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Initially I also cut these rigging slots but later considered I did not like their size and plugged them in and covered them up with finish planking. I will cut new ones later on being more careful with their size and orientation.

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I think it can be a good tip for as simple thing as laying deck planks. Current fashion is blackening the edges of planks to mimic calking around the real planks. I am following this trend though sometimes asking myself would a real ship look as this if looked at at the scale 1 to 90? Nevertheless I had lots of trouble blackening my 0.5 mm thick planks with a pencil. I had splits. I had breakages. Now  I do it differently.    I glue a first lane of a center piece deck planks. No edge blackening so far. After they are bonded and dry I circle all sides with pencil. I glue around new set of planks. I do not blacken them till they are bonded and dry. Then I circle them with a pencil again. And again and again and again....

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I did the same "brick " pattern with my deck planks, at 80mm as per the plans, then when i went to visit the real thing when on holiday i saw to my horror that the planks on the victory are laid differently.  oh well, it is only a model...

 

I dont know if they will be of any use to you, here are a few of the pics i took when we went for a visit to the ship in the dockyards at Portsmouth last year when we were on holiday, i took hundreds for reference and at the stage we are at on our builds there are a few that may come in handy for people.  if not then feel free to delete them.  any more you need, just ask .  I haven't looked that forward in the plans but i see there is an additional thickened area around the 2 holes in the beak for the rigging (see image 0987)  images 1010333, 1010334,1010335, 1010337 and 1010338 are of the model that was displayed on the ship in a glass caseimageproxy.php?img=&key=8f45093723bba175

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Some of your pics are uncommon and are worth saving. Thanks a lot.

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I took hundreds on the two visits we did, i put some on for you showing the cannon balls around the grating, the lower window sill at the stern, the holes in the beak for the rigging, a couple showing windows on the upper deck (window or cannon) , the windows and doors behind the steering wheel, cos i just love what you did on yours, my ugly mug!!,  some showing the deck planking style and of course some showing the hull planks both bow and stern.  Bin any you dont want mate, and if there are any particular ones you could use just ask, i took pics of most things, mainly rigging for me.

 

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spider999. These are all excellent pictures. Great close up details which I cannot find on internet. Is there a way I could get all 200 of them in highest resolution from you?

 

Yes. You got it right. Working on the hull is my best part of the hobby. When I get to rigging I tend to put it aside justifying this stunt by starting to work on the hull of other ship. My AL San Francisco still has quite a few sails and most of rigging not installed. I am telling myself - I will get to it when Victory hull is finished. Ha-ha. 

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YT, it would be a pleasure.  here goes:  i did two trips, the first when she had all her rigging intact, next trip they were midway through stripping it all off for overhauling.  obviously some i posted earlier will be duplicated, but at least you got them.  when this lot upload i will do the same for the rest.   you can either leave them on here for other folk to use or just save them to your pc and delete them from here, your choice.  i am happy to share them my friend.  the unpainted model in the case is on the ship herself and the painted one is in one of the buildings on the dockyard tour

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Mamoli drawings tell you that baseboard members at upper decks should be made of 2 mm x 2mm walnut strips they provide. Are you guys kidding? Why no one had ever stopped them since 1980 when these drawings were made? This would be totally disproportional in size to whole ship hull structure. I had to come up with much smaller section of a baseboard. I decided to split manually with X-acto knife 1 mm x 3mm profiles. After polishing the edges I was making them into something as 1 mm x 1.25 mm profiles. These ones I am starting gluing in as baseboards. See pics.

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Here are more of baseboards. So all baseboards are now complete. All deck floor planking is complete. Nothing is lacquered or painted yet. After lacquering and painting all this is going to look much more attractive. Just bear with me. Now I am thinking how to make main top decorative rail on top of boards (sure no one will figure out what I am talking about). These are 1.5 mm x 5 mm walnut strips and should be bent in 5 mm wide plain. This is going to be difficult. Besides I plan rounding the outside side of this strip to resemble actual ship. I will show this in pictures what I am coming up with.

