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Hermione by MESSIS - FINISHED - Artesania Latina - 1/89


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Shipyard remain open through Eastern holidays but mostly didnt turn up for work! 

 

Anyway planking went on, from gunports down to the hull. Crushial point was the turning from side planking (gunports planking) to the planking under the hull (bottom hull planking).It went smoothly!

The key was to keep distances within tollerances of +/- 1mm diviation from the initial plank.

 

Problems appeared on the end of the planks at the bow where the planking ends leaving a gap to fit the sternpost and on the few last planks on the stern (just before the turn to the bottom planking), where planks had  to be pointed at their end in order  to make the planking's turn to the bottom  (under) hull.  

 

Though a lot of planks need almost 90 degrees curves,the bending was easy... soaking planks from last night. 

 

So it seems the Artesania Latina planking instructions are well studied by the designers of the kit and very good  presented in the pictures of the dvd. 

 

 

 

 

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Getting old is nature. I havent noticed that my pictures  are not sharp...

Sorry guys am coming up tommorow with a few sharp pic. I think its good to see the planks one by one and the turn from upper plank to underplank, which I commented proudly above.

 

Sorry again

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And a better one. It shows  the space between the planks at the stern ,where the 4 stealers are going to be fitted . The end (max) distances for the stealers are 4mm, 3mm and once more 3mm . And there is another one to come after installing the next plank with max distance 4mm again.

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I did... though there were no nails in the kit (I had nails). But thats not yhe issue.... I want to work the way the ship was builded then... 

 

Philo thx for your interest and comments. It seems that in this blog we are very longly.... ok I know we are not the best modellers around here but I thought thats not the issue. Its all about beeing happy with modelling.... but its not am afraid.

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Note: I prefer the old finishing scheme (yours) more than the current kit (matches the real re-build ship). Find it difficult to put paint over wood, whether it be on ships or whatever.

 

Apologies to Messis for using his build log for this chatter.  WIN_20170421_17_36_04_Pro.thumb.jpg.84fccfa9ae625a9db875a5364693d602.jpg

 

 

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21 hours ago, Dilbert55 said:

Note: I prefer the old finishing scheme (yours) more than the current kit (matches the real re-build ship). Find it difficult to put paint over wood, whether it be on ships or whatever.

 

Apologies to Messis for using his build log for this chatter.  WIN_20170421_17_36_04_Pro.thumb.jpg.84fccfa9ae625a9db875a5364693d602.jpg

 

 

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Yep I have the same kit I got mine two weeks ago it came with the dvd I never constructed a ship model in my like with a dvd its going to be hard to take measurements off a dvd but they give you the dimentions on the dvd all metric like everything else nowdays no complaints a matter of taste from this company. Hardy well done tghus far in the contruction build on my friend your doing exceptionally well

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Dilbert55

 

no prlm using the log.... its anyway about the build of Hermione you are talking about. So you are always wellcome.

 

Now about painting the wood. Yes you are right I also agree with you "find it diffiticult  putting paint over wood". But... thinking over it I spoke with one of the kits disigners in Artesania Latina and he told me that the paint of the replica in Rochefort is according to the documentation of the original ship back in 1789 which is still to be found in the museum. Its a fact that the original ship was indeed painted. So..... I had to make my decision what it was going to be and I choose to go for the original look of the ship, which yes  it was  painted.

 

As to identfy the original colours:

As the designer said the kit instructions are to paint the ship in its original colors (replica is painted as original ship). There for in the kit its a list included, of the colours that the replica's designers used in order to paint the replica in the original colours. This list designates the "pantone"colour system, but as to help me, the designer send to me a list of  vallego model paints that corespond to the colors of the pantone colour system. I gave that list to philo426 and you can find it posted on its log

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Thanks Messis.

