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very nice plugs to work with. Look forward to the next phases

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after the preparation of the reduced shapes I started laying the ribbed, finished the ribbed I applied the planking, strips of cherry 2mm wide, for the "longboat"

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continuing the pose,

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up to finish the planking,

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what I insert now is a famous "longboat",
is in Rome in the square ??? (do you know which one ?)

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black Wolf

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Looking very good, Luponero. The windlass (winch) is a beautiful piece of work, though it didn't really need to be quite so complex -  the windlass of the Mary Rose from over 50 years later was a lot more basic; it had had no ribs or pawl (the mechanism to stop it winding backwards), so presumably the Santa Maria's windlass would have been just as simple - see post #732 in my own build at

Not that I claim to be an expert in these things - I was referred to the site that contains this information when I was looking for something else. But that having been said, that's a beautiful windlass (much more beautiful than mine!) , and the ship's boats are beautiful as well.

 

Steven 

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I thank friends for appreciation,

I saw the wart you made for the dromone, it's beautiful! Both as a piece and as a processing technique, sincere compliments,

I for the construction of the winch, in addition to having Adametez Construction Plans I saw the drawings shown in the monograph "The ships of Christopher Columbus" by the Shepherd, which is considered among the most complete monographs of the boats used by Colombo, the design of the SM. Fernandez-Duro (from 1892) to which some Adametz were inspired "remarkably", shows the longitudinal section in scale 1/100 of the SM, in which "half view" of the winch that I tried to reproduce is reported, this model is the one taken into consideration for the construction features of the "carrack", while the design of the SM attributed to Guillén in 1927 the "caravel" the drawing on the longitudinal plane of a very similar winch both as a form and with much smaller measurements (similar to those of Mary Rose, while in the THIRD floor of the building shown in the monograph, there are the construction plans
reproduced by Martinez-Hidalgo in 1964 (a carrack, also this) the winch is not horizontal as in the two previous drawings, but vertical

what to say? I am also an "expert" and as you can see the certainty of the construction details of a 1400/1500 ship is very uncertain, so I reproduced this (more conditioned by aesthetics than by logic), I tried to investigate also the situation concerning the ankles that he highlighted earlier from Jaager, but also on this particular I have not found certain material, only from the drawings of Fernadez-Duro there is an anklet next to the tree of the teacher that I tried to reproduce (???)
"hoping that the translator works well"

later I put the photos on the construction of the boats

for now I bring this long boat, which is much more famous than that of Columbus,

is "the Barcaccia Fountain" in Piazza Di Spagna in Rome

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I'm going to get my wife to work, otherwise she'll put me in irons ...

to the next

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The construction of the lances went on, after the construction of the planking, in cherry for the longboat and in walnut for the lance, I detached the sloops from the silhouettes without problems, the adhesive tape put over the shapes avoided possible sticking between these and the ribbed allowing a gap between the silhouette and the boat without problem,

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later I built other details that make up the lifeboats, the internal platforms and the seats

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the construction went ahead with the placement of the rowing benches
finished I treated the straws with straw oil

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and I placed them on the bridge with the supports as shown in the construction plans

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but as already seen from the drawings of Adametz, after the placing of the lifeboats on the bridge, the space on the same is reduced a great deal, in some images taken from paintings on medieval carracks the small boats are not seen on the bridge, in a painting of a "cocca"you see a towed boat, so I'm not sure to leave the boats on the bridge,detail taken from Polittico del Quaratesi - San Nicola placa fortunale- (Polyptych of the Quaratesi - San Nicola calm the storm)

so I am not sure to leave the boats on the bridge

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greetings

 

black wolf

 

 

 

 

 

 

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A most wonderful result on the ship's boats.

