Kevin Kenny Posted October 27, 2018 Share #1 Posted October 27, 2018 robert952, BobG, bhermann and 7 others 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moab Posted July 19, 2019 Share #2 Posted July 19, 2019 I've watched the video Kevin posted......I think its excellent. My problem is I can't find silkspan. Does anyone know where I can get some or recommend a substitute?....Moab thibaultron and robert952 2 Quote Completed Builds: Virginia Armed Sloop...Model Shipways Ranger...Corel Louise Steam Launch...Constructo Hansa Kogge...Dusek Yankee Hero...BlueJacket Spray...BlueJacket 26’ Long Boat...Model Shipways Under Construction: Emma C. Berry...Model Shipways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Cleek Posted July 19, 2019 Share #3 Posted July 19, 2019 1 hour ago, Moab said: I've watched the video Kevin posted......I think its excellent. My problem is I can't find silkspan. Does anyone know where I can get some or recommend a substitute?....Moab Try hobby shops or online retailers that cater to model airplane builders. Silkspan is used to cover stick-built model airplanes. It's what they paint the dope onto. mtaylor, robert952 and thibaultron 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Kenny Posted July 19, 2019 Author Share #4 Posted July 19, 2019 Blue jacket, amazon have silk span for sale robert952, BobG, mtaylor and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Landlubber Mike Posted July 19, 2019 Share #5 Posted July 19, 2019 It might be sold under the name "Modelspan" too - my limited understanding is that modelspan and silkspan are pretty much the same thing. BobG, robert952, thibaultron and 1 other 4 Quote Mike Current Wooden builds: Amati/Victory Pegasus MS Charles W. Morgan Euromodel La Renommèe Plastic builds: SB2U-1 Vindicator 1/48 Five Star Yaeyama 1/700 Pit Road Asashio and Akashi 1/700 diorama Walrus 1/48 and Albatross 1/700 Special Hobby Buffalo 1/32 Eduard Sikorsky JRS-1 1/72 IJN Notoro 1/700 Akitsu Maru 1/700 Completed builds : Caldercraft Brig Badger Amati Hannah - Ship in Bottle Pit Road Hatsuzakura 1/700 Hasegawa Shimakaze 1:350 F4B-4 and P-6E 1/72 Accurate Miniatures F3F-1/F3F-2 1/48 Tamiya F4F-4 Wildcat built as FM-1 1/48 Special Hobby Buffalo 1/48 Citroen 2CV 1/24 - Airfix and Tamiya Entex Morgan 3-wheeler 1/16 Terminated build: HMS Lyme (based on Corel Unicorn) On the shelf: Euromodel Friedrich Wilhelm zu Pferde; Caldercraft Victory; too many plastic ship, plane and car kits Future potential scratch builds: HMS Lyme (from NMM plans); Le Gros Ventre (from Ancre monographs), Dutch ship from Ab Hoving book, HMS Sussex from McCardle book, Philadelphia gunboat (Smithsonian plans) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moab Posted July 19, 2019 Share #6 Posted July 19, 2019 Thanx guys. I'll check it out....Moab mtaylor and thibaultron 2 Quote Completed Builds: Virginia Armed Sloop...Model Shipways Ranger...Corel Louise Steam Launch...Constructo Hansa Kogge...Dusek Yankee Hero...BlueJacket Spray...BlueJacket 26’ Long Boat...Model Shipways Under Construction: Emma C. Berry...Model Shipways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moab Posted July 20, 2019 Share #7 Posted July 20, 2019 Got it!! Thanx again....Moab thibaultron, mtaylor and robert952 3 Quote Completed Builds: Virginia Armed Sloop...Model Shipways Ranger...Corel Louise Steam Launch...Constructo Hansa Kogge...Dusek Yankee Hero...BlueJacket Spray...BlueJacket 26’ Long Boat...Model Shipways Under Construction: Emma C. Berry...Model Shipways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyCity Frankie Posted July 20, 2019 Share #8 Posted July 20, 2019 I’ve recently purchased two different types of silkspan, from two different sources. I’d never seen the stuff in the flesh before and I thought it’d be different. The first batch I got was thin and too transparent and would tear as easily as tissue paper, I didn’t see the advantage over tissue paper since tissue has no grain and this stuff had distinctly visible fibers. The next version of the stuff was slightly thicker but disappointed too, the same issues with the other stuff just slightly less transparent. I had imagined something more like drafting velum or paper. If there is a spectrum between Kleenex on one end and writing paper on the other, this stuff was far too close to the Kleenex end of the scale for me. As I looked at the material in my hands I wished there was a version of it that was twice as thick, this stuff was too insubstantial for me. Ill likely try working with it to see if it can be stained and maybe strengthened by painting it with acrylic medium? I haven’t written it off yet but my initial impression was that I didn’t like it for being too flimsy. robert952, thibaultron and mtaylor 3 Quote Quote Niagara USS Constitution Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druxey Posted July 20, 2019 Share #9 Posted July 20, 2019 I stretch