themadchemist Posted April 23, 2013 Share #31 Posted April 23, 2013 Hello David Glad to see your on your first build. Great to have a log to call your own isn't it? I see you everywhere on MSW. On the bent keel. My old Swift kit was bent and either I didn't notice it or It bend after bulkhead attachment. Either way I righted it with one well placed block between 2 bulkheads. If the wetting and weighting/waiting doesnt work or the overbending like Augie suggested. My fix is in my log if you need a reference, of course the swift is much smaller.... but whatever the problem. It can be fixed. Welcome to the Machine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rameyke Posted April 23, 2013 Share #32 Posted April 23, 2013 Pulling up a chair and watching. The block idea that Kieth posted should work if the overbend does not. Just make sure you put the blocks on both sides of the bulkhead former and i would put them between all of the bulkheads. Chech out some of the Syren builds for pics. The blocks staightened the bend in my former. Also be sure the blocks fit tight but do not push the bulkheads out of square Quote Current Build: US Brig Syren by Model Shipways Previous Build: AL Swift Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadchemist Posted April 23, 2013 Share #33 Posted April 23, 2013 I like that part of the design of the Syren. Its really looks like a cool kit to build. I've been eyeballing its pdf instructions on ME. I was lucky to get by with one block without it causing an unsquaring of the bulkheads. Most of the bend must have been between those 2 bulkheads in my case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCIronfist Posted April 23, 2013 Author Share #34 Posted April 23, 2013 Welcome Keith and rameyke. I am not making any real progress yet and was just wondering if the deck is supposed to be as bowed as it is in the lower picture or should the deck be flat? Sorry for all the questions but I just want to get this right. Quote David First Build: Corsair Brigantine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadchemist Posted April 23, 2013 Share #35 Posted April 23, 2013 I know on my Swift there is no flat place on its deck. Its deck bows down toward the middle from the ends and then down from the center to the outer edge. Nice shape to flow the water off deck and out the scuppers. I'm not sure on the Corsair but imagine many decks are not flat. Check the blueprint, that should of come with the kit, it should have a side profile and you can hold the ship up to it and check angles. Thats how I set the rake on my masts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
augie Posted April 23, 2013 Share #36 Posted April 23, 2013 A little tough to tell from the photo what bow you refer to. As a general statement the deck usually has a gentle curve when viewed from the side. This curve will follow the sheer line of the hull so the low point is just about amidships. Usually the scuppers or drains were placed there to allow any water to drain from the low point. Also, most decks have a 'crown' at the center much like a highway. That high point down the centerline allows any water to drain off to the sides of the deck and then out those same scuppers. Quote Augie Current Build: US Frigate Confederacy - MS 1:64 Previous Builds : US Brig Syren (MS) - 2013 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Greek Tug Ulises (OcCre) - 2009 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Victory Cross Section (Corel) - 1988 Essex (MS) 1/8"- 1976 Cutty Sark (Revell 1:96) - 1956 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
augie Posted April 23, 2013 Share #37 Posted April 23, 2013 Hey Keith----- looks like we beat that horse to death Quote Augie Current Build: US Frigate Confederacy - MS 1:64 Previous Builds : US Brig Syren (MS) - 2013 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Greek Tug Ulises (OcCre) - 2009 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Victory Cross Section (Corel) - 1988 Essex (MS) 1/8"- 1976 Cutty Sark (Revell 1:96) - 1956 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadchemist Posted April 23, 2013 Share #38 Posted April 23, 2013 HA, posting at the same time, but I beat you I wonder how many times I've posted and 3 or 4 beat me to something. MSW requires you to be on your toes. Its amazing how receptive a community it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sjors Posted April 23, 2013 Share #39 Posted April 23, 2013 (edited) David, When you place the deck on the frames it get his own shape. Be sure you put enough weight on it, so it touch every frame! Better to many clamps then none. Edited April 23, 2013 by Sjors Quote Currend builds: USS Constitution by Sjors - Model Shipways - Scale 1:76 HMS Victory by Sjors - Jotika - Scale 1:72 On hold: VOC Reconnaisance yacht Duyfken by Sjors - Kolderstok - Scale 1:50 Finished builds: HMS Snake (1797) by Sjors - Caldercraft - Scale 1:64 Nuestra Señora del Pilar by Sjors & Anja - OcCre - Scale 1:64 H.M. Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 by Sjors - Vanguard Models - Scale 1:64 HMS Agamemnon by Sjors - Caldercraft / Jotika - 1:64 San Ildefonso - OcCre Le Mirage - Corel Smit Rotterdam (sea tug) - Billing Boats - 1:75 Sovereign of the seas - De Agostini Spirit of Mississippi - OcCre Santissima Trinidad - OcCre Corsair - OcCre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrieke Posted April 23, 2013 Share #40 Posted April 23, 2013 i used rubber bands to hold the deck to the bulkheads and keel . i use them alot as they can boldly hold things where no clamps have clamped before Quote Current builds : HMS Bounty, Constructo Pilar Next build : undecided On the Shelf : AL San Juan, Mamoli HMS Victory Builds on hold : Ochre Gorch Fock, Hachette/Amati Black Pearl Previous Builds Gallery : Virginia; King of Mississippi Previous Builds logs : AL King of Mississippi 1/80 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadchemist Posted April 23, 2013 Share #41 Posted April 23, 2013 Ive also found rubber band very useful. The big beefy one they strap around broccoli and asparagus at the store are great. I've also found that making a bunch of sizes of blocks and wedges out of balsa is another useful tool (balsa is great because it doesn't mark the wood as it is softer). You can use the block or wedge to direct the rubber bands force to just the spot needed. Sometimes the rigging of a shaping or gluing clamp/band/tape down set up makes me understand why sailors were great physists. They really understood lever and pulley mechanics whether they knew it or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrieke Posted April 23, 2013 Share #42 Posted April 23, 2013 there is nothing better then experience. if you know all the formulas and can rattle them off by heart but dont know what they mean in the real world you have learned nothing. Quote Current builds : HMS Bounty, Constructo Pilar Next build : undecided On the Shelf : AL San Juan, Mamoli HMS Victory Builds on hold : Ochre Gorch Fock, Hachette/Amati Black Pearl Previous Builds Gallery : Virginia; King of Mississippi Previous Builds logs : AL King of Mississippi 1/80 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anja Posted April 29, 2013 Share #43 Posted April 29, 2013 Hello David, Enjoy and have a wonderful day. Anja Quote Those we loved but lost are no longer where they were, but are always where we are. In the gallery: Albatros 1840 - Constructo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrieke Posted April 29, 2013 Share #44 Posted April 29, 2013 a happy birtday from me too David Quote Current builds : HMS Bounty, Constructo Pilar Next build : undecided On the Shelf : AL San Juan, Mamoli HMS Victory Builds on hold : Ochre Gorch Fock, Hachette/Amati Black Pearl Previous Builds Gallery : Virginia; King of Mississippi Previous Builds logs : AL King of Mississippi 1/80 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sjors Posted April 29, 2013 Share #45 Posted April 29, 2013 At the end of the day I'll be coming Happy Birthday David! Quote Currend builds: USS Constitution by Sjors - Model Shipways - Scale 1:76 HMS Victory by Sjors - Jotika - Scale 1:72 On hold: VOC Reconnaisance yacht Duyfken by Sjors - Kolderstok - Scale 1:50 Finished builds: HMS Snake (1797) by Sjors - Caldercraft - Scale 1:64 Nuestra Señora del Pilar by Sjors & Anja - OcCre - Scale 1:64 H.M. Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 by Sjors - Vanguard Models - Scale 1:64 HMS Agamemnon by Sjors - Caldercraft / Jotika - 1:64 San Ildefonso - OcCre Le Mirage - Corel Smit Rotterdam (sea tug) - Billing Boats - 1:75 Sovereign of the seas - De Agostini Spirit of Mississippi - OcCre Santissima Trinidad - OcCre Corsair - OcCre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCIronfist Posted April 29, 2013 Author Share #46 Posted April 29, 2013 Thank you Anja, Adrieke , and Sjors . The build will continue soon....... Quote David First Build: Corsair Brigantine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
augie Posted April 30, 2013 Share #47 Posted April 30, 2013 Will it go faster if I also wish you a HAPPY BIRTHDAY? Quote Augie Current Build: US Frigate Confederacy - MS 1:64 Previous Builds : US Brig Syren (MS) - 2013 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Greek Tug Ulises (OcCre) - 2009 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Victory Cross Section (Corel) - 1988 Essex (MS) 1/8"- 1976 Cutty Sark (Revell 1:96) - 1956 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCIronfist Posted April 30, 2013 Author Share #48 Posted April 30, 2013 Lol thanks Augie but will not speed things up just yet....... augie 1 Quote David First Build: Corsair Brigantine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCIronfist Posted May 4, 2013 Author Share #49 Posted May 4, 2013 The rumors of my demise have been greatly exaggerated.....lol just kidding I have had to take quite a bit of time off to care for my wife. So started up on a few things today and got the deck planked........maybe next update will not take so long lol.... Quote David First Build: Corsair Brigantine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCIronfist Posted May 4, 2013 Author Share #50 Posted May 4, 2013 Still have to sand it and cut the mast holes ........ Quote David First Build: Corsair Brigantine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrieke Posted May 5, 2013 Share #51 Posted May 5, 2013 very nice plankign David Quote Current builds : HMS Bounty, Constructo Pilar Next build : undecided On the Shelf : AL San Juan, Mamoli HMS Victory Builds on hold : Ochre Gorch Fock, Hachette/Amati Black Pearl Previous Builds Gallery : Virginia; King of Mississippi Previous Builds logs : AL King of Mississippi 1/80 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCIronfist Posted May 5, 2013 Author Share #52 Posted May 5, 2013 Thanks Adrieke... Hope I don't obersand lol Quote David First Build: Corsair Brigantine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCIronfist Posted May 10, 2013 Author Share #53 Posted May 10, 2013 So I take the time to lay the planks down nice and now I have to put pencil lines all between them??? Oh man I better ask my wife to that since my lines seem to get of coarse all the time.......... Pics in a few days Quote David First Build: Corsair Brigantine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCIronfist Posted May 10, 2013 Author Share #54 Posted May 10, 2013 Of coarse I sanded the planks and have a hard time seeing all the lines lol Quote David First Build: Corsair Brigantine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadchemist Posted May 10, 2013 Share #55 Posted May 10, 2013 The pencil is usually put on the plank edge prior to gluing I believe. I didn't bother because I striped the wood planking on my swift. There are many ways to simulate the caulking and treenails also. Its always best to test things though....or even better have someone else test them IIRC it was on the old MSW1 forum where someone used paper to simulate the caulk and blackened the paper with sharpie marker. During the finishing process the sharpie bled into the wood, the only certainty is uncertainty. but if it were easy everyone would be doing it. The important part is Have Fun! Nice job on the decking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCIronfist Posted May 11, 2013 Author Share #56 Posted May 11, 2013 Thanks Keith I do love the way you did your decking you are so creative. Quote David First Build: Corsair Brigantine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadchemist Posted May 12, 2013 Share #57 Posted May 12, 2013 I believe creativity is something we all have. Some people just have a hard time giving themselves the option or permission of going out on a limb. For me, I'm typically sitting on the limb I'm cutting. Tree trimming and flying lessons all in one. As you grow in this hobby, or any for that matter, you too will find your creative self, embrace it and allow your wildest imaginations to take control. Instructions are guidelines, For all you touch and all you see is all your life will ever be.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCIronfist Posted May 19, 2013 Author Share #58 Posted May 19, 2013 Ok I actually glued the bulkheads on and glued the deck on after I scribbled on my lines. I have all my clamps holding right now. Pictures will be a couple more days not that there is much to see. I am not sure why things seem tobe moving slowly but may just be my theme of this build lol. I was nervous to put the glue on but what's the worst that can happen? Trying to put CA glue to hold the deck on was a bit challenging as there is not much time to get all glue down and deck on:) Quote David First Build: Corsair Brigantine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shazmira Posted May 19, 2013 Share #59 Posted May 19, 2013 David, hope you don't mind if I pull up a chair as well, as another noob, I especially enjoy watching new folks get started because I know how frustrating some parts can be. I would hate for someone to get discouraged because every error is just another challenge to overcome. Looking great so far and waiting to see more pics of progress. DCIronfist 1 Quote Robbyn If you risk nothing, you risk everything! Current builds Syren (Model Shipways) version 2.0 AL San Francisco II Mordaunt (Euro Model) Completed Builds 18th Century Longboat designed by Chuck Passaro In the closet Battle Station Al Charles Morgan (1980s version) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCIronfist Posted May 19, 2013 Author Share #60 Posted May 19, 2013 Hey Robbyn welcome.......I am not sure i would call you a noob at this as you seem to be picking it up and running with it. In any case I am glad to have you here :) Shazmira 1 Quote David First Build: Corsair Brigantine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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