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Ringraziando gli amici per il loro apprezzamento e la visita nel wip, ho terminato l'aggiornamento con le ultime immagini della MS, come precedentemente mostrato, ho trattato le cannucce con olio color paglierino, anche se mancano ancora i dettagli, il colore paglierino l'olio consente di recuperare lo "stress" delle fibre del legno derivato dai vari processi precedenti conferendo alle essenze un aspetto più morbido e mielato, la noce assume una tonalità più scura (probabilmente la naturale reazione del tannino) la ciliegia è un altro la tonalità "miele" sicuramente, in entrambe le fibre esterne "si ammorbidiscono", se le parti vengono passate con un vecchio panno di lana, la superficie viene lucidata a raso, vale a dire l'effetto è molto bello e dà al legno un vista particolare, non ci sono problemi con l'incollaggio di altri pezzi di legno sulle superfici trattate,nel tempo, essendo un trattamento leggero perde le caratteristiche di lucidatura, l'unico difetto è che è più appropriato per il trattamento di mobili antichi che ha un modello navale se l'intento è quello di riprodursi naturalmente come avrebbe dovuto essere, sicuramente l'esposizione a gli agenti atmosferici e le stanze create in tempi "veloci" condizioni molto diverse da quelle ottenute con olio di paglia, tuttavia  l'occhio vuole la sua parte,

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I had prepared a treatment that serves in restoration to give the effect of aging to the wood giving the typical external saturation of the timber giving the typical gray color more or less blurred, typical on old wooden boats, certainly would have been more appropriate, but given that being vinegar based, so that it is fixed on the wood in a constant manner and strongly opacifies the nuances of the veins (and it is not possible to recover the colors once applied), I did not have the courage to apply it, perhaps wrongly, who knows ???

given that with the update between images and works they are "in line", I start with the work on the Santa Maria,

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Translation to English for the text at the top of Black Wolf's last post:

 

Thanking friends for their appreciation and visit in the wip, I finished updating with the latest images of the MS, as previously shown, I treated straws with straw-colored oil, even if the details are still missing, the straw color oil allows to recover the "stress" of the fibers of the wood derived from the various previous processes by giving essences a softer and honeyed appearance, the walnut takes on a darker shade (probably the natural reaction of the tannin) the cherry is another shade " honey "surely, in both the external fibers" they soften ", if the parts are passed with an old woolen cloth, the surface is polished to satin, that is to say the effect is very beautiful and gives the wood a particular view, there are no problems with the gluing of other pieces of wood on the treated surfaces, over time, being a light treatment loses the polishing characteristics, the only flaw is that it is more ppropriato for the treatment of antique furniture that has a naval model if the intent is to reproduce naturally as it should have been, certainly the exposure to atmospheric agents and the rooms created in "fast" times very different conditions from those obtained with straw oil, however the eye wants its part,

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Looking very good, and the wood colours are very attractive.

 

The sources you've used are all from before the Mary Rose was raised in 1971, so it's not surprising they show a later type of windlass. As far as I am aware no other windlass has been found from such an early time - unless among the new discoveries in the Black Sea. It would be very good to see some more.

 

Steven

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sorry but the translator does not always translate correctly, 

Posted Saturday at 12:24 PM

 I am also an "expert" and as you can see the certainty of the construction details of a 1400/1500 ship is very uncertain, so I reproduced this (more conditioned by aesthetics than by logic), I tried to investigate also the situation concerning the ankles that he highlighted earlier from Jaager, but also on this particular I have not found certain material, only from the drawings of Fernadez-Duro there is an anklet next to the tree of the teacher that I tried to reproduce (???)

correct form:

I am not an expert.......  there is an anklet near the mainmast            

 

thanks to Mtylor for the last post corrections

and for Steven, for valuable information

 

 

 

by

(when I retire, I take an English course)

luponero (black wolf) 😉

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What translator are you using?  I'm using Google's and while it's not perfect, it does seem to be getting better.

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23 hours ago, luponero said:

(when I retire, I take an English course)

luponero (black wolf

Funny! When we retire next year we are moving to our house in the Maremma and are really going to need to improve our Italian!

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google, but I often do some "cappellata"

On 6/11/2019 at 7:02 PM, Katoom said:

Funny! When we retire next year we are moving to our house in the Maremma and are really going to need to improve our Italian!

Maremma and Mugello are quite close ...
we can give each other mutual help

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Lately the days are "hot" the temperatures are African and working is not easy so the rhythms have dropped significantly ...

