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I'm with Mike on the moulding -- really, surprisingly good considering it is lime.  You must have some nice small files to get such a sharp profile on your scraper.

 

And that's a lovely portrait of William Himself overseeing your work!

 

Cheers,

 

Martin

Current Build:  HMS FLY 1776

 

Previous Builds:  Rattlesnake 1781

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Working out a strategy for panelling

For this I am using 1.8mm x 0.7mm Boxwood strip given a profile using the blade I used for the decorative profile on the Cap rail edge.

My approach is to cut a rectangle of Boxwood strip to the appropriate internal size to use as a template around which to fit the moulding.

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The template is secured to a flat surface (in my case the top of my mini anvil) with double sided tape.

The moulding strips are then fitted around this and the mitres cut insitu.

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The moulding is glued at the corners and when dry carefully prized off.

The  four mouldings for the cockpit area were of a narrower  size to fit.

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Although only glued at the mitres the mouldings are surprisingly robust.

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The completed mouldings after varnish is applied.

I think that fitting them as complete units is easier than fitting them piecemeal on the boat.  A slightly different approach to the lower moulding around the bow deck which was fitted in one piece following wet and heat to create the curve. The sides and tops were then separately fitted.

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I was anticipating that the decorative panels would present a tricky exercise, but it turned out to be fairly straightforward.

B.E.

 

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Ingenious, BE.  Are you sure you aren't a reincarnation of an 18th-century ship builder?  Your technique just seems completely logical.

 

Cheers,

 

Martin

Current Build:  HMS FLY 1776

 

Previous Builds:  Rattlesnake 1781

                        Prince de Neufchatel

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Ingenious solution BE and top quality results on the profiling of those trim pieces.  Looks wonderful with everything in place, such very clean work as always.

Cheers,
 
Jason


"Which it will be ready when it is ready!"
 
In the shipyard:

HMS Jason (c.1794: Artois Class 38 gun frigate)

Queen Anne Royal Barge (c.1700)

Finished:

HMS Snake (c.1797: Cruizer Class, ship rigged sloop)

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Thank you Jason, and for the 'likes'

A rather satisfying day today  making the 'iron' work  for the Pinnace.

Ringbolts.

The kit provides  some small brass rings, three eyebolts, and a length of black painted steel wire.

I thought the rings too small, the eyebolts  too thin, and I didn't like the black steel wire.

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I fashioned the ringbolts from brass wire which was then chemically blackened.

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Forward rings in place.

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Aft lifting ring and Cockpit steps also in place in this shot.

 

Cockpit step

Although the profiles are provided in the kit for this little feature I found it took a fair bit of fettlin' to fit. I painted mine red as a contrast to the varnished decking.

 

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Stem Protector ( Iron Strip)

There are various options to making this; black card strip, styrene strip, or brass strip.

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I opted for Brass strip for which some spare brass fret from etched fittings was used. The shape was formed over the stem and the bolt holes for the strip were marked on the anvil and then drilled thro' using a micro drill in a pin vise.

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This was then also chemically blackened.

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I started the fitting by using ca to fix the strip to the shaped inner side of the stem.

Bolts were represented by blackened Amati fine brass 10mm nails cut down to suit.

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With the aft side fixed a smear of ca plus the bolts were used to fix the fore side of the strip.

B.E.

 

 

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She really is looking good. Nice job on the iron work

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Cheers Don .... movin' on.:)

Next up I added the Friezes along the sheer below the Cap rail.

Mrs W provided the Hairspray to 'fix' the ink on the pre printed friezes. This was then applied with pva.

Below the Frieze I added a Boxwood moulding; again a profile was cut into the face to match the Cap rail edge.

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I pre-bent the moulding to fit around the bow and fixed it using ca. I varnished the strip before fixing to avoid getting any on the frieze.

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With the frieze completed I gave it a coat of matt varnish.

B.E.

 

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Thanks Bob.

Thinking about oars.

As a change from working on the boat I decided to make the oars.

Our Pinnace is a four oared single banked boat which means the oarsmen sit on the opposite side of the boat to the oars thole pin an arrangement which was common in Pinnace and barges.

There are two main references regarding oar specification; David Steel and W.E May's book The Boats of Men of War, which also makes use of Steel's 1797 work.

In our model the oar is  scaled to 14' 9"

For the handles, looms, and body I have used Boxwood 3.4mm square stock The blades will be cut from some Boxwood sheet stuff.

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For this the wood lathe is required, not used since I turned the masts and yards for Pegasus. These oars can be made without using a lathe, but it surely makes life easier.

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Forming the handle, the Loom is left in the original square profile, although David Steel in his The Art of making Masts, Yards, Gaffs, Booms, Blocks and Oars (1797)notes that The Looms of boats' oars are often made round.

