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your planking is not the best.... but its also not the worst.Actually I think its not bad at all.  And still you can work it more after you finsh the planking with carefull sanding and the use of a good paste (we discussed that the other day).

 

The only thing I dont understand is how you end up with no more planks , when you say you havent broke any.... thats weird

 

So keep going and get yourself some more wood. Try and buy the same wood which I believe youll find at the site of Artesania Latina. 

 

stop been hard to your self Dilbert55 is right.

 

Christos

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Thank you both for the advice and kind words.  I will continue forward and finish this hull and sand and use filler.  Since its just basswood,  my local arts supply store carries bassword wood strips at the correct dimenions.  I will get some this weekend.  Unfortunetly, I have had to stay home from work this week because my 3 year old son got strep. Poor guy.  He is just starting to feel better thank goodness.

 

Thanks again!!

 

Jeff

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You are wellcome. I hope you are right and is bassewood. But most important:  your boy is soon able again  to enjoy the summer.

 

Christos

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Hi all,

 

I have some bad news.  The reason I have not been able to work on the ship is because my son got worse and was admitted to the hospital.  He was diagnosed with a rare chronic disease and the drs were worried he might have needed a liver transplant.

 

This is a parent's worst nightmare.  I have a new found respect for all those pediatric nurses and drs.  They were all SUPERIOR.

 

He just came home this week and we feel super lucky that he getting better. He did not need to get a liver transplant. 

 

I hope to get going soon on the ship.

 

Jeff

 

 

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Jeff am sorry to hear this... am a parent myself and know how hard it was for all of you.

Good thing that your boy is going well now. Thats the only important thing now.. that he recovers rapidly and fully and he grows up happily as he deserves to

 

 

Have patience... be strong and am sure everything will be fine again my friend.

 

Lots of positive thoughts for your family

christos

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Three days later. Is your son's condition still improving, Jeff? It's amazing how quickly an event like this can place things in their true order of importance.

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Thank you everyone for your thoughts and prayers about my son's condition. It truly warms my heart to know that everyone on this forum has been so generous and kind.  My son is doing a LOT better, but is still on steroids so we have a VERY active 4 year old! Haha!

 

Within the last month, I have completed a much smaller ship. The Model Shipways 18th Century Longboat.  Very small kit!  I enjoyed the build and the instructions, but I wasn't  to much of a fan for painting.  I painted it, but it made me realize I like natural wood color more than painting.

 

Now I comeback to Hermione.  I took a few days to see where I left off.

 

1) The aftercastle (part 34) was chipped and slightly broken. That is fixable.

2) The second deck planks were over sanded and some deep scratches on it from me using too low of grit of sandpaper.  That came with inexperience.  Also, there were a few places on the deck planks themselves that didn't fully cover the deck.

3) The hull planking.   I feel I did a pretty good job starting the planking. But as I went up from the keel of the ship ...

   a) I noticed that I rushed it.  Planks aren't sitting straight on the hull.

   b) The planks that meet the stem do not sit properly against it. To truly fix it, would require removing the planks and trying again.

   c) There are some planks that didn't bend all the way, so they stick up off the ship, the ends not glued to anything.  Again, would have to remove these planks too.

   d) My wife came by while I was writing this, and said, "Can I be honest?  This isn't your best wood working you have done".  And I had to be honest with myself and I did agree with her.

   e)  I also, somehow overused the wood planks that came with the kit and I don't have enough to finish the hull planking.  So no matter what I decide to do, I will have to order more wood.

 

What Bob Ross the painter used to say is true, "You do not make mistakes, you make happy accidents."  And we learn from our accidents.  In this case, it's true.  After reviewing the current state of the build, it made me realize where I didn't bevel the planks enough, where I over beveled, and how I didn't follow the curvature of the hull very well.  How I didn't take enough time bending and fitting the planks. etc etc etc.  I think this is a great example of a beginner's oopies to which to learn from.

 

Am I giving up? NO WAY! If anything, it makes me want to do it better.  The only way to do that, is to scrap the planking and start over.  I would like to re-do the deck planking too because the strips are thin (no issue with that), BUT I sanded them WAY too much. Getting the scratches out might thin the deck planks too much, so I would have to replace those deck planks.  I wouldn't be happy with myself if I felt I didn't do the best job I could on the ship.

 

I realized that yes, this ship is painted, but I would actually like to do a non-painted version.. I really like the natural wood look over the painted.  I know this is super subjective, but if the finished ship is going up in my house, I would like it to look the way I want.

 

I had some discussions with my wife about this ship and how I want to proceed (removing the planking and starting over, etc).  After some talking to her about what I want to do with the ship, she and I agreed that it would be of my best interest to start over.  But this time, slower and more carefully.  This isn't a decision that I take lightly.  I feel that I really goofed up, but in a good way.  I am keeping what I already have done to compare it to what I want it to be.  I see this as more of a good opportunity to help me understand how to properly plank a hull on a bigger ship model.

