Yon Posted May 25, 2013 Author Share #151 Posted May 25, 2013 Hi David I didn't realise how much rigging was involved ! I think that will be a useful diagram. Thanks Yon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yon Posted June 2, 2013 Author Share #152 Posted June 2, 2013 Over the past week or so I've been working on the hull decoration. Following the advice of my fellow Victory builders, I temporarily pinned on the channels and then applied the brass rails, fenders, chesstrees and other hull decorations. I also attached the side entry port and steps. All fairly straight forward but quite time consuming. Now for the chainplates.... dafi 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shipyard sid Posted June 2, 2013 Share #153 Posted June 2, 2013 (edited) Hi yon Well done ,you are moving along nicely and all is looking spick and span. With the chainplates, I would not fit the channels to the ship to fit them. I would put them on a jig of some sort to make the linking up etc easier to see, if you follow. I am prob telling you the road you know but never mind. I made a simple jig, it's on my log, I am making masts, it is a good place to be. It might be a good idea to fit the gunport lids that are below the channels before you fit the channels on, makes it easier Hope all is well. DAVID Edited June 2, 2013 by Shipyard sid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yon Posted June 2, 2013 Author Share #154 Posted June 2, 2013 Hi David All is well here thanks. I am grateful for the advice - I see the jig you mean and will do the same as you. I look forward to seeing your masts ! All the best Yon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yon Posted June 21, 2013 Author Share #155 Posted June 21, 2013 Hi Lawrence Thank you for your comments. I have been looking at your log - looks like you are making great progress - I would be surprised if you are as much as a year behind me. I'm currently working on chainplates, gun barrels and gunport lids. Its all quite repetitive so I've not been posting pictures lately - its good fun though. I shall be following your build - keep up the good work ! All the best Yon canoe21 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shipyard sid Posted June 21, 2013 Share #156 Posted June 21, 2013 Hello yon So you are on with the chainplates and gun port lids, and as you say it is repetitive, but we still expect plenty of photos!!!!!!!! And you also may decide to go on another world tour of the Caribbean . So yes photos please. Regards DAVID Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yon Posted June 21, 2013 Author Share #157 Posted June 21, 2013 Hi David Good to hear from you. Here are a few photos. As you will see I tried to follow your method of making an angled cut to secure the strops. I think its working well so I am grateful to you for that idea. No more trips to the Caribbean are planned for me - in fact my working week has been cut from 3 to 2 days so I have even more build time. That being said I think the chainplates / gunport lids stage is not going to get finished until August at my current rate of progress - too much sport on TV this time of year is causing a distraction !! Cheers for now Yon dafi 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted June 21, 2013 Share #158 Posted June 21, 2013 looking very good - keep up the good work - i have 4 days ahead of me to do some work on mine Quote Its all part of Kev's journey, bit like going to the dark side, but with the lights on All the best Kevin SAY NO TO PIRACY. SUPPORT ORIGINAL IDEAS AND MANUFACTURERS. KEEP IT REAL! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ On the build table HMS Indefatigable 1794 by Kevin - Vanguard Models - 1:64 - Feb 2023 HMHS Britannic by Kevin SD 14 - Marcle Models - 1/70 - March 2022 - Bluebell - Flower Class - Revel - 1/72 U552 German U Boat - Trumpeter - 1/48 Amerigo Vespucci 1/84 - Panart- HMS Enterprise -CAF - 1/48 Finished St-Nectan-Mountfleet-models-steam-trawler-1/32 - Completed June 2020 HMS Victory - Caldercraft/Jotika - 1/72 - Finished Dorade renamed Dora by Kevin - Amati - 1/20 - Completed March 2021 Stage Coach 1848 - Artesania Latina - 1/10 -Finished Lady Eleanor by Kevin - FINISHED - Vanguard Models - 1/64 - Fifie fishing boat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yon Posted June 22, 2013 Author Share #159 Posted June 22, 2013 Thanks Kevin - Hope you manage to get lots done over the next 4 days Cheers Yon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sjors Posted June 22, 2013 Share #160 Posted June 22, 2013 That looks very good Yon. Still a few canon port lids to go? Quote Currend builds: USS Constitution by Sjors - Model Shipways - Scale 1:76 HMS Victory by Sjors - Jotika - Scale 1:72 On hold: VOC Reconnaisance yacht Duyfken by Sjors - Kolderstok - Scale 1:50 Finished builds: HMS Snake (1797) by Sjors - Caldercraft - Scale 1:64 Nuestra Señora del Pilar by Sjors & Anja - OcCre - Scale 1:64 H.M. Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 by Sjors - Vanguard Models - Scale 1:64 HMS Agamemnon by Sjors - Caldercraft / Jotika - 1:64 San Ildefonso - OcCre Le Mirage - Corel Smit Rotterdam (sea tug) - Billing Boats - 1:75 Sovereign of the seas - De Agostini Spirit of Mississippi - OcCre Santissima Trinidad - OcCre Corsair - OcCre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shipyard sid Posted June 22, 2013 Share #161 Posted June 22, 2013 Well done yon Yep its looking good, and you are enjoying the laborious lids, is the starboard side finished??? Regards DAVID Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yon Posted June 24, 2013 Author Share #162 Posted June 24, 2013 Hi Guys Unfortunately there are too many lids still to do and I won't be starting on the starboard side for aboout a month ! In fact, I'm not happy with some of the few I have done and they willl need to come off !! Cheers Yon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted June 24, 2013 Share #163 Posted June 24, 2013 hello yon - i had plans to put all the lower lids on in the shut position - but by the time the wales are placed on to follow the flow of the hull - i relaised just how much work the lids will incorporate - might just revise the position of these - lol - wait ans see the wales raise the lids way passed the recess, to do this i might as well remove al gunport linings - or make thinner lids - the jury is out on this one all the best Quote Its all part of Kev's journey, bit like going to the dark side, but with the lights on All the best Kevin SAY NO TO PIRACY. SUPPORT ORIGINAL IDEAS AND MANUFACTURERS. KEEP IT REAL! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ On the build table HMS Indefatigable 1794 by Kevin - Vanguard Models - 1:64 - Feb 2023 HMHS Britannic by Kevin SD 14 - Marcle Models - 1/70 - March 2022 - Bluebell - Flower Class - Revel - 1/72 U552 German U Boat - Trumpeter - 1/48 Amerigo Vespucci 1/84 - Panart- HMS Enterprise -CAF - 1/48 Finished St-Nectan-Mountfleet-models-steam-trawler-1/32 - Completed June 2020 HMS Victory - Caldercraft/Jotika - 1/72 - Finished Dorade renamed Dora by Kevin - Amati - 1/20 - Completed March 2021 Stage Coach 1848 - Artesania Latina - 1/10 -Finished Lady Eleanor by Kevin - FINISHED - Vanguard Models - 1/64 - Fifie fishing boat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dafi Posted June 24, 2013 Share #164 Posted June 24, 2013 Hello Yon, great work :-) Daniel Quote To victory and beyond! http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/76-hms-victory-by-dafi-to-victory-and-beyond/ See also our german forum for Sailing Ship Modeling and History: http://www.segelschiffsmodellbau.com/ Finest etch parts for HMS Victory 1:100 (Heller Kit) and other useful bits. http://dafinismus.de/index_en.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yon Posted June 24, 2013 Author Share #165 Posted June 24, 2013 Hi Kevin I think to put all the lower lids in the closed positon is a nice idea - presumably with the scuppers open. Its all rather tricky with various elements (lids / chainplates / hull decoration / wales) all competing for the same space ! Hi Daniel Many thanks Cheers Yon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shipyard sid Posted June 24, 2013 Share #166 Posted June 24, 2013 Hello yon It's everybody to there own, but I would keep all the lids open. What I would do is make up all the lids for one side, with the rigging through the two eyelets, and the hinges angled, and the fitting of them is very easy, it's just a couple of dots of CA on the hinge and the back edge of the lid. Yep I would jig up up for the hinges. It is also possible if you close the lids, the hinges will not sit correctly against the hull. But as I say it's everybody to there own, but that's my best bet. Regards DAVID Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yon Posted June 24, 2013 Author Share #167 Posted June 24, 2013 I've gone with the lids open - Though I think that a closed position might be a nice variation. I've found the most challenging aspect is keeping the rigging tight so I stiffen them up with CA first. I think its a case of working out which method suits the indivicual builder and then over time you get better at it so by the time you've finished you're really good at it ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted June 24, 2013 Share #168 Posted June 24, 2013 lol its the cannons i am trying to hide Quote Its all part of Kev's journey, bit like going to the dark side, but with the lights on All the best Kevin SAY NO TO PIRACY. SUPPORT ORIGINAL IDEAS AND MANUFACTURERS. KEEP IT REAL! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ On the build table HMS Indefatigable 1794 by Kevin - Vanguard Models - 1:64 - Feb 2023 HMHS Britannic by Kevin SD 14 - Marcle Models - 1/70 - March 2022 - Bluebell - Flower Class - Revel - 1/72 U552 German U Boat - Trumpeter - 1/48 Amerigo Vespucci 1/84 - Panart- HMS Enterprise -CAF - 1/48 Finished St-Nectan-Mountfleet-models-steam-trawler-1/32 - Completed June 2020 HMS Victory - Caldercraft/Jotika - 1/72 - Finished Dorade renamed Dora by Kevin - Amati - 1/20 - Completed March 2021 Stage Coach 1848 - Artesania Latina - 1/10 -Finished Lady Eleanor by Kevin - FINISHED - Vanguard Models - 1/64 - Fifie fishing boat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ocean clipper Posted June 24, 2013 Share #169 Posted June 24, 2013 Hi Yon my opinion for what its worth with lots of builds you might get away with the gun ports closed but this is the Victory famous for it being a 100 gun ship of the line to me no cannons its not the victory,so i say keep them open just take your time no rush. DEREK Kevin 1 Quote current build HMS Victory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yon Posted June 26, 2013 Author Share #170 Posted June 26, 2013 I thought I would expand on how I am rigging the gunport lids after a discussion with David (Shipyard sid) as I think it is a bit different but seems to work OK for me. The tricky part is ensuring that the thread is tight which means it must be attached at the right angle to the lid. First I attach the thread to the rings using Gil Middleton's needle method Then I stretch the thread ensuring that it is at the correct angle to the lid and apply CA to the thread I then trim the thread to size and use the lid to locate the holes in the hull 6mm above the lid Then I insert the thread and fix the lid with CA I'm sure other methods produce as good or better results but after experimenting I think this works the best for me. Yon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shipyard sid Posted June 26, 2013 Share #171 Posted June 26, 2013 Hello yon Without a shadow of doubt, your method is by far the best. Thread looks perfectly straight. Have you got a couple more to do??? Yep well done yon. DAVID Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yon Posted June 26, 2013 Author Share #172 Posted June 26, 2013 Hi David Thanks very much - only 58 left by my last count. My August deadline's looking a little optimistic now ! Cheers Yon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shipyard sid Posted June 26, 2013 Share #173 Posted June 26, 2013 Hello yon By August !!!!!! Come of it, it's less than two a day!!!!!!!! DAVID Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yon Posted June 26, 2013 Author Share #174 Posted June 26, 2013 Well, if you put it that way I have to agree you have a point although I am doing the channels and chainplates as I go along ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZyXuz Posted July 2, 2013 Share #175 Posted July 2, 2013 simple and effective method! thx for sharing it! Quote Visit My Blog! http://malaysiamodelship.blogspot.com/ Previous Build: HMS Race Horse (Sergal) Current Build: HMS Unicorn (Corel) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yon Posted July 2, 2013 Author Share #176 Posted July 2, 2013 Hi Guys Thanks for the comments - hopefully this approach will prove helpful. Cheers Yon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freewheelinguy Posted July 2, 2013 Share #177 Posted July 2, 2013 Yon, Just a suggestion and a heads up. I've read several posts here and other forums that say never use CA on thread in time will become brittle. I have no experience, but is enough warning for me not use CA. I think using diluted white glue will give you the proper stiffness for this application. Quote Happy modeling, Len Current build: HMS Bellerophon semi-scratch from plans of Victory Models HMS Vanguard Drydock: MS Constitution Completed builds: MS AVS, scratch built Syren, Victory models HMS Fly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yon Posted July 2, 2013 Author Share #178 Posted July 2, 2013 Thanks Len - I have heard that too. In this case the thread is not being used to hold up the lids - its just made to look as if it is, As there is no tension on the threads I think it will be ok. I wasn't able to make it work with PVA. It does change the appearance of the thread though (and not for the better) so I would agree that its not an ideal solution. Regards Yon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shipyard sid Posted July 2, 2013 Share #179 Posted July 2, 2013 Hello yon Yep I remember my father once started to join rigging cords at times to make things easy at times, I think he used copydex, but over time some of them would come apart. So I reckon Len is 100% correct, but as you say you are just stiffening it to keep it straight and not putting a joint in. DAVID Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freewheelinguy Posted July 2, 2013 Share #180 Posted July 2, 2013 Yon, Yes, I did the same. The end of the thread going through the hole in the hull doesn't need to be glued. The stiffness of the thread keeps it in. After I used diluted white glue, just used tweezers to push the open end through the opening in the hull. I didn't notice any discoloration with the white glue, but know you would with the CA. Hope this helps. This also allows to shape thread to look natural, as in foot ropes. Quote Happy modeling, Len Current build: HMS Bellerophon semi-scratch from plans of Victory Models HMS Vanguard Drydock: MS Constitution Completed builds: MS AVS, scratch built Syren, Victory models HMS Fly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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