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 A combination of files and sand paper is used  to shape the various parts.

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Getting quite crowded on the work bench at present.

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The completed set before final sanding.

 

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I am undecided at the moment how to decorate the oars, paint them or leave them with a clear finish.

All of the contemporary models appear to show the oars painted red overall some with only the Handle left unpainted.

As the boat interior is mainly clear I am leaning towards an overall red paint job, but this is not a pressing decision to make.

 

Making the oars has been a pleasant diversion, and one that proved more straightforward than I had initially imagined.

 

B.E.:)

 

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Very nice, BE.  And I have to notice that you've got the extension for the the lathe  (there's no emoji showing me turning GREEN).  Coincidentally, my lathe is out at the moment, as I try to figure out the stanchions for the breastwork -- which should also tell you that I'm headed over to your Pegasus log, along with those of the other Olde Swans, to check them out.

 

Cheers,

 

Dusty Martin

Current Build:  HMS FLY 1776

 

Previous Builds:  Rattlesnake 1781

                        Prince de Neufchatel

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Great work BE.  I loved the Proxxon mini-lathe.  It made work on my Badger's masts and spars so much easier.  I ended up selling it and upgrading to a Sherline (which I haven't used yet), but I'm sorta regretting it given how easy it was to work with the Proxxon (and I wonder if I'll ever use the Sherline to turn metal).

Mike

 

Current Wooden builds:  Amati/Victory Pegasus  MS Charles W. Morgan  Euromodel La Renommèe  

 

Plastic builds:    SB2U-1 Vindicator 1/48  Five Star Yaeyama 1/700  Pit Road Asashio and Akashi 1/700 diorama  Walrus 1/48 and Albatross 1/700  Special Hobby Buffalo 1/32  Eduard Sikorsky JRS-1 1/72  IJN Notoro 1/700  Akitsu Maru 1/700

 

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Citroen 2CV 1/24 - Airfix and Tamiya  Entex Morgan 3-wheeler 1/16

 

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On the shelf:  Euromodel Friedrich Wilhelm zu Pferde; Caldercraft Victory; too many plastic ship, plane and car kits

 

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Thank you Martin, Mike , and Thomas.

@ Martin - I don't think I did anything special with the Breast railings, although I did drill sheave holes in the lower parts. The lathe extension really comes into its own for the  larger scale models, and it came in very useful for the Pegasus masts and yards..

@ Mike - I love all the Proxxon machines, they're perfect for my level and range of ship modelling.

@Thomas - I doubt you need any tips from me having looked at your Syren build. :) I've also got the Long boat kit, along with 'Cheerful' but I'm very much drawn to Chuck's latest offering the 'Royal Barge'

 

The Rudder

Before I attend to the Splashboards and thole pins I think it better to make and attach the Rudder.

I used the kit provided piece as a template to make one out of Boxwood.

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The tiller is cut from Boxwood sheet and shaped with files. For the ball on the end a Boxwood parrel bead was brought into service.

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For the Gudgeons, pintles, straps, and iron band around the tiller head I used brass strip chemically blackened.

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Speaking of gudgeons and pintles I have deviated from the kit.

Lavery (Arming and Fitting) indicates a different approach to hanging the rudder to that suggested by the MS kit.

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The rudder was hung on the sternpost by only two gudgeons and pintles. Unlike the rudder on a ship it was likely to be hung and unhung every time the boat was used and it needed to be easily removeable. The lower pintle was fitted to the sternpost rather than the rudder. It was very long and extended almost up to the waterline. The upper one was shorter and fitted to the rudder.

This makes quite a lot of sense if you imagine trying to ship a rudder in a pitching boat with the gudgeon below the waterline. Having a long pintle at the lower end would make for easier and quicker location of the rudder.

Looking through some of the drawings in the AotS Books – The Frigate Diana, Endeavour, show the ships boats with long pintles on the sternpost .

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The arrangement is clear to see on Victory's Barge.

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From a modelling aspect I find this method of hanging the rudder somewhat easier that the other method of having both pintles fitted in the rudder.

 

B.E.

 

 

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The Decorative Transom

As I commented earlier in the log I decided not to use the kit provided metal piece  partly because I wanted a Boxwood version and partly because I didn't particularly like the indistinct raised design which appears to be the Royal cipher.

Our boat is a small Pinnace not a Royal Barge, so I doubt the Royal Monogram would feature on such a vessel.

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On my version I have however included a Dolphin design, something a moderately comfortable Captain with a few spare Guineas in his purse may afford.

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I also made the decision to paint the oars red overall, but leaving the handles natural.

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Getting close to completion now just the Splashboards and Tholes to add, but they will have to wait as I'm off to the South West for a week messing about on the River Dart.

 

B.E.

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Nice Dolphin, BE, very appropriate for the 18th century.  Did you draw it freehand?