 

I will be posting updated pics as I begin.  Again, I am excited to buckle down and do the best I can on this ship!!!

 

Thanks for everyone's support!

 

Jeff

 

 

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Great news Jeff...

Happy for you that your son is going well. Hope and wish that soon he  shall be completely strong and healthy and all this difficult times for your family shall be over and remain only as a long gone fade out memory.

 

Nice that your back. So lets see now what you can do as 18th century ship builder.... he he. Waiting to see some professional Hermione building now from you.

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I think your planking started off really well. I think the main reasons you then started to struggle are more down to common faults in kit design.

 

Firstly, especially for a single planked hull, those bulkheads are far too far apart. There is no wonder that at the more difficult part of the hull the planks have started to twist and become hard to make even.

 

Secondly, the planks, on a real build the blanks might not only be tapered but be cut to shape from a much wider plank (think this is called 'spilling'). This means they would fit more naturally, we have to make do with the kit planks of all one parallel width. We then try to force to shape with the tendency for them to buckle.

 

At the stem, did you cut a rabbet? when you chose to fit the stem early it would of been advisable to do this to snug the end of the planks into.

 

I say all this but my planking has exactly the same faults. So don't knock yourself up. If it was double planked you wouldn't have the issues as you would sand it down, fill the dips and have a sound base for the second layer. Then I think you will be surprised how good you can plank.

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Thunder,  

 

You are exactly right! The bulkheads are few and far between.  It did make it difficult to plank.  There were MANY more bulkheads with the longboat I made which made it easier to plank.

 

Also, I did NOT make a rabbet.  That would have made it much easier to plank.  I recently just read some of Chuck's posts, and he mentioned that kits like this are near impossible to plank unless you make your own rabbet.  With my redo, I will be making a rabbet.  I need help to decide either to make one on the false keel itself,  or glue on a rabbet strip to the false keel like on other model shipways kits.  If I do the latter, I will have to make a new stem or modify it to fit. I haven't decided which I will do yet.

 

I agree with you that if it were double planked, I could just finish what I had, sand it down,  then plank a nice finishing layer.  But, this isnt the case.  I am honestly not beating myself up about my first attempt.  I am just learning from it and doing it again, but better!

 

I decided I don't want to paint it, and instead use natural wood. So, I will be replacing the basswood hull planks with boxwood, and maybe walnut.  If you guys have some good ideas on what wood would be great for hull planking, let me know!

 

Thanks!

 

Jeff

 

 

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So, I decided to try my hand at making a building board for the ship to help make sure I can place the frames correctly and square.

 

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Super simple, but just has 1 job.  The false keel isn't quite as straight as I would like, but I think this will help some while i place the frames, second deck, and the other supports.  I like how the kit splits the false keel into 2 pieces instead of one. This helps to have a better chance of getting a straight false keel.  I also made some squares to square off the frames when placing/gluing them.

 

Once the glue dries on the boarding build supports, I'll take a pic of the false keel on it.

 

Thanks! 

 

Jeff

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So I have been making slow but steady progress.  I have glued the frames and the inserts for the masts.  I have to say,  making and using this building board is very helpful!  I made some squares using some spare wood:

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These actually did help a lot to make sure the frames were square against the false keel.

 

I also fitted and glued the second deck ply pieces too. I then started to plank the deck with boxwood instead of the supplied deck planning wood.   20190606_232229.thumb.jpg.799de71912b672a0e41b3b66386a550c.jpg20190606_232212.thumb.jpg.d9003f31e85b97cf10f85cc940026b9e.jpg20190606_232356.thumb.jpg.35d833935a157284053a3671cb72f97d.jpg

I know the wood is thicker,  but I will adjust the gun ports add needed.  I actually have more time tomorrow to plank the deck,  so I hope to give am update tomorrow.

 

Thanks!

 

Jeff

 

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Hello all!!

 

Thanks for the likes!

 

Just a small update. Slow but steady, I am still planking the second deck.

 

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I think it's turning out pretty well for me!  I'm taking my time with each piece. Each piece is taking me about 5 to 10 min from cutting to gluing.   I haven't finished with drilling the nail holes.  I wanted to get a few of the full length rows done before drilling the middle section.  I will be filing the holes with dark colored filler.   I have not done any sanding yet,  and I won't until it's all placed.  I am going to use the 4 butt shift system for the plank nails. 

 

Thanks!

 

Jeff

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Slow progress because not much time to spare,  but I'm able to find time everyday. It takes me approximately 30 min per deck row,  so I am able to plank 2 rows per day.  I also have been drilling the nail holes too.  I haven't finished drilling the holes near the middle of the deck because I want to make the hatches and things to see where they will be placed.  I haven't done any sanding/ scraping yet.

 

When I am done, i will compare the first model's attempt with this one. 

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Thanks fur the likes!!

 

Jeff

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