look too bad to me. And that's as far as I got before my mobile (cell-) phone rang, and the Admiral summoned me indoors to cook her dinner! It's lovely to see you all here for this build. I hope I don't disappoint you! Steve 12345, Haliburton, Worldway and 10 others 13 Quote Brian Apologies everyone - I’ve accepted that I’m OLD. I’ve put down my tools and immersed myself in activities that don’t require me to work in a cold, outdoor workshop! I now do other things, but I do still look in to MSW. And sometimes I comment! When I die, I’ll let you all know! Abandoned build: - Occre's "Spirit of Mississippi" riverboat. Previous builds - La Petite Nella (aka AL's Mare Nostrum); Anastasia (1:12 scratch-built sailing kayak); USS Enterprise (Constructo); Half Moon (Corel); Lt Bligh's Bounty Launch (Model Shipways); Silhouet (1893 Dutch Barge)(Constructo); Mephisto (aka Constructo's 'Le Camaret' lobster boat) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
probablynot Posted February 11, 2017 Author Share #23 Posted February 11, 2017 I admit I was of two minds about the walnut keel/stem/sternpost. However, the instructions did say to add them at this stage. And because the bulkheads come down to within a millimetre of the bottom of the false keel, I knew I'd need to have something there for my keel clamp to hold once the garboard strakes were on. I did take the precaution of rough-fairing the bulkheads - at least, the ones at the stern. I haven't yet fitted bulkheads 1 and 2 at the bows, but they'll be rough-sanded in due course. I've got tools that are well capable of tackling the finer sanding jobs without damaging adjacent timber. The rebating job might be more of a problem, but if it turns out to be too difficult with the walnut bits in place I might consider taking them off when I get to that stage. Canute, CaptainSteve, Haliburton and 5 others 8 Quote Brian Apologies everyone - I’ve accepted that I’m OLD. I’ve put down my tools and immersed myself in activities that don’t require me to work in a cold, outdoor workshop! I now do other things, but I do still look in to MSW. And sometimes I comment! When I die, I’ll let you all know! Abandoned build: - Occre's "Spirit of Mississippi" riverboat. Previous builds - La Petite Nella (aka AL's Mare Nostrum); Anastasia (1:12 scratch-built sailing kayak); USS Enterprise (Constructo); Half Moon (Corel); Lt Bligh's Bounty Launch (Model Shipways); Silhouet (1893 Dutch Barge)(Constructo); Mephisto (aka Constructo's 'Le Camaret' lobster boat) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve 12345 Posted February 11, 2017 Share #24 Posted February 11, 2017 Following with interest Brian lot of forward thinking involved Canute, Haliburton, CaptainSteve and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
probablynot Posted February 13, 2017 Author Share #25 Posted February 13, 2017 Here's where I am so far.The main gun deck's only dry-fitted.Questions: Are there sensible reasons [a] for planking that deck before gluing it in, and/or for leaving the midships section unplanked until a later stage? My own inclination is to pin & glue the plywood, and to plank it all the way from stem to stern 'in situ'.Are there any hatchways that will have an open view down through the gun deck to the 5mm false deck? Should I consider putting some planking down there to conceal the mdf?I need to draw the bearding line. I'll be using square-headed dentists' drill bits in a Dremel for cutting out the rebate.I notice that other Fly builders have added lines to the one-piece stem post, to simulate a composite assembly. A good idea, but I ought to have thought of it before gluing the stem on. I'll probably give it a try though. If I mess it up I'll just have to take it off and make a new one.Also, seems I shouldn't have set the four extension pieces at the stern quite as square as I did. The outer ones need to rake inwards a little, to follow the line the planking will take. I'll see what I can do to put that right next time I get out to the workshop. Spyglass, yes, I do read the instructions! Sometimes I even follow them. Trouble is, I don't always read the right instructions at the right time. mtaylor, maddog33, popeye the sailor and 8 others 11 Quote Brian Apologies everyone - I’ve accepted that I’m OLD. I’ve put down my tools and immersed myself in activities that don’t require me to work in a cold, outdoor workshop! I now do other things, but I do still look in to MSW. And sometimes I comment! When I die, I’ll let you all know! Abandoned build: - Occre's "Spirit of Mississippi" riverboat. Previous builds - La Petite Nella (aka AL's Mare Nostrum); Anastasia (1:12 scratch-built sailing kayak); USS