 

I've never been on the Dart, or further west than Swindon.  I trust you'll bring back scenic pictures?

 

Cheers,

 

Stay-at-home Martin

Current Build:  HMS FLY 1776

 

Previous Builds:  Rattlesnake 1781

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I do like what you did with the transom there. Was wondering if it was a thin piece of wood for if you made it out of paper or some such.

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Very much a working boat Martin, the last remaining coal-fired paddle steamer in operation in the UK today. She was built in 1924 at Dartmouth but her engines date back to 1904. Perhaps of interest to yourself she was loaned to the US Navy during WW11 as a harbour tender. She was restored at Chatham over 15 years and offered River trips on the Medway. In 2013 she returned to the Dart where she continues to provide river trips. Might have a trip on her later this week.:)

 

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Back from the fair county of Devonshire, William had a fine time on the Dart.

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Here performing his lookout duties as we cross from Dittisham to Greenway.

Back to the build and in relation to small boats I like to have a scale figure to check the  relevant proportions of any model I build, and here is George one of the oarsmen.

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Here you can see that with George in position the oar loom doesn't quite reach where the thole pins will fit.

Is this correct, should the loom fit between the thole pin centres? the plans would suggest that this width would allow the thicker section of the oar to pass thro'.

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In this contemporary model the looms  appear to just catch the thole pins.

I was interested in the oar proportions and the relationship to the tholes.

There's a lot more to this oar and thole business than you might first think.

The Length of the oars has a direct relationship to the width of the boat, and whether it is single or double banked; the tholes to the distance from the aft edge of the thwart.

On our model the centre of the chocks scales to 13" from the relevant thwart edge which puts it about mid centre between thwarts.

Looking at boat plans this seems to generally be the case.

Our boat is scaled to a width of 5'11" The oars on our boat are 186mm length overall with a Loom length of 37mm. This gives a length of 14.6' and  a loom length of 2.9'.

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This is the link to the online reference tables by Steel.

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I must admit I couldn't make any sensible correlation  between the Steel figures and our model. Looking at his tables relating to Barge,Wherry,or Skiff  the oar lengths seemed much longer for an equivalent breadth to our Pinnace.

This of course is all academic as the oars as modelled look proportional to my eye, and resting along the thwarts there is no direct reference to the thole positions.

 

Need to fix the Thole pins and chocks now.

 

B.E.

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I like the way you're sorting out the problems here, B.E.   Question. is it possible that  your rower is to far outboard?  I'm thinking he should be inboard a bit more so both feet are on the foot planks.

Mark
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Hi BE -- Just to add a thought to Mark's suggestion:  judging from the photo you have underneath the first one introducing George, I'd say that the rowers are leaning farther forward than he is.  That might explain why your oar comes a wee bit more inboard???

 

Ahoy William, you ol' Sea Dog (or River Dog) -- there's nothing like feeling the breeze your long floppy ears!

 

Cheers,

 

Martin

Current Build:  HMS FLY 1776

 

Previous Builds:  Rattlesnake 1781

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Thank you Steve, Mark and Martin.

@ Mark and Martin - With a single banked arrangement the rower should be close to the opposite side  to the tholes, to gain maximum leverage.

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Here's a modern version of single banked rowing and you can see the rowers are close to the sides. These modern oars don't seem to have the old style looms but rather a slightly thickened and protected area where the oar passes thro' the oarlocks, although in this case not all the oars are set the same.  Not sure Martin that the extension outboard of the oar should change with the forward/backward movement of the rower, but I base this purely on my very limited experience of having an occasional scull up the river. :rolleyes:

 

Cheers Guys,

 

B.E.

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The position of the figure and look of the oar look good to me BE.  Ignorance is wonderful...can only guess that the functional reason for the loom is to provide some counter balance to the outboard weight of the oar and improve handling balance, but its interesting that your modern example (and any that I've seen) do not have this.  I would also have thought that the square loom would be beneficial if it extended to the tholes to keep the blade angle constantly perpendicular making it easier to control if there is no need to feather the blade angle (?)

 

 

Cheers,
 
Jason


"Which it will be ready when it is ready!"
 
In the shipyard:

HMS Jason (c.1794: Artois Class 38 gun frigate)

Queen Anne Royal Barge (c.1700)

Finished:

HMS Snake (c.1797: Cruizer Class, ship rigged sloop)

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Thanks Jason, when you start to look the subject of oars you find there is a huge amount of info out there, including many forums on every aspect  from making to  using, designing and purpose.

From what I've read I think you are right that the thicker part of the oar whether it be round or square is primarily to provide balance and improve handling. One reference I looked at said that the square part begins just inside of the pivot point, so perhaps the Pinnace set up is not that far out.:)

 

B.E.

 

 

 

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