Jim Rogers Posted April 9, 2018 Share #31 Posted April 9, 2018 I’m in! FrankWouts, Chuck, Canute and 1 other 4 Regards, Jim Rogers Damn the Torpedoes , Full speed ahead. Adm David Farragut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Posted April 9, 2018 Author Share #32 Posted April 9, 2018 Here is a very accurate photo on a neutral background to showcase the yellow cedar stem. This should give you a really good idea of the grain (lack of) and texture of the wood. It does not darken along the end grain. Laser char is at a minimum and this has just a light coat of wipe on poly. After a few months the color will deepen to nice amber color but it holds a really crisp edge and sands great. Its a soft wood but finished nothing like a soft wood. It finishes like a hard wood similar to boxwood in my opinion. But at a 40% or so discount. Chuck paulsutcliffe, gulfmedic1, realworkingsailor and 22 others 25 Chuck Passaro - MSW Admin Sloop Speedwell - POF scratch Block Island Boat - POF scratch HMS Winchelsea - POB scratch build HM Cutter Cheerful - POB scratch build Royal Barge - POF scratch Medway Longboat- POF Scratch SYREN SHIP MODEL COMPANY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Rogers Posted April 9, 2018 Share #33 Posted April 9, 2018 Chuck is there a reason that little bitty section at the fore stem isn’t contained in the part with the gammoning hole? FrankWouts, mtaylor and Canute 3 Regards, Jim Rogers Damn the Torpedoes , Full speed ahead. Adm David Farragut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Posted April 9, 2018 Author Share #34 Posted April 9, 2018 Its just one way I have seen the it done in original source material. There are many variations. mtaylor, Tigersteve, Nirvana and 2 others 5 Chuck Passaro - MSW Admin Sloop Speedwell - POF scratch Block Island Boat - POF scratch HMS Winchelsea - POB scratch build HM Cutter Cheerful - POB scratch build Royal Barge - POF scratch Medway Longboat- POF Scratch SYREN SHIP MODEL COMPANY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigersteve Posted April 9, 2018 Share #35 Posted April 9, 2018 It’s going to be a very popular project. Steve mtaylor, Canute, Jim Rogers and 1 other 4 Current: Mayflower- Model Shipways Completed: Lowell Grand Banks Dory- Model Shipways English Pinnace- Model Shipways 18th Century Longboat- Model Shipways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SawdustDave Posted April 9, 2018 Share #36 Posted April 9, 2018 Another great learning opportunity for all MSW members. Looking forward to watching this build unfold. FrankWouts, mtaylor, Rustyj and 1 other 4 Sawdust Dave - Current build - USS Constitution 1:60th (scratch).... Visit my blog site - All previous builds.... http://davesmodelships.blogspot.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rustyj Posted April 9, 2018 Share #37 Posted April 9, 2018 Ah you went and did it. Good for you. It will be great to see her built at 1/4" Canute, Chuck, mtaylor and 1 other 4 Rusty "So Long For Now" Current Builds: HMS Winchelsea 1/48 Duchess of Kingston Completed Build Logs: USF Confederacy , US Brig Syren , Triton Cross Section , Bomb Vessel Cross Section, Cutter Cheerful, Queen Anne Barge, Medway Longboat Completed Build Gallery: Brig Syren , 1870 Mississippi Riverboat , 1949 Chris-Craft 19' Runabout Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alde Posted April 10, 2018 Share #38 Posted April 10, 2018 Chuck, the Yellow Cedar looks great. Will you also use it for the keel? You say it's softer. Does that mean it's also more flexible? Does that matter in this case? I'm only asking because as a newbie I'm trying to learn. I know the planking and other structure will add rigidity and it won't undergo the stresses of a real ship so maybe it's not an issue at all. Canute, FrankWouts and mtaylor 3 The heart is happiest when the head and the hands work together. Al Current Builds: HMS Halifax 1/48 POF Lumberyard Kit Model Shipways Glad Tidings Acoustic Guitar Build FINISHED Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Posted April 10, 2018 Author Share #39 Posted April 10, 2018 I am going to use it for almost everything. The only thing I wont use it for is any scraped molding. That will be boxwood. It is very flexible. Tigersteve, mtaylor, alde and 3 others 6 Chuck Passaro - MSW Admin Sloop Speedwell - POF scratch Block Island Boat - POF scratch HMS Winchelsea - POB scratch build HM Cutter Cheerful - POB scratch build Royal Barge - POF scratch Medway Longboat- POF Scratch SYREN SHIP MODEL COMPANY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tim I. Posted April 10, 2018 Share #40 Posted April 10, 2018 Chuck, I am glad to see this project underway again. I am eager to build this when the kit becomes available! - Tim I. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Y Posted April 10, 2018 Share #41 Posted April 10, 2018 On 09/02/2018 at 8:51 PM, Chuck said: In addition, I am not sure you guys are aware of this yet, but you will be soon. The price for C.Boxwood has increased 75-100% over the last two-three months. Thanks a lot for the tip, bought a bunch of sheets just for the future. So far the price from my favourite European vendor (Arkowood) is the same as it was in 2015, but good to know that it might increase soon! lmagna, FrankWouts and mtaylor 3 Current build: Beavers Prize - POF 1:48 (Hahn style) Side builds: Schooner Polotsk by Master Korabel 18th Century Longboat by MS Finished: 21ft English Pinnace by MS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Posted April 10, 2018 Author Share #42 Posted April 10, 2018 This is just in the states Mike...I have no idea what is happening in Europe but I am actually looking to buy bulk from Europe soon as the prices do seem to be stable there. Also it is very very tough to find 12/4 stock boxwood in the states now and it is plentiful in Europe. There is just the shipping and taxes to contend with. Gilmer on the west coast of the US for example only has 8/4 boxwood and its priced at $40 per board foot now as opposed to $24 per board foot just last year. Its a bit of a ripp-off. I have been led to believe by those suppliers that it is because of the increased tax placed on all lumber imported into the US by these companies. But who knows why....could just be greed. Chuck Canute, FrankWouts and mtaylor 3 Chuck Passaro - MSW Admin Sloop Speedwell - POF scratch Block Island Boat - POF scratch HMS Winchelsea - POB scratch build HM Cutter Cheerful - POB scratch build Royal Barge - POF scratch Medway Longboat- POF Scratch SYREN SHIP MODEL COMPANY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnobiumPunctatum Posted April 10, 2018 Share #43 Posted April 10, 2018 These are very interesting news. I like the color of the yellow ceda. I think it will be looking really nice with my favorite pear wood and a nice choice for my HMS Triton. But in the moment I don't have any idea where to buy tis kind of timber in Europe. I like the idea of building the model in 1/48. So it has the same scale as my other projects. Mike Y, Canute, Jeronimo and 4 others 7 Regards Christian Current build: HM Cutter Alert, 1777; HM Sloop Fly, 1776 - 1/36 On the drawing board: English Ship Sloops Fly, 1776, Comet, 1783 and Aetna, 1776; Naval Cutter Alert, 1777 Paused: HMS Triton, 1771 - 1/48 "Have no fear of perfection - you'll never reach it." Salvador Dali Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Posted May 6, 2018 Author Share #44 Posted May 6, 2018 Just a quick update...Alaskan yellow cedar is being used for this model. The new 1/4" scale stem is now assembled onto the bulkhead former. The rabbet strip was added to the bulkhead former first (5/32 x 1/16). After that dried, the Bformer was beveled along the bearding line into the rabbet strip. Then the stem assembly was glued to that. Finally, the individual keel pieces which are laser cut were glued in succession along the bottom of the bulkhead former. To finish it off, the bolts were simulated using 15 pound black mono filament. I assembled some right angle braces that I designed for the build board to keep the false keel from twisting and bending. Now its time to laser cut those bulkheads and add them. To give you a sense of size...the build board is 36" long. Chuck Jack12477, minimini, gjdale and 33 others 36 Chuck Passaro - MSW Admin Sloop Speedwell - POF scratch Block Island Boat - POF scratch HMS Winchelsea - POB scratch build HM Cutter Cheerful - POB scratch build Royal Barge - POF scratch Medway Longboat- POF Scratch SYREN SHIP MODEL COMPANY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BANYAN Posted May 6, 2018 Share #45 Posted May 6, 2018 You always achieve such clean crisp joints Chuck; very impressive. Love the wood tones! cheers Pat Rustyj, Jack12477, Canute and 2 others 5 If at first you do not suceed, try, and then try again!Current build: HMCSS Victoria (Scratch) Next build: HMAS Vampire (3D printed resin, scratch 1:350) Built: Battle Station (Scratch) and HM Bark Endeavour 1768 (kit 1:64) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robdurant Posted May 6, 2018 Share #46 Posted May 6, 2018 Hi Chuck It looks really great! Will the masts be stepped on deck or will a slot be cut out at some point? I wondered whether that was what the black marks were for but they seem too far forward and aft for the fore and mizzen masts respectively? Really fascinating to see your well thought through design coming together. Cedar looks lovely too. Thanks Rob FrankWouts, Canute, mtaylor and 1 other 4 Current build(s): Barque "Stefano" (MarisStella, 1:63) / Trawler "Nordkap" (Billings Boats, 1:50) On the lofting floor: HMS Bristol Portland class 50-Gun Ship (Scratch build, 1:64) Paused builds: HMS Triton 28 gun frigate cross section (1:64) / F138, HMS Rapid Type 15 Fast Anti-Submarine Frigate (based on above Deans Marine hull, semi-scratch, 1:96) / HMS Mercury (1779) (Shipyard Models, Paper, 1:96) Previous builds: ἈΘΗΝΑ (Athena) (6th Century B.C.) Greek Bireme (Dusek, 1:72) / Zulu "Lady Isabella" (Vanguard Models, 1:64) / HMS Ethalion (1797) from HMS Diana (Caldercraft, 1:64) / HM Cutter Sherbourne (Caldercraft, 1:64) / Completed partially built Royal Yacht Caroline (Panart, 1:47) / HM Schooner Pickle (Caldercraft, 1:64) / M32, HMS Cottesmore MCMV (Sirmar / Fleetscale, Semi-scratch, 1:48) / D98, HMS York, Type 42 Destroyer (Dragon with White Ensign Photoetch, 1:700) / K166, HMCS Snowberry Flower Class Corvette (Revell, 1:72) / R97, HMS Grenville Fleet Destroyer (Deans Marine, 1:96) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Posted May 6, 2018 Author Share #47 Posted May 6, 2018 no that is just painters tape. It is used to just make the bulhead former fit tighter within the three brackets. i use painters tape a lot for this purpose because it can easily be removed later. The bformer is nice and snug now. mtaylor, Canute, FrankWouts and 3 others 6 Chuck Passaro - MSW Admin Sloop Speedwell - POF scratch Block Island Boat - POF scratch HMS Winchelsea - POB scratch build HM Cutter Cheerful - POB scratch build Royal Barge - POF scratch Medway Longboat- POF Scratch SYREN SHIP MODEL COMPANY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thistle17 Posted May 6, 2018 Share #48 Posted May 6, 2018 A number of our group have seen Rusty's model of your first version. It was a delight to behold! So this version should be nothing short of spectacular and a joy to build with your continued refinement of technique. Now the big question is how long do I have to stand in line to buy one?????? Joe FrankWouts, Canute, Chuck and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Posted May 6, 2018 Author Share #49 Posted May 6, 2018 Oh it wont be too long hopefully now that I dont have to wait until the entire project is completed and a book is published and printed. I can release parts of the project as I complete them much like I did for Cheerful. Hopefully the starter package will be released shortly after planking has begun. I have attached the first chapter to give you guys an idea of what the monograph will look like. I am more than happy to answer any questions or embellish any parts of the monograph should more detail be needed. But this will at least give you guys an idea of what I am shooting for. I also wanted to mention again that I have many images of the contemporary model that I will be sharing along the way which I am sure no one has seen yet. Here is one showing the headrails and cheeks....I am getting really excited again to get into the thick of building this model. Chapterone.pdf Chuck Tigersteve, Elijah, egkb and 15 others 18 Chuck Passaro - MSW Admin Sloop Speedwell - POF scratch Block Island Boat - POF scratch HMS Winchelsea - POB scratch build HM Cutter Cheerful - POB scratch build Royal Barge - POF scratch Medway Longboat- POF Scratch SYREN SHIP MODEL COMPANY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
svein erik Posted May 6, 2018 Share #50 Posted May 6, 2018 Its a beauty, cant wait for it I need know deside if I want to build the winni first or the cheerful I have I stock 😲 Svein.erik Chuck, mtaylor, Canute and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
