cog Posted July 9, 2018 Author Share #121 Posted July 9, 2018 Thanks Steven, the part I'm most interested in is between focsle and the raised aft gun deck, which seems to be badly visible most/all of the time, or the images are small/tiny. These are actually not to bad! popeye the sailor, Piet, Old Collingwood and 2 others 5 Quote Carl "Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson Search and you might find a log ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cog Posted July 9, 2018 Author Share #122 Posted July 9, 2018 wasn't it the Tirpitz ...? Yes she had twice five tubes, ordered them already since the kit has only quadruple tubes. Told you it's a fun build ... I get to order additional parts, or make them myself I, actually, would like a larger picture please, my eyesight is fading - matter of getting older Canute, Old Collingwood, popeye the sailor and 2 others 5 Quote Carl "Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson Search and you might find a log ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cog Posted July 9, 2018 Author Share #123 Posted July 9, 2018 Steven, it is odd, for that first photograph is also shown as the one where she is paid off ... the length of those banners being discussed on the page in the book from March. Have to look that one up. It has something to do with the length of the banner depending on the number of years service or the number of crew members at a certain date.... tid bits ...make the life of a ship unique ... Old Collingwood, Piet, popeye the sailor and 1 other 4 Quote Carl "Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson Search and you might find a log ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cog Posted July 9, 2018 Author Share #124 Posted July 9, 2018 Lou, those German battle ships a.o. are to much a like Like all the rest of those foreign ships ENough pulling on leggs. I wonder how accurate information from that eara really is ... I'll just stick to building ... a lot safer! Piet, Jack12477, Canute and 3 others 6 Quote Carl "Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson Search and you might find a log ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louie da fly Posted July 10, 2018 Share #125 Posted July 10, 2018 (edited) I feel the same way, Lou. The ABDA force didn't achieve their aim to stop the Japanese invasion. But they were a scratch force flung together from widely disparate navies with no opportunity to train together or work out a common strategy and tactics - not to mention the language problem! They knew they were outgunned and outclassed, but answered the call with heroism that is hard to contemplate in today's world. Not forgetting the Jervis Bay. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Jervis_Bay Carl, try doing a google image search on HMS Glowworm - several of the photos that are fairly small in the above links can be found larger and with better detail by doing this. Steven PS: Just found another one! and links to higher definition photos - https://i.pinimg.com/originals/cb/1c/70/cb1c700a04541ee2356ef9efa0c5439a.jpg and https://i.pinimg.com/originals/48/84/69/4884695873e57a0ef98a10aaa8697b78.jpg . Edited July 10, 2018 by Louie da fly Jack12477, Piet, cog and 3 others 6 Quote It's not really a ship model unless you've bled on it. CURRENT BUILDS Venetian merchant Ship from Basilica of San Marco Golden City - Ballarat paddlewheeler FINISHED Australian couta boat RMS Titanic HMVS Cerberus 11th century Byzantine dromon Winchelsea Nef - Late 13th century Mediaeval ship Henry Grace a Dieu - Rebuild of 1:200 model I started in 1967 https://modelshipworld.com/topic/36379-mistydeefer-by-louie-da-fly-finished-restoration-decor-yacht/#comment-1040663 Mistydeefer - restoration of decor model yacht Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cog Posted July 10, 2018 Author Share #126 Posted July 10, 2018 Thanks Steven, I've been doing that for over two weeks. I have to admit, Facebook, and a number of other social sites are blocked on my systems which leaves out a number of results. Oddly enough I do not get any Russian results ... maybe I should get my VPN started in Russia, although I wonder if I get anything if I do not use the cyrilic alphabet ... So far the mid section stays somewhat of a mistery. I know from descriptions that she had two sets of five