SilkSpan like watercolor paper and use dilute acrylic paint on it. It works for me. Bob Cleek, JerseyCity Frankie, Landlubber Mike and 9 others 12 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moab Posted July 20, 2019 Share #10 Posted July 20, 2019 I know there are at least three grades of ss from light to heavy (whatever Heavy means)....Moab robert952, mtaylor and thibaultron 3 Quote Completed Builds: Virginia Armed Sloop...Model Shipways Ranger...Corel Louise Steam Launch...Constructo Hansa Kogge...Dusek Yankee Hero...BlueJacket Spray...BlueJacket 26’ Long Boat...Model Shipways Under Construction: Emma C. Berry...Model Shipways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ESF Posted July 21, 2019 Share #11 Posted July 21, 2019 Bluejacket Shipcrafters have a short tutorial in their newsletter archives on using a three-layer silkspan set up for sails. I tried it for an awning and it worked well for me. https://myemail.constantcontact.com/News--tips--and-happenings-from-BlueJacket-Shipcrafters--Inc-.html?soid=1105166336677&aid=fVLCRI0uZ9o Steve Ian_Grant, BobG, grsjax and 5 others 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thibaultron Posted July 21, 2019 Share #12 Posted July 21, 2019 Thanks for the link! mtaylor and robert952 2 Quote Ron Thibault Shipjack Carrie Price from Pyro kit, with upgraded detailing and history. Going From A 2D Drawing To A 3D Printed Part Tutorial Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moab Posted July 22, 2019 Share #13 Posted July 22, 2019 Ditto on the link....Thanx....Moab thibaultron and robert952 2 Quote Completed Builds: Virginia Armed Sloop...Model Shipways Ranger...Corel Louise Steam Launch...Constructo Hansa Kogge...Dusek Yankee Hero...BlueJacket Spray...BlueJacket 26’ Long Boat...Model Shipways Under Construction: Emma C. Berry...Model Shipways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RussR Posted July 24, 2019 Share #14 Posted July 24, 2019 (edited) Here is a couple of helpful YouTube videos on silkspan sails. and Edited July 24, 2019 by RussR added video thibaultron, BobG, mtaylor and 8 others 11 Quote "Peace is not something you wish for; It's something you make, Something you do, Something you are, And something you give away" by Robert Fulghum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheppaz Posted October 10, 2021 Share #15 Posted October 10, 2021 On 7/20/2019 at 9:50 PM, druxey said: I stretch SilkSpan like watercolor paper and use dilute acrylic paint on it. It works for me. druxey....stunning sails, thanks for the image. I am new to silkspan/paper sails, and have been watching youtube videos before giving it a go. It all seems doable, except that no-one seems to apply bolt ropes. Can you please advise how you have attached them to the edge of the paper you use? Is this bond strong enough to allow the sail to be shaped (ie wetted and billowed)? And the eyelet holes are pencil around the perforation? Thanks, Matt BobG, robert952, thibaultron and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wefalck Posted October 11, 2021 Share #16 Posted October 11, 2021 Such sails need to be shaped (mostly) during the process, not afterwards. Glueing on the bolt-ropes with either white glue or acrylic gel gives (initially) a somewhat flexible joint, so that the sails can even be furled. If the bold-rope comes loose in places, it can be easily attached again. I have been making sails like this for 30+ years. druxey, BobG, thibaultron and 3 others 6 Quote wefalck panta rhei - Everything is in flux Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allanyed Posted October 11, 2021 Share #17 Posted October 11, 2021 Shep I am sure Druxey will reply, but in the meantime, I would invest $7 and buy his booklet on making sails. It has all the details on his process including adding the bolt ropes and seam lines. https://www.seawatchbooks.com/ItemDisplay.php?sku=115003 Allan thibaultron, druxey, Sheppaz and 3 others 6 Quote PLEASE take 30 SECONDS and sign up for the epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series. Click on http://trafalgar.tv There is no cost other than the 30 seconds of your time. THANK YOU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian B Posted October 11, 2021 Share #18 Posted October 11, 2021 I have been told silkspan is no longer made?, If so any suggestions for a UK alternative or a UK stockist with some left? Thanks--- the product looks so good from what I have seen on here.. mtaylor, thibaultron and robert952 3 Quote HMAV Bounty 'Billings' completed ⛵ HMS Cheerful - Syren-Chuck' completed Steam Pinnace 199 'Billings bashed' - completed ⚓ HMS Ledbury F30 --White Ensign -completed 😎 HMS Vanguard 'Victory models'-- completed Bismarck Amati 1/200 --underway 👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VTHokiEE Posted October 11, 2021 Share #19 Posted October 11, 2021 5 minutes ago, Ian B said: I have been told