 

Not sure why Artesania chose to deviate from the historical color scheme on their previous Hermoine kit version that is shown on Philo426's kit box (post #47) as a largely unpainted hull. I prefer that scheme only as a personal aesthetic preference. It was great work that you were able to get the details on the real original colors, hope you can find them in real paints that can be air brushed. The red paint I found locally that was the closest match for the gunport moldings and bow deck planks looked too much like lipstick (to me) when applied so I went with a softer color. Not sure I like what I chose now that I see it in pictures. Have not made a decision yet on upper hull lines, though I like the blue.WIN_20170423_11_32_53_Pro.thumb.jpg.02ad3c1783181bee9a37221b5b1c0724.jpg 

 

For me so far in my short modeling career I'm not attempting to do full reproductions as my skill level is not there yet. 

 

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Dilbert55

 

Concerning colours: There is also  the "scale effect",  that considers the distance seen a colour. And thats obvious different in scale model than in reality. The colours must be pale on the models so you got to mix them with some white or water.... etc etc. Here is a link about this if you are interested in:

 

https://www.cybermodeler.com/color/scale_effect.shtml

 

So if you have the correct colour is not enough. You need to expiriment a little till you find the scale effect, by mixing around.

If you like I can email you the corresponding nr of the vallejo paints.

 

Christos

 

Ps. Your picture: Nice build there.... and nice dark wood! I wouldnt paint such a nice wood hull .... ever. As you saw my model has a plain almost white wood. Very good quality but it doesnt worth even considering  letting it unpainted.

 

 

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I used to have to deal with color matching in my business before I retired but was not expecting it in scale modeling. :-) My hull was also white to begin with. What you see now comes from 5 coats of walnut stain which I'm currently overlaying with satin poly.

 

Bob

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So here is where I am. There is now time for the two planked areas to meet and close the hull. I got my measurements and I got some difficulty to decide how I proceed. If  I use the dropplank method I get a very wide dropplank (15mm=3 planks width). If I go for the tapperplank method then I get some very thin planks... 1.6 mm at the bow and 2.2 mm further in, when plank width is 5mm! I almost have nowhere the full  5 mm plank/strake width.

 

So I figure I make a combination... dont know if I am doing well or if thats going to come out very bad.

Am open to any opinions and suggestions guys...   please.

 

Here are my calculations

 

 

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Perhaps you should proceed based on your best calculated scenario and see if it is tracking to plan after planking 3-4 lines on each side of the ship?

Must admit I followed Artesania's DVD instructions that included planks that come to a sharp point (ex: page 02-11). Only watched Chuck's planking video after finishing the planking so didn't try to avoid sharp ends. As I'm not attempting to be fully representative I'm not upset with my results, though I will attempt to calculate on my next build. 

 

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Thx Bob,

 

Yes I shall do what you said. It seems am going to get away with the sharp points planks. As you saw my calculations it seems am going to have not less than just 2+ mm as  the minimum  thinest planks and that only on some planks at the stem it self.

 

Have you seen my post to you on philos log about:

 

the replica and the original Hermione dillema?

and what about your buildlog?

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Great! Caribean is wonderfull. Wish you pleasant stay there. I myself on weekend am going to France and ofcourse am going to visit Hermione in Rochefort. If you need any specific pictures of the ship say so and I ll get them for you.

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Planking is comming soon to an end. I am not very happy with the result but am statisfied. Two correction planks are going to be needed in each side... I hoped less. And in some points I went a little under the half plank width... point something, I wanted to be sharper, but never the less am ok with the result.

 

So am already preparing for some sanding and painting now and then coppering starts. Coppering is not in the kit instructions but according to history the ship was coppered a year after the ship was launched and commissioned.  And of course by the time that it carryied the french flag (after the french revolution) and not the flag of the Monarchie of Ludwig, the ship was allready coppered. So thats what I inted to do. To picture the ship after the first trip of Lafayette  to America and even after the revolution.

 

Its going to be my first coppering and am anxious to start it. To prepare for that  I got a lot of help in the mean time from my friends "aew" Arthur and "Mirabel61" Nils, who I both  thank a lot.

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