torpedo tubes, quad vicker machineguns on the centre ile (between the funnels), and a search light between the torpedo tubes. No radar, but a range finder and controller, a shorter rear raised gun platform, two paravanes on the rear deck, as well as depth charges, 4x 4.7" single guns, two tripod masts, tall versions, and that's pretty much it, thus I'm not far off to get things roling. We'll get there in the end, as long as Greg doesn't start pushing, and squealing Canute, Old Collingwood, popeye the sailor and 3 others 6 Quote Carl "Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson Search and you might find a log ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louie da fly Posted July 10, 2018 Share #127 Posted July 10, 2018 (edited) Carl, It looks like you replied while I was in the middle of editing my post above to add another photo and two links, which I hope are of help. Steven Edited July 10, 2018 by Louie da fly Jack12477, cog, Piet and 3 others 6 Quote It's not really a ship model unless you've bled on it. CURRENT BUILDS Venetian merchant Ship from Basilica of San Marco Golden City - Ballarat paddlewheeler FINISHED Australian couta boat RMS Titanic HMVS Cerberus 11th century Byzantine dromon Winchelsea Nef - Late 13th century Mediaeval ship Henry Grace a Dieu - Rebuild of 1:200 model I started in 1967 https://modelshipworld.com/topic/36379-mistydeefer-by-louie-da-fly-finished-restoration-decor-yacht/#comment-1040663 Mistydeefer - restoration of decor model yacht Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cog Posted July 10, 2018 Author Share #128 Posted July 10, 2018 the rafts I've seen before, they are tied down on the vickers ile between the funnels Since nearly all images I've seen are without the coloured stripes on nr x? gun, I'll keep it plain. Dinner time! lmagna, Canute, Jack12477 and 3 others 6 Quote Carl "Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson Search and you might find a log ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cog Posted July 11, 2018 Author Share #129 Posted July 11, 2018 (edited) Yesterday evening I've been working on the forward mast, of which the tripod and upper mast are done. In some pictures I saw a single stepped mast, however in the description of her the forward mast is refered to as a tripod. Question is at what point in time did they change and from what to what ... I got another book(let) on British WWII destroyers, but unfortunately just one picture, the one with all the smoke after she ramed the Hipper, which is hardly useful as reference material. I still need to add some rungs, and the yards to finish it. As far as I could work it out from the different pictures - took me long enough - the lower yard arm is approximately the width of the bridge, including it's wings, the top one 2/3 of the bottom one. Pictures when ready - maybe tonight if I get lucky, work is interfering. Couldn't get my head into painting so, I'm working on HMCS Huron's hull as well. Drilled out all 172 port holes, straightening the bow, and making the point where the bow transfers into the keel sharp angled, instead of the smooth curvature the manufacturer thought it to be. I'll have some putty to add to give the bow her smooth flowing finish back. Edited July 11, 2018 by cog popeye the sailor, Old Collingwood, lmagna and 3 others 6 Quote Carl "Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson Search and you might find a log ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louie da fly Posted July 11, 2018 Share #130 Posted July 11, 2018 Lou, to my chagrin I'd never heard of the Beaverford, which seems to me had even more to do with saving the convoy than the Jervis Bay, (noble though her sacrifice was). I looked Beaverford up and was astounded at her achievement - for an unarmoured merchant vessel to hold off a pocket battleship for 5 hours, with only a 3'' and a 4" gun. Amazing and incredibly courageous. And it's shameful they were never given official recognition. Steven Old Collingwood, popeye the sailor, Piet and 2 others 5 Quote It's not really a ship model unless you've bled on it. CURRENT BUILDS Venetian merchant Ship from Basilica of San Marco Golden City - Ballarat paddlewheeler FINISHED Australian couta boat RMS Titanic HMVS Cerberus 11th century Byzantine dromon Winchelsea Nef - Late 13th century Mediaeval ship