silkspan is no longer made? I’m not certain if this is accurate you can still get it from (who I believe is) the manufacturer at: https://sigmfg.com/products/sig-silkspan-tissue I don’t know that this would help in the UK though due to shipping costs. robert952, BobG, thibaultron and 1 other 4 Quote Current Build: HM Sloop Echo 1781 (First Scratch Build) Previous Builds: HM Cutter Alert, Sharpie Schooner, Chesapeake Bay Flattie, Half-Hull (NRG) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wefalck Posted October 11, 2021 Share #20 Posted October 11, 2021 We had this discussion at a different place already not too long ago: different, very light-weight silk papers are available from art-supply houses. Very fine silk-cloth is also available as printing screen, again through suppliers for the art-trades, printers, or through ebay in fact. thibaultron and mtaylor 2 Quote wefalck panta rhei - Everything is in flux Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thibaultron Posted October 11, 2021 Share #21 Posted October 11, 2021 Yes, SIG still makes silkspan. The getting it to the UK, though I don't know about. robert952 and mtaylor 2 Quote Ron Thibault Shipjack Carrie Price from Pyro kit, with upgraded detailing and history. Going From A 2D Drawing To A 3D Printed Part Tutorial Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian B Posted October 11, 2021 Share #22 Posted October 11, 2021 thanks everyone, a few avenues to check out i did look on eBay but nothing other than US-- which makes it very expensive to input.. next stop the Art supply shops robert952, thibaultron and mtaylor 3 Quote HMAV Bounty 'Billings' completed ⛵ HMS Cheerful - Syren-Chuck' completed Steam Pinnace 199 'Billings bashed' - completed ⚓ HMS Ledbury F30 --White Ensign -completed 😎 HMS Vanguard 'Victory models'-- completed Bismarck Amati 1/200 --underway 👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PRS Posted October 11, 2021 Share #23 Posted October 11, 2021 Brodak in the US has silkspan also. light and medium https://brodak.com/silkspan-lite-white-only-2-sheets.html mtaylor, robert952, thibaultron and 1 other 4 Quote Paul Current Build: HMS Winchelsea 1764 1:48 Completed Build: HM Cutter Cheerful-Syren Ship Models 1/48 Completed Build: Artesania Latina Bluenose II Completed Build : Lady Nelson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Worldway Posted October 12, 2021 Share #24 Posted October 12, 2021 I have had an order in with SIG for about a month now. When I placed the order they told me that their silkspan is on backorder and would be about 4 weeks before they had more and asked me if I wanted to cancel the order or keep it on backorder. I decided to keep it on backorder and am expecting it any day now. mtaylor, robert952, thibaultron and 1 other 4 Quote Derek If you want to build a ship, don't drum up the men to gather wood, divide the work and give orders. Instead, teach them to yearn for the vast and endless sea Antoine de Saint Exupery Current Builds Bluenose - Model Shipways - 1:64 Scale Fair American - Model Shipways - 1:48 Scale HMS Winchelsea 1764 - Group Build On Deck Guns of History Naval Smoothbore Deck Gun - 1:24 Scale Finished Builds Mare Nostrum - Artesania Latina - 1:35 Scale Guns of History Carronade - Model Shipways - 1:24 Scale Member of the Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allanyed Posted October 13, 2021 Share #25 Posted October 13, 2021 Derek, As you probably know paper of all kinds are in short supply. I have read claims it is due to worker shortages in the pulp mills in North America, and other claims that it is the lack of truck drivers so ships and warehouses are waiting to be unloaded. Allan mtaylor and thibaultron 2 Quote PLEASE take 30 SECONDS and sign up for the epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series. Click on http://trafalgar.tv There is no cost other than the 30 seconds of your time. THANK YOU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ah100m Posted October 13, 2021 Share #26 Posted October 13, 2021 I used this paper available from Amazon : https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001KZH21E/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&th=1 I colored it with diluted white glue tinted with acrylic paint. Strong wet, quite sturdy. Bolt ropes from thread-coated flora wire wire, also from Amazon. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B071SH3CQQ/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1 I'm pleased with the results. BobG, mtaylor, clogger and 6 others 7 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clogger Posted August 10, 2022 Share #27 Posted August 10, 2022 (edited) Ah100m Lovethe sails. Any chance of a description of your sail making technique? Edited August 10, 2022 by clogger robert952 and mtaylor 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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