I finished setting up the lifeboats making the oarlocks and oars and I fixed the rudder,

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the bar and shovel that make up the rudder had been made for a long time I finally "remembered" to finish the work

and put it in its place

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ending it with white paint

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now I'm going to lie down in the "cellar" in the company of a bottle of beer,😏

 

 

to the next

 

 

black wolf

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3 hours ago, luponero said:

now I'm going to lie down in the "cellar" in the company of a bottle of beer,😏

excellent idea ;)
And nice work on the model.

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The model that I realize has on the aft part of the moldings, very probably it is a detail that usually was not realized in the caracche, but as previously pointed out there is no information deriving from reliable sources, while from the images of the Santa Maria model that came reproduced in 1892 by Fernandez-Duro, (of which I have reported images in previous posts) are visible, so I decided to do them.
The essence used is the boxwood, until a year ago it was a pleasant shrub to the sides of the road where I live, but due to a bacterium (which has made a massacre of this type of plant in Tuscany) it is dried for which the use partly for modeling (unfortunately)

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so I cut a piece of it and I made some tablets of a couple of mm thick 7/8 cm long and 3cm wide (I don't want to waste it, unfortunately, almost everything that was there was burned in early spring, but it is another story...)IMG_3579_1.thumb.JPG.ebd47ff8f30c8426c683202bd0786e87.JPG

as you can see it is not of a uniform color, probably because the part used is close to the final part of the trunk, however it is very hard
and carving it, also considering the "temperatures" of these days is quite challenging, the choice to carve it, instead of passing it with various cutters, is desired,
trying in this way to recreate the carving of the "medieval" period

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.... sweat and various ...
it was the beginning ....

 

to the next

black Wolf

 

 

 

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The carving works continued, using the classic manual tools,
knife,small iron file,sandpaper finally fine iron wool (steel wool ?)

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on the external part where the formwork ends there are two "twisted" columns
to achieve this I put a piece of rod between the tips and "hand-spouting" with the triangular file I opened the steps of the fillets widening later with the round file

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very slowly the work continues, ,, very slowly

black Wolf

 

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That is impressive manual control to make those spirals look so good! 

(and steel wool is absolutely the correct term)

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I thank you for the compliments and for the "information", Kevin

but the realization of the spirals is not so difficult as it seems, it is important to go slowly

 

ciao

 

 

 

Fabio

(black wolf)

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The work on the moldings continued, I did not post the photos to avoid repetitions, as always the forecasts for their realization were different compared to the time necessary for their realization, I thought I would do everything in one day, in reality it took me
three days "beautiful full" in the laboratory, which as a result of the "high" temperatures of the past few days had become an incredible "oven",
probably perhaps these  hallucinations  stimulated me in the realization of the Madonna with child, placed in the central part of the transom of the Santa Maria, for the realization I changed type of wood, instead of the boxwood I used the pine ( I don't know why, maybe the heat and hallucinations had given me my head !!!
obviously the measurements are minimal, and to make them more "three-dimensional" I have made the figures separately

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to rejoin them later

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as previously mentioned, the scarce historical information of the ship does not provide precise indications, probably, the most logical realization should be an icon instead of a figurehead, but aesthetically it seemed to me more pleasant and corresponding
to the construction plans

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black Wolf

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Beautiful carving work, Fabio - both the arches and columns and the Madonna and Child. I take my hat off to you, sir.

 

By the way, quite a few carracks are shown in contemporary pictures with a dragon-head as a figurehead. And one of these has even been found on a Scandinavian wreck of the time.

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However, the very great majority of contemporary pictures of carracks show no figurehead at all. So you don't really need to have one on your own model.

 

Steven

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I thank Steven for the beautiful images of the carracks and the precious historical support he reports in the build, and "i like" that friends have posted

4 hours ago, Louie da fly said:

quite a few carracks are shown in contemporary pictures with a dragon-head as a figurehead. And one of these has even been found on a Scandinavian wreck of the time.