svein erik Posted May 6, 2018 Share #51 Posted May 6, 2018 A Quick question will the brackets be available in the starter kit? Svein.erik FrankWouts, Canute and mtaylor 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Posted May 6, 2018 Author Share #52 Posted May 6, 2018 That will be a seperate mini kit because they are easy enough to make on your own for anyone who wants to do so. No sense in forcing people to spend for more than they intend to use. I like to give as many options as possible if it makes it more economical. I would also recommend that everyone buys or makes a set of these because they can be reused for all models at this stage of construction. Its worth the time to make them. Chuck svein erik, druxey, Nirvana and 16 others 19 Chuck Passaro - MSW Admin Sloop Speedwell - POF scratch Block Island Boat - POF scratch HMS Winchelsea - POB scratch build HM Cutter Cheerful - POB scratch build Royal Barge - POF scratch Medway Longboat- POF Scratch SYREN SHIP MODEL COMPANY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dvm27 Posted May 6, 2018 Share #53 Posted May 6, 2018 Very well written and illustrated, Chuck! Your a la carte method of building provides plenty of choices for builders. JpR62, Chuck, druxey and 5 others 8 GregwebsiteAdmiralty Modelsmoderator Echo Cross-section buildAdmiralty Models Cross-section BuildFinished buildPegasus, 1776, cross-sectionCurrent buildSpeedwell, 1752 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Posted May 7, 2018 Author Share #54 Posted May 7, 2018 Thanks...I still have to edit it. Its on the list of things to do. Below is a dry fit of the bulkheads and stern frames. All looks good to go for the next step. And just this one time only...I dragged out the old dusty and broken 3/16" scale version of the Winnie for a size comparison. They are lined up at the stern so you can see the difference. What a mess the old model is....full of dust and filthy as well as busted up a bit. shipmodel, reilly, KenW and 38 others 41 Chuck Passaro - MSW Admin Sloop Speedwell - POF scratch Block Island Boat - POF scratch HMS Winchelsea - POB scratch build HM Cutter Cheerful - POB scratch build Royal Barge - POF scratch Medway Longboat- POF Scratch SYREN SHIP MODEL COMPANY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnobiumPunctatum Posted May 7, 2018 Share #55 Posted May 7, 2018 Really nice Progress, Chuck. I like the size of your Version 2, much more possibilitie to play with details. FrankWouts, Captain Poison, Dubz and 2 others 5 Regards Christian Current build: HM Cutter Alert, 1777; HM Sloop Fly, 1776 - 1/36 On the drawing board: English Ship Sloops Fly, 1776, Comet, 1783 and Aetna, 1776; Naval Cutter Alert, 1777 Paused: HMS Triton, 1771 - 1/48 "Have no fear of perfection - you'll never reach it." Salvador Dali Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Rogers Posted May 7, 2018 Share #56 Posted May 7, 2018 Chuck you provide the most concise instruction booklets available. They are awesome and I would like to make a suggestion based on ten years of writing technical documentation. Number your photos and refer to that number in your instructions. Lessens confusion. Looking forward to this kit. capnharv2, druxey, stevenmh and 10 others 13 Regards, Jim Rogers Damn the Torpedoes , Full speed ahead. Adm David Farragut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Posted May 7, 2018 Author Share #57 Posted May 7, 2018 I can do that.....Thanks. Chuck Nirvana, Canute, druxey and 6 others 9 Chuck Passaro - MSW Admin Sloop Speedwell - POF scratch Block Island Boat - POF scratch HMS Winchelsea - POB scratch build HM Cutter Cheerful - POB scratch build Royal Barge - POF scratch Medway Longboat- POF Scratch SYREN SHIP MODEL COMPANY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rustyj Posted May 8, 2018 Share #58 Posted May 8, 2018 Wow what a monster! And I mean that in a good way. Jim Rogers, Canute, mtaylor and 2 others 5 Rusty "So Long For Now" Current Builds: HMS Winchelsea 1/48 Duchess of Kingston Completed Build Logs: USF Confederacy , US Brig Syren , Triton Cross Section , Bomb Vessel Cross Section, Cutter Cheerful, Queen Anne Barge, Medway Longboat Completed Build Gallery: Brig Syren , 1870 Mississippi Riverboat , 1949 Chris-Craft 19' Runabout Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptMorgan Posted May 8, 2018 Share #59 Posted May 8, 2018 That is a thing of beauty. I'm sure the "pre-sales" are rolling in. Please add me to the list if you have one going. This is going to be fun!!! Steve FrankWouts, Canute, Chuck and 1 other 4 Till next time..... 😎 Steve Finished: Artesania Latina Constellation; Model Shipways USF Confederacy: Medway Longboat 1742 - Syren Ship Model Company Current Build: Syren's Winchelsea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ir3 Posted May 8, 2018 Share #60 Posted May 8, 2018 Chuck, Great project, I'm in. Iran FrankWouts, mtaylor and Canute 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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