Henry Grace a Dieu - Rebuild of 1:200 model I started in 1967 https://modelshipworld.com/topic/36379-mistydeefer-by-louie-da-fly-finished-restoration-decor-yacht/#comment-1040663 Mistydeefer - restoration of decor model yacht Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cog Posted July 11, 2018 Author Share #131 Posted July 11, 2018 1 hour ago, lmagna said: I think the battle between the Beaverford and the Hipper is unique even among unusual and hopeless engagements. I think any battle between two units, be that single or multiple, where an underdog takes up against a far superior opponent is unique. It is the fact that a limited group of men are willing to give their life, if need be, for their convictions, and do not waver from that fact because of mere superiority from the opponenet. It is like the biblical David & Goliath. Each encounter is unique and is not less so than other encounters. Canute, Piet, Jack12477 and 2 others 5 Quote Carl "Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson Search and you might find a log ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cog Posted July 11, 2018 Author Share #132 Posted July 11, 2018 (HMCS Huron) at the bottom I added ~ 7mm (~0.25") to the bow ... popeye the sailor, hexnut, lmagna and 5 others 8 Quote Carl "Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson Search and you might find a log ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cog Posted July 13, 2018 Author Share #133 Posted July 13, 2018 Todays harvest, a bit of CA-ing bling ... (replaced the IJN watertight doors with RN type) mtaylor, Piet, Old Collingwood and 6 others 9 Quote Carl "Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson Search and you might find a log ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Collingwood Posted July 13, 2018 Share #134 Posted July 13, 2018 28 minutes ago, cog said: Todays harvest, a bit of CA-ing bling ... (replaced the IJN watertight doors with RN type) Did you have to attach those tinyyyyy ladders up the mast? OC. RGL, Canute, lmagna and 4 others 7 Quote Current builds 28mm Battle of Waterloo attack on La Haye Saint Diorama. 1/700 HMS Hood Flyhawk with PE, Resin and Wood Decking. Completed works. Dragon 1/700 HMS Edinburgh type 42 batch 3 Destroyer plastic. HMS Warspite Academy 1/350 plastic kit and wem parts. HMS Trafalgar Airfix 1/350 submarine plastic. Black Pearl 1/72 Revell with pirate crew. Revell 1/48 Mosquito B IV Eduard 1/48 Spitfire IX ICM 1/48 Seafire Mk.III Special Conversion 1/48 Kinetic Sea Harrier FRS1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cog Posted July 13, 2018 Author Share #135 Posted July 13, 2018 Where ... nope, those are pipes mate, those funnel gards are worse ... a lot if you do not hav a steady hand Canute, popeye the sailor, John Allen and 3 others 6 Quote Carl "Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson Search and you might find a log ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Collingwood Posted July 13, 2018 Share #136 Posted July 13, 2018 29 minutes ago, cog said: Where ... nope, those are pipes mate, those funnel gards are worse ... a lot if you do not hav a steady hand On the masts themselves, they look like ladders, my warspite has them as part of the pontos pe parts. OC. Piet, mtaylor, lmagna and 2 others 5 Quote Current builds 28mm Battle of Waterloo attack on La Haye Saint Diorama. 1/700 HMS Hood Flyhawk with PE, Resin and Wood Decking. Completed works. Dragon 1/700 HMS Edinburgh type 42 batch 3 Destroyer plastic. HMS Warspite Academy 1/350 plastic kit and wem parts. HMS Trafalgar Airfix 1/350 submarine plastic. Black Pearl 1/72 Revell with pirate crew. Revell 1/48 Mosquito B IV Eduard 1/48 Spitfire IX ICM 1/48 Seafire Mk.III Special Conversion 1/48 Kinetic Sea Harrier FRS1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cog Posted July 13, 2018 Author Share #137 Posted July 13, 2018 on the tripod ... those are ladders, from a "spare" PE set of Musashi, if I'm not mistaken ... a lot more where that came from Piet, popeye the sailor, Canute and 3 others 6 Quote Carl "Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson Search and you might find a log ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Collingwood Posted July 13, 2018 Share #138 Posted July 13, 2018 22 minutes ago, cog said: on the tripod ... those are ladders, from a "spare" PE set of Musashi, if I'm not mistaken ... a lot more where that came from Looking good, I wouldn't have fancied climbing those ladders. OC. cog, mtaylor, Canute and 3 others 6 Quote Current builds 28mm Battle of Waterloo attack on La Haye Saint Diorama. 