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Schooner Germania (Nova) by KeithAug - Scale 1:36 - 1908 / 2011

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27 minutes ago, KeithAug said:

I can't find anyone who wants it - even for free.

 What size is it? (I ask out of idle curiosity). I've played on several 12's and a couple of 10's. I've seen pictures of 8's but never played on one and I've heard of 14's but I've never seen one. I couldn't see to the end of a 12 these days let alone a 14. 



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1 hour ago, KeithAug said:

Probably incompatible with modern house room sizes

In most cases but hey.......our house was built in 1869 so why don't you pack up that table AND your lathe and come on over. We'll find room, hell, for you and that lathe I'll build an addition! 

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1 hour ago, KeithAug said:

Keith - The playing surface is 8x4. It is quite a good table - solid one piece slate bed on a mahogany table. I really don't want to smash it up to dispose of it but no one wants them anymore. Probably incompatible with modern house room sizes.

It'd be a shame to have to smash it up but those things are heavy and you need a big room. If you can find someone to do it, the bed would make a whole bunch of really solid, heavy, and flat surfaces to build stuff on. I'd take one! The cutting and shipping costs might be a bit steep though.


I too totally failed to guess what the metalwork was for but it was nicely done (as is the ship). And as a bonus for me, has given me an idea for temporarily supporting my ship for the next stage of my build (although mine will be wood!).



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1 hour ago, wefalck said:

I take the table

Eberhard - The room size is the table dimensions plus 5 foot cue length all round - so room size is 14' x 18' this and the fact that it weighs about a ton is the reason no one wants it. My wife says If I get rid of it I can move the workshop in but I think this is a ruse.

33 minutes ago, Keith Black said:

pack up that table AND your lathe and come on over

Unfortunately Mr Trump has banned me from visiting for the foreseeable future. We were planning to visit my brother-in-law in Arizona - perhaps next year.


Thank you John, nice to hear form you.


Richard - I also have a load of granite worktops out back - recovered from the previous kitchen, you are welcome to them - but again Mr Trump probably wont allow.

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I am minded to think that we have one of the most appropriate pastimes to deal with current world events. I hope you are all keeping safe in these strange times.


I made less progress than expected over the past few days. Two oddly shaped brackets are positioned on the aft deck. I am really not sure what they are for or why they are the shape they are.


They were made from a scrap of aluminium - one bracket cut on each end.


The base is .3" square and the web is .175" high


Just forward of the main deck house are couple of boxes each with 3 vents.


As usual I started with a sketch, the overall size is 1.4" long by 1.0" wide and 0.8" high.


The boxes were built around oak block cores.


The cladding was made out of mahogany ripped down to the 3 required thicknesses of 0.1" 0.125" and 0.150".


The cladding process is fairly simple and not worthy of much explanation.


The top surface is planked with caulking between the planks. The planks are 0.1" wide by .060" thick.



The next post should be more interesting as I get onto more complicated deck houses. 


Keep safe.


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More delightful work, Keith.  Those pad eyes down aft look like they're made for some pretty heavy duty work.  One could almost take them for towing brackets except this is a yacht and there aren't any towing leads near the one you show.  Is there anything large and heavy in the vicinity that would need some serious lashing down?



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4 hours ago, KeithAug said:

Two oddly shaped brackets are positioned on the aft deck. I am really not sure what they are for or why they are the shape they are.

Agree with John, they are clearly meant to take some serious loads. Maybe see if anything aligns with the plate, could give a clue. If they seem to point outside the boat they might be to take some running rigging - maybe a block for the spinnaker brace...



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Due all respect to your stunning metal work, the photo in post 1005 would seem to indicate that the padeye (if I have the terminology correct) is more vertical aft and slopes at the forward facing edge.  An image search seems to show this is a towing padeye.  I have been lurking and following this build from your first post.  Your craftsmanship never ceases to amaze.

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2 hours ago, Innisfree said:

is more vertical aft and slopes at the forward facing edge.

Innisfree - thank you for your interest and comments. The bracket is actually symetrical but other than that your suggestion is as valid as any.


The fact that a couple of very hefty bollards are attached to the deck a couple of feet away makes its use as a towing feature somewhat unnecessary. You can see one of the bollards to the right of the bracket.

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Hi Keith, a thought from left field: those brackets look substantial, if there are another set forward, could these be lifting points for lifting the hull out of the water?  Unlikely noting the size of the hull but...





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Another possibility for the cleats:


They look to be several metres aft of where the main running backstays meet the deck. It's possibly connected with that tackle, & the loads would be sometimes be appropriately massive for that cleat. This is a racing yacht & these runners would be the main way of keeping the forestays from sagging away, many tons of load. Keeping that forestay up in strong breezes would be critical to windward performance, & history shows they weren't shy about racing in a breeze.


Possibly they are only used in heavy conditions, & it's interesting to see that in the first two photos of this log, that there's a second backstay tackle in one photo that doesn't seem to be in the other - so they did change the running rigging to suit.

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Mark, Pat, Mark. The brackets are only at the stern and I don't think they are substantial enough to lift the boat. They could have something to do with sail handling but the few shots of Germania under sail don't show them being used - see photo (remember you are looking at the bracket and don't get distracted by other deck features).


Thank you Richard.

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I have decided to concentrate on the deck structures between the main and foremast for the next phase of the build. I need to start by sorting out what they are going to look like - surprisingly I have options.


The next photo is an early photo of the Germania. You can tell the early photos by looking at the inside of the bulwark. As constructed this seems to have been painted an unattractive brown. 


During a later refit many detailed changes seem to have been made as can be seen in the next photo.


The most significant difference appears to be that the deckhouse tops have been changed from skylights to wood. I sort of think this may not be a permanent difference and that possibly the 2 versions are interchangeable to suit racing / cruising usage.


I think the skylight version is both more interesting and more challenging to build so I intend to go with  that.


In the later an additional deck locker appears and a number of other detailed changes can be found. I will comment on these as I continue the build.


Anyway getting on with the build I will start with the twin deck houses at position 1 - but first dinner is ready.



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Pat - Mark is correct - they don't align with any obvious deck hatches for machinery.


The rear pair of deck features house both skylights and vents. I don't have a good overall picture but across several photos I do have the necessary detail. The following photograph is the best overall shot.


I sketched them out at twice size - each square represents 0.1". Overall dimensions are 2.2" long, .950" wide and 0.8" high.


I also sketched out the skylight frame.


The core was once again made from oak but this time it was cut back so that the skylight were above a void rather than solid wood.


The blocks were clad as done on the previous deck features.



The skylight frames have a brass surround and it is on to this that the protective bars are mounted. I cut .075 wide strips from .031" brass sheet to make these surrounds.



I then drilled holes along the centre line with a .025" drill to take the protection bars. The hole spacing is .05" - 96 holes in total, without breaking the drill - must be a record!!!!!!


To make the frames accurately I took an old nylon kitchen cutting board and machined out a profile the same size as the frame. The frames timbers were cut .150" x .060" with a rebate .075" x .030".

The windows themselves were made from .030" perspex sheet. In the next photo 3 sides of the frame are position in the cut out and the window is in place. Nothing is glued as this is a trial fit.


The next shot is the completed frame with the window in place - glued at the corners with PVA. It is a bit fragile at this stage.


I then glued a .2" by .030" strip of wood down the centre to create 2 windows.


The next job is to fit the brass strips in the rebate.




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