Enterprise (Constructo); Half Moon (Corel); Lt Bligh's Bounty Launch (Model Shipways); Silhouet (1893 Dutch Barge)(Constructo); Mephisto (aka Constructo's 'Le Camaret' lobster boat) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reklein Posted February 13, 2017 Share #26 Posted February 13, 2017 Brian, I would recommend that you experiment with nailing into the edge of your MDF before you start planking. You may find that edge nailing MDF will split it out fairly easily a lot like edge nailing plywood . Also when gluing, the edges will soak up a lot of glue. You may find that gluing the edges with a sort of primer coat of glue ,allowing that to dry and then regluing your parts together will result in a better bond. probablynot, Martin W, Haliburton and 5 others 8 Quote Bill, in Idaho Completed Mamoli Halifax and Billings Viking ship in 2015 Next Model Shipways Syren Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul carruthers Posted February 13, 2017 Share #27 Posted February 13, 2017 I found pre drilling of the mdf was even necessary for pins as the mdf tended to split. Fitting the rear upper deck gave me the correct angle for the rear extensions. CaptainSteve, Canute, mtaylor and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
probablynot Posted February 13, 2017 Author Share #28 Posted February 13, 2017 Thanks for the likes, replies and comments.Steve12345 said: <<...lot of forward thinking involved...>>Yes, Steve, you're right! And I reckon I ought to be doing more of it than I've done so far.GemmaJF said: <<I sometimes use a bit of PVC insulating tape to protect wood>>A good hint. I'll be doing that when I cut the bearding line rebate.Bill and Paul - yes, the mdf is probably worse than plywood when it comes to nailing into the edge. I'll be experimenting first. I'm not really keen on pre-drilling for planking. Maybe the solution will be to use very slender brass nails? I've got a whole range of nails I can select from, saved from earlier builds!I've spent some time this evening poring through the other Fly build logs, looking for answers to the questions I posed above.It seems yes, there's at least one companionway with a ladder that goes down to the lower 'false' deck. So I'll be putting some planking down there in strategic places.And apparently there's no historical reason for dividing the gun-deck planking into three discrete areas, so I'm now planning to fit the plywood base in place and plank through 'in situ'.Victory/Amati's tanganika deck planking strips aren't all that bad. But they're not as good as I'd like. I must check my stash, see if I've got anything better ... GemmaJF, Canute, Haliburton and 4 others 7 Quote Brian Apologies everyone - I’ve accepted that I’m OLD. I’ve put down my tools and immersed myself in activities that don’t require me to work in a cold, outdoor workshop! I now do other things, but I do still look in to MSW. And sometimes I comment! When I die, I’ll let you all know! Abandoned build: - Occre's "Spirit of Mississippi" riverboat. Previous builds - La Petite Nella (aka AL's Mare Nostrum); Anastasia (1:12 scratch-built sailing kayak); USS Enterprise (Constructo); Half Moon (Corel); Lt Bligh's Bounty Launch (Model Shipways); Silhouet (1893 Dutch Barge)(Constructo); Mephisto (aka Constructo's 'Le Camaret' lobster boat) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
probablynot Posted February 13, 2017 Author Share #29 Posted February 13, 2017 That's a super link, Spyglass. Thank you. Very informative and useful. mtaylor and Canute 2 Quote Brian Apologies everyone - I’ve accepted that I’m OLD. I’ve put down my tools and immersed myself in activities that don’t require me to work in a cold, outdoor workshop! I now do other things, but I do still look in to MSW. And sometimes I comment! When I die, I’ll let you all know! Abandoned build: - Occre's "Spirit of Mississippi" riverboat. Previous builds - La Petite Nella (aka AL's Mare Nostrum); Anastasia (1:12 scratch-built sailing kayak); USS Enterprise (Constructo); Half Moon (Corel); Lt Bligh's Bounty Launch (Model Shipways); Silhouet (1893 Dutch Barge)(Constructo); Mephisto (aka Constructo's 'Le Camaret' lobster boat) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
src Posted February 15, 2017 Share #30 Posted February 15, 2017 Wow Brian, you are a hard man to keep up with!!! Barely finish one build and you are off on another journey. Crowded room but I will do my usual and sit on the machinery here in the back till you need them. Sam Martin W, probablynot, cog and 3 others 6 Quote Current Build Constructo Enterprise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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