1/700 HMS Hood Flyhawk with PE, Resin and Wood Decking. Completed works. Dragon 1/700 HMS Edinburgh type 42 batch 3 Destroyer plastic. HMS Warspite Academy 1/350 plastic kit and wem parts. HMS Trafalgar Airfix 1/350 submarine plastic. Black Pearl 1/72 Revell with pirate crew. Revell 1/48 Mosquito B IV Eduard 1/48 Spitfire IX ICM 1/48 Seafire Mk.III Special Conversion 1/48 Kinetic Sea Harrier FRS1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cog Posted July 14, 2018 Author Share #139 Posted July 14, 2018 (edited) 6 hours ago, Old Collingwood said: Looking good, I wouldn't have fancied climbing those ladders. OC. Should anyone ... especially in a gale ... but those ladders are not so much different than the ratlines on a 74, I wouldn't fancy climbing those either, and to be honest, the forard mast will be a single "pipe" (the only way I have seen it depicted in photographs, so no tripod) ... and to help you up for maintenance, OC, with a ladder, which I for one certainly wouldn't climb! Edited July 14, 2018 by cog Jack12477, Piet, Canute and 4 others 7 Quote Carl "Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson Search and you might find a log ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cog Posted July 14, 2018 Author Share #140 Posted July 14, 2018 (edited) After today's toiling ... replacement of gun platform forard superstructure Oh, darn. Again ... no paintball for downunder ... just boaring scratch building, and updates, sorry RGL, you'll have to wait a bit longer ... so much to do, so little time to do it in. ... tomorrow ... work ... maybe not as usual, although it starts to feel like it ! Edited July 14, 2018 by cog Piet, lmagna, Canute and 6 others 9 Quote Carl "Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson Search and you might find a log ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cog Posted July 14, 2018 Author Share #141 Posted July 14, 2018 All the white is scratch build. The machine gun platform (what you call the tubs) is all scratch, as I couldn't make it from the existing one. I'll use the latter on the HMCS Huron. On the bridge there is still the radar to remove, and replace with the range finder and controller which I recieved last Thursday This evenings play result ... For Lou: Vicky and her tubbbbb Bow-morfosis (nearly there ... (rangefinder and controller copyright Shapeways) Piet, hexnut, mtaylor and 4 others 7 Quote Carl "Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson Search and you might find a log ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Collingwood Posted July 14, 2018 Share #142 Posted July 14, 2018 Sharp tidy work mate. OC. Canute, popeye the sailor, mtaylor and 1 other 4 Quote Current builds 28mm Battle of Waterloo attack on La Haye Saint Diorama. 1/700 HMS Hood Flyhawk with PE, Resin and Wood Decking. Completed works. Dragon 1/700 HMS Edinburgh type 42 batch 3 Destroyer plastic. HMS Warspite Academy 1/350 plastic kit and wem parts. HMS Trafalgar Airfix 1/350 submarine plastic. Black Pearl 1/72 Revell with pirate crew. Revell 1/48 Mosquito B IV Eduard 1/48 Spitfire IX ICM 1/48 Seafire Mk.III Special Conversion 1/48 Kinetic Sea Harrier FRS1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Collingwood Posted July 14, 2018 Share #143 Posted July 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, lmagna said: Impressive. At that scale I would have been tempted to just cut of all the stuff on the kit piece and altered it. If you were building a "real" ship like the New Jersey you would really know why they were called tubs: Those Navy guys really knew how to make Vietnam enjoyable! That is service recreation time in extreme makes me want to join up now. OC. John Allen, RGL, Piet and 4 others 7 Quote Current builds 28mm Battle of Waterloo attack on La Haye Saint Diorama. 