 

I fully agree with what you reported above, I saw the "Carracca Venetian Carrack or Cocha 1/64 of woodrat", where this figurehead is made and a beautiful Venetian caracca with a very high level realization, and I am very pleased that from others Modelers from other countries there is such a profound knowledge of the ancient Venetian and Italian navy, lately I bought an old volume (which Steven would greatly appreciate), Le Navi di Nemi, by Paolo Ucelli which deals with the recovery of two Roman Imperial ships attributable to emperor Caligula (from 37-41 AD), sunk on the bottom of Lake Nemi, recovered in an archaeological undertaking conducted from 1928 to 1932. The recovery provided one of the most important contributions to the knowledge of Roman Roman technique, which I am looking at lately, neglecting the works on the Santa Maria, but the photographic documentation and the drawings of the construction plans as well as the historical narrative of the recovery is very close body especially next to the "air conditioner",

however I report the photos taken

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the boxwood moldings are very clear, and in my opinion they do not conform to the style of the caracca, so I aged them using the

bitumen of Judea, (as I will report later)

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 then the realization of the plaque in which the name of the ship is carved, the usual technique for the realization

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I glued the parts made and painted to the inside of the frame in which the blue effigy was placed, painting the hsalo with gold paint

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...I will have to revise the name of the Santa Maria, it does not seem to me that we read clearly

 

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Very nice work Fabio.
In the 15th and early 16th centuries, there were indeed few ships that had a figurehead.
And if they had one, then this was minimal and small.

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Wow! Just wow! Your woodworking skills are amazing, and I'm taking notes concerning details I still haven't worked out, like the rudder and capstain.

 

Your ship is amazing. The only thing that bothers me is that so many details are hidden by subsequent decks blocking the view of all that craftmanship.

 

Kudos!    --- PhilB

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Thanks friends, for the nice words,

you are right PhilB, unfortunately some details remain under the bridges of the ship, bilge pumps, bombards and are not nearly visible,

(if I can be useful for information let me know)

now I do a bit of vacation I go to the beach for 2 weeks (in Puglia, southern Italy)

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black wolf

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Holidays are over,
among the various situations I saw I was in the castle of Otranto, destroyed and rebuilt several times over time, the last reconstruction was carried out by the Aragons, certainly interesting and very beautiful but what allows me to insert it in the wip are the bombardelle inside the castle they are found in the sea very similar, as a shape, to those I tried to make in the Santa Maria, besides those there is an ancient cannon recovered in the stretch of sea in front of Otranto and a stock of a medieval anchor , in the first image besides the explanation on the right there are the stones with which both the bombarde and the bombardelle were loaded (with stones with smaller diameter)

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however the activity on the S.M. is taken up in the making of the anchors, using the boxwood, breaking down the structural parts that make up the anchor pasting afterwards

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then I colored the anchor making the log (the boxwood allows the realization of pieces with a good precision)

when the anchors were finished, I started preparing the cleats by making them in more sizes (by now I had started, I will keep them as an escort)

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the cleats are of two types those placed on the inner part of the bulwarks
(the lower ones)
and those related to maneuvers (those above)

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it took me one day to make the cleats (... if I bought them ....
but I like self building more)

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black wolf

 

 

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Several time has passed since the last build update, in part due to a "relaxation" of the construction phases
partly due to commitments on other stories, however, although at a slower rate the work on MS. have continued and restarted with the update,
the realization of the main top was the next step, to do it I built a simple tool for the realization of the crow's head shown in Adametz's drawings, it is a bolt on which the two diameters in plywood (base and upper part) of the main top are reported )

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on which I made the vertical planks that make up the main top, then simply unscrew them to remove them and continue making the parts that make up the main top

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and I returned the finishing piece to the lathe,

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for a certain period I did not have the availability of the camera that I normally use, so I took some pictures with my cell phone, the only "decent" one is the one I present now that shows the main top finished, resting on mainmast

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(the "decorative" motif shown on the coffo I took from the photos taken during the commemorative event for which the model designed by Duro was created, to which Adametz "was inspired" and of which I reported the images in previous posts)
After the coffa I started working on the bigots that are used to make the shrouds, I had a few of the "triangular" ones purchased some years ago and that I had not used before, considering the shape of the same I thought of using them (avoiding build them ... and maybe part of it was a mistake)
I limited myself only to finish them by making with the brass wire the part that is used to fix the bigots at the big table and the lands

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the following photo shows the ring (eyebolt) which is in the rear part of the big table and which will be welded to the upper part of the brass wire turned on the bigotta, thus fixing the bigotas firmly to the big table as shown in the images that follow,

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