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Brilliant work indeed!

 

Michael

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Hello, and thank you all for your comments and likes

It took three weeks to dare to paint again, I do not like it very much 😟 But at least it is done. Marc, I hope you sleep better this time 😉

But now it's done and the next thing is to install the gun port lids. 

 

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Siggi

 

Recent build: HMS Tiger (1747)

Captains Barge ca. 1760, scratch build
HMS Dragon 74 gunner 1760, scratch build

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Hello and thank you for your nice comments and likes

 

The first port lids are in place, but not fast now. It's quiet a different sight now. Tomorrow I will install the rings, and then the other side the same procedure. 

 

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Siggi

 

Recent build: HMS Tiger (1747)

Captains Barge ca. 1760, scratch build
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Hello,

now the port lids at the port side have there rings. But the lids are nor fast installed, that will come after I have the channels ready.

 

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Siggi

 

Recent build: HMS Tiger (1747)

Captains Barge ca. 1760, scratch build
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Hello,

now the lids at the gun deck, at the star board side, are also ready 🙂 Now with more experience I also repaired some of the hooks for the rings at the inside of the lids at the port side. 

 

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The rings have a inner diameter of 1 mm and the wire is 0,4 mm thick and you may have seen at my last post that some hooks are much larger then these.

 

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Siggi

 

Recent build: HMS Tiger (1747)

Captains Barge ca. 1760, scratch build
HMS Dragon 74 gunner 1760, scratch build

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Hello,

now it is done, all port lids are at there place 😅, but not fast at all. 

 

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The next thing to do are the channels.

 

And here I have a question. In the 1719 establishment list is for the main channels a breath at the fore most end given and for the fore channels a breath at the after end. Fore the mizzen just a breath. But for all, so that the shrouds are clear of the gunnell (?)

 

From the pictures I have that could be, but I'm not really sure, at least for the fore channels. For the main channels I would say the picture show it, but not very much. Here the channels getting narrower at the end, because the stays going up more vertical and therefor clearer from the ships side. Why the fore channels should be broader at the end is not very logical for me. Here the last stays have nearly no ship sides. They are behind the castel at the ships waist.

 

But may be it's only kind of design?

 

 

 

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Siggi

 

Recent build: HMS Tiger (1747)

Captains Barge ca. 1760, scratch build
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12 hours ago, Siggi52 said:

the main channels a breath at the fore most end given and for the fore channels a breath at the after end. Fore the mizzen just a breath.

Thinking about it, it sort of makes sense.   I think that the channels are parallel to the midline.   The data points in the Establishments are the place where they are most narrow.   For the mizzen, the slope of the tops is a small rate of change.   That said, I would probably still make it parallel  - then the after end would be slightly wider.    They would not be parallelograms when viewed from above, they would be a section of a large triangle.  (Plane Geometry was in 1962 and I forget the name of a 4 side with all sides unequal.)

OR

if it is parallel with the side of the ship, only the one data point would be needed.  In this case they would be parallelograms.

 

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Hello and thank for your likes,

@ Jaager, thank you for your efforts. I don't think that your first thought is the solution. You would't see it at any model. Your second thought is may be the solution, but why did they give the wide only for the middle part of the ship.

 

I think that the given measurements are the widest part of the channels. If that is true also in 1745 is an other question. The mizzen channels are parallel to the ships side, there is given only a wide for the whole thing. 

 

I found a drawing in Lavery's Ship of the Line I, the Centurion at page 71-72

 

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That is what I thought was the meaning with design. To follow the lines of the ship. Ok, I would made the channels at the main mast to the aft end at least 4,8mm, so narrower then in the front. The measurements are from the drawing.

 

This are the fore and main channels from the Centurion. That model was build ca. 1745, 

 

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and her the same from the 60 gunner with no name

 

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I'm sorry, but I haven't better pictures. I did't know at that time that it would be important. But with a little good will you could see that the fore channels are to the front narrower and the same for the main channels to the back.

 

I made some channels to look how much space is from the shrouds to the ships side, and I think there is much space. Even when the shrouds come in a little more. Here the channels have the same wide in the front and back. So I think I could made them to the front/back a little narrower to get that arch and follow the ships lines.

 

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Siggi

 

Recent build: HMS Tiger (1747)

Captains Barge ca. 1760, scratch build
HMS Dragon 74 gunner 1760, scratch build

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Good morning,

before I start television yesterday evening, I had a look into the 2. volume of the Rogers Collection. And there it was, in 1719 the channels had a lower position and therefor an other form. Jaager you where right with your first though.

 

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In this case the fore channels where broader in front and the main channels at the aft end to get sure that the shrouds are clear with the ships side. The real Centurion was build that way, but the model was build in 1747 and the modellers build it in the way that was used then. The channels over the ports of the upper gun deck. 

 

The channels are now parallel to the ships side, or as the centurion shows a little narrower in the front or back. In this case I take the measurements from the establishment list only for the largest width of them.

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Siggi

 

Recent build: HMS Tiger (1747)

Captains Barge ca. 1760, scratch build
HMS Dragon 74 gunner 1760, scratch build

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That looks great.  What a fine molded detail on the outboard edge of those channels.  This is an often overlooked detail that really makes a model rise to the next level.  Well done.

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Chuck makes a good point Siggi. Adding that fine molded detail is difficult, especially around curved surfaces. I assume you are using a scraper.

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Hello and thank you for your comments and likes

 

Yes Chuck, I used a scraper for the mouldings, but also carving tools.

Today I installed the first channel, but not fast at all. That was more work as expected, but at least I got it. The next will go faster.

 

The shipwright spend a grog for that and I think the water is hot 😃

 

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Siggi

 

Recent build: HMS Tiger (1747)

Captains Barge ca. 1760, scratch build
HMS Dragon 74 gunner 1760, scratch build

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Hello,

now the fore channel of the star board side is also ready. So during the next days I will build the main channels. That may take a little time, because my garden needs now a lot of attention. Collecting all these leaves that fall down 😐

 

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Siggi

 

Recent build: HMS Tiger (1747)

Captains Barge ca. 1760, scratch build
HMS Dragon 74 gunner 1760, scratch build

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Hello,

now also the main channels are ready. Ok, the artist has some small repairs to paint 😉, but now he is ready

 

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Siggi

 

Recent build: HMS Tiger (1747)

Captains Barge ca. 1760, scratch build
HMS Dragon 74 gunner 1760, scratch build

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Yes, masterful work. 

 

 

 

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A true master you are Siggi.   :imNotWorthy:

Mark
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Good morning,

i'm overwhelmed about the nice comments, and thank you also for all the likes. 

The next things to do are the channels for the mizzen and the stools for the main mast stay's. 

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Siggi

 

Recent build: HMS Tiger (1747)

Captains Barge ca. 1760, scratch build
HMS Dragon 74 gunner 1760, scratch build

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Hello,

today the carpenters finished the mizzen channels. The painter started to paint the ocker outlining and tomorrow he will do the rest, so that the carpenters could install the channels. 

 

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Siggi

 

Recent build: HMS Tiger (1747)

Captains Barge ca. 1760, scratch build
HMS Dragon 74 gunner 1760, scratch build

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 Siggi, I wish my carpenters and painters were as talented as yours, they do beautiful work. 

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