1/700 HMS Hood Flyhawk with PE, Resin and Wood Decking. Completed works. Dragon 1/700 HMS Edinburgh type 42 batch 3 Destroyer plastic. HMS Warspite Academy 1/350 plastic kit and wem parts. HMS Trafalgar Airfix 1/350 submarine plastic. Black Pearl 1/72 Revell with pirate crew. Revell 1/48 Mosquito B IV Eduard 1/48 Spitfire IX ICM 1/48 Seafire Mk.III Special Conversion 1/48 Kinetic Sea Harrier FRS1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cog Posted July 14, 2018 Author Share #144 Posted July 14, 2018 Thanks for the likes and comments Girls on the right, boys on the left ... Nah, I'll pass OC. Dive in the tub with a bunch of blokes that's not the way my cookie crumbles. Lou, did they have a bar underneath the tent? Piet, popeye the sailor, Jack12477 and 3 others 6 Quote Carl "Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson Search and you might find a log ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Collingwood Posted July 14, 2018 Share #145 Posted July 14, 2018 32 minutes ago, cog said: Thanks for the likes and comments Girls on the right, boys on the left ... Nah, I'll pass OC. Dive in the tub with a bunch of blokes that's not the way my cookie crumbles. Lou, did they have a bar underneath the tent? Probably mixed mate new service rules allowing skinny dipping. OC. popeye the sailor, Canute, cog and 2 others 5 Quote Current builds 28mm Battle of Waterloo attack on La Haye Saint Diorama. 1/700 HMS Hood Flyhawk with PE, Resin and Wood Decking. Completed works. Dragon 1/700 HMS Edinburgh type 42 batch 3 Destroyer plastic. HMS Warspite Academy 1/350 plastic kit and wem parts. HMS Trafalgar Airfix 1/350 submarine plastic. Black Pearl 1/72 Revell with pirate crew. Revell 1/48 Mosquito B IV Eduard 1/48 Spitfire IX ICM 1/48 Seafire Mk.III Special Conversion 1/48 Kinetic Sea Harrier FRS1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canute Posted July 15, 2018 Share #146 Posted July 15, 2018 The USN is officially "dry". They gave up shipboard alcohol way back when. Strongest stuff they serve is coffee. That's the start of the reference to coffee as "joe", since the Secretary of the Navy when it took place was a gentleman by the name of Josephus Daniels. I suspect there have been a gazillion workarounds over the years. Old Collingwood, cog, popeye the sailor and 3 others 6 Quote Ken Started: MS Bounty Longboat, On Hold: Heinkel USS Choctaw paper Down the road: Shipyard HMC Alert 1/96 paper, Mamoli Constitution Cross, MS USN Picket Boat #1 Scratchbuild: Echo Cross Section Member Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cog Posted July 15, 2018 Author Share #147 Posted July 15, 2018 the bloke just sounds dry ... his name that is Piet, Canute, mtaylor and 3 others 6 Quote Carl "Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson Search and you might find a log ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canute Posted July 15, 2018 Share #148 Posted July 15, 2018 Carl, that was in an era of multiple marches for temperance. And the US did have that Constitutional Amendment (#18) banning alcohol in 1919. We woke up and repealed the 18th with the 21st in 1933. Prohibition of alcohol didn't sit well with most folks. Old Collingwood, mtaylor, Piet and 2 others 5 Quote Ken Started: MS Bounty Longboat, On Hold: Heinkel USS Choctaw paper Down the road: Shipyard HMC Alert 1/96 paper, Mamoli Constitution Cross, MS USN Picket Boat #1 Scratchbuild: Echo Cross Section Member Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted July 15, 2018 Share #149 Posted July 15, 2018 1 hour ago, Canute said: The USN is officially "dry". They gave up shipboard alcohol way back when. Strongest stuff they serve is coffee. That's the start of the reference to coffee as "joe", since the Secretary of the Navy when it took place was a gentleman by the name of Josephus Daniels. I suspect there have been a gazillion workarounds over the years. During or just before WWII. Eleanor Roosevelt pushed very hard for the ban and succeeded. Something about drunken sailors and image as I recall. Old Collingwood, Piet, popeye the sailor and 1 other 4 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cog Posted July 15, 2018 Author Share #150 Posted July 15, 2018 (edited) I'd rather have a drunken sailor than a corrupt politician or govmnt offical. Now lets stick to boats/ships Edited July 16, 2018 by cog popeye the sailor, Jack12477, Piet and 3 others 6 Quote Carl "Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson Search and you might find a log ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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