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Liking those outer planks on the hull YT, i like the way you take them all the way down to the keel.  Are you going to fasten the copper sheathing below the waterline or just leave it planked??  not sure which i prefer!!!

 

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Finished

1) gratings around main mast. By the way Mamoli manual calls for them to be proud of decking. On real ship gratings are level with decking.

2) large  hatch in main deck - I edged it with some strips as it was ugly as it was.

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Making Mamoli's Victory is lots of fun as you have to constantly fix their design errors. When I was working on the board handrails I suddenly found out that the handrail joining stern inner wall on the deck is out off the wall outline. I scaled some good stern drawing from good book, printed it on paper, cut it out with scissors and attached it to my stern temporarily. Look what I got. Almost all outline just matches 99.9% but a very small curved top portion is off true. It is off just by amount that it has to be somehow fixed to have the handrails installed credibly. I still do not know how I am going to fix that.

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23 hours ago, Y.T. said:

Making Mamoli's Victory is lots of fun as you have to constantly fix their design errors. When I was working on the board handrails I suddenly found out that the handrail joining stern inner wall on the deck is out off the wall outline. I scaled some good stern drawing from good book, printed it on paper, cut it out with scissors and attached it to my stern temporarily. Look what I got. Almost all outline just matches 99.9% but a very small curved top portion is off true. It is off just by amount that it has to be somehow fixed to have the handrails installed credibly. I still do not know how I am going to fix that.

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YT my friend, I am sure a man of your talent could just cut out the section in blue on this edited version of your pic and make a new bit, that's what i would do..  i am sure it wouldn't detract too much from the ship if you doubled up the pale coloured planks to cover up the join

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Major breakthrough. Stern side windows. This issue was bothering me since beginning of build.  If going by Mamoli's, one will get ugly model of stern. I go by my own understanding how things should look like. I looked at thousands pictures of real ship. This helps to decide what you want to do. Here is what I decided doing. See pics. I disregard plans and parts Mamoli provides. Windows will be cut out in side stern structure based on what I see on actual ship pics. I will try glass made of natural mica as one our French friends advised me on this forum.

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That hull is looking nice and clean YT, congrats on getting her to look so good. It will be interesting to follow what you intend to do with the stern windows, I look forward to following your progress on that.

 

Mark

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Stern side structure. The solid wood piece under the sides of rear quarters. I made one up now for both sides. It was not yet adjusted with rear surface hull shape. I will adjust later. It will look same beautiful as joint lines with side quarter hull shapes. I guarantee. If not I will re-do till it does. I already reworked quite a few pieces to look good to my liking.

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Interesting. I bought  this little devise from Proxxson at Christmas time. Everyone here buys, so I followed the trend. Idea was using a drill stand to drill accurate holes at regular intervals. Also I was thinking machining some wood if required.  Here I am so far. I do not know what to use this thing for. Every time I try using this machine it appears I can do it better with my hands. Question to the forum. What is use for this kind of machinery in our hobby?

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On 4/18/2019 at 6:47 PM, Y.T. said:

Question to the forum. What is use for this kind of machinery in our hobby?

Well, some use it to sand down the hull after filling and before the 2nd layer of planking. It can be used (carefully) to craft wooden pieces for a build. There is a skill to it because the head does turn very fast and one slip could ruin everything. The best way to use it for accuracy is to mount it (as you have) and sand/work a little at a time. That being said there is no substitute for good old hands on work. It may take longer that way but it is a whole lot easier to control what you are doing and I find that by doing it by hand, the feeling of accomplishment upon completion is justified. 

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The windows had been cut out and ready to accept mica strips to mimic glazing. Notice that I had cut windows independently of Mamoli's design of horizontal ribs and vertical sticks. This much I had expected. The cut out cavities will receive mica strips. Rest of window design will follow Mamoli's instructions. 

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