mfrazier Posted February 10, 2020 Author Share #91 Posted February 10, 2020 With 16 more shroud lines to serve, my poor finger was getting tired turning the serving machine, not to mention, I was getting a blister on the side of my finger. Soooooo .... I chucked my drill on the end of the machine and now I can serve 16 inches of rope in 3 minutes instead of 25 minutes. 😆 john2013, GrandpaPhil, EricWilliamMarshall and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baker Posted February 10, 2020 Share #92 Posted February 10, 2020 Nice work on the rigging. Great carriages for the cannons Old Collingwood 1 Quote Regards, Patrick Finished : Soleil Royal Heller 1/100 Wasa Billing Boats Bounty Revell 1/110 plastic (semi scratch) Pelican / Golden Hind 1/45 scratch Current build : Mary Rose 1/50 scratch Gallery : Revell Bounty Pelican/Golden hind 1/45 scratch To do : Prins Willem Corel, Le Tonnant Corel, Yacht d'Oro Corel, Thermopylae Sergal Shore leave, non ship models build logs : ADGZ M35 funkwagen 1/72 Einhets Pkw. Kfz.2 and 4 1/72 Autoblinda AB40 1/72 122mm A-19 & 152mm ML-20 & 12.8cm Pak.44 {K8 1/2} 1/72 10.5cm Howitzer 16 on Mark. VI(e) Centurion Mk.1 conversion M29 Weasel 1/72 SAM6 1/72 T26 Finland T26 TN 1/72 Autoprotetto S37 1/72 Opel Blitz buses 1/72 Boxer and MAN trucks 1/72 Hetzer38(t) Starr 1/72 Si vis pacem, para bellum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfrazier Posted February 10, 2020 Author Share #93 Posted February 10, 2020 2 hours ago, Backer said: Nice work on the rigging. Great carriages for the cannons Thank you. I think it looks much better. Old Collingwood and Baker 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfrazier Posted February 12, 2020 Author Share #94 Posted February 12, 2020 The rigging is tough at this small scale. I am not happy with the rat lines, but is the best I could do with my tremors. I think I can live with it though. I read where the rat lines were supposed to be the tan color and the standing rigging ( shrouds) should be black. I think I would have liked the rat lines black also, but I ain't about to do them over. This one side took 3 hours. EricWilliamMarshall, GrandpaPhil, Dean77 and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Collingwood Posted February 12, 2020 Share #95 Posted February 12, 2020 Very nice work on the shrouds and rats. OC. Baker 1 Quote Current builds 28mm Battle of Waterloo attack on La Haye Saint Diorama. 1/700 HMS Hood Flyhawk with PE, Resin and Wood Decking. Completed works. Dragon 1/700 HMS Edinburgh type 42 batch 3 Destroyer plastic. HMS Warspite Academy 1/350 plastic kit and wem parts. HMS Trafalgar Airfix 1/350 submarine plastic. Black Pearl 1/72 Revell with pirate crew. Revell 1/48 Mosquito B IV Eduard 1/48 Spitfire IX ICM 1/48 Seafire Mk.III Special Conversion 1/48 Kinetic Sea Harrier FRS1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfrazier Posted February 13, 2020 Author Share #96 Posted February 13, 2020 On 2/11/2020 at 11:46 PM, Old Collingwood said: Very nice work on the shrouds and rats. OC. Thank you. I find the rat lines very difficult to get even and straight or tight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Collingwood Posted February 13, 2020 Share #97 Posted February 13, 2020 29 minutes ago, mfrazier said: Thank you. I find the rat lines very difficult to get even and straight or tight Yes indeed - its a balancing act between getting enough tension on the shrouds to begin with, then attaching the rats without them pulling the individual shrouds in together - I tend to do a simple knot at one end first with a dab of superglue (by a thin piece of wire dipped into the glue then dabbed on the knot) I then just loop the thread (ratline) around each shroud (and dab each with the glue) then when I get to the end I just loop it around again and dab that with glue leaving the excess thread till it has set before cutting it off. OC. Quote Current builds 28mm Battle of Waterloo attack on La Haye Saint Diorama. 1/700 HMS Hood Flyhawk with PE, Resin and Wood Decking. Completed works. Dragon 1/700 HMS Edinburgh type 42 batch 3 Destroyer plastic. HMS Warspite Academy 1/350 plastic kit and wem parts. HMS Trafalgar Airfix 1/350 submarine plastic. Black Pearl 1/72 Revell with pirate crew. Revell 1/48 Mosquito B IV Eduard 1/48 Spitfire IX ICM 1/48 Seafire Mk.III Special Conversion 1/48 Kinetic Sea Harrier FRS1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfrazier Posted February 14, 2020 Author Share #98 Posted February 14, 2020 Thanks O.C. I started out trying to tie the rat lines with the clove hitch, but found it very difficult on the small scale, so I finally started doing what you said, wrap around and a dad of glue. I found it much easier to control everything and at this small scale, I have a hard time seeing the difference. Old Collingwood 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfrazier Posted February 14, 2020 Author Share #99 Posted February 14, 2020 I can figure out most of the directions for the rigging. It seems if I stare at them long enough, it finally sinks in. But there are a few lines I just can't understand. On this photo it looks as if some of the lines start right in the middle of another line and that just doesn't make sense. EricWilliamMarshall 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Collingwood Posted February 14, 2020 Share #100 Posted February 14, 2020 Those are the Yard Arm ropes to push pull (with/against the wind) there should be on each side attached to the end of the yards, then with a block near the yard, and (what I did with my pearl) attached two blocks hung from the front edge of the lower tops, then I ran the ropes through the blocks down to a point on the deck either on the bulwark side hand rails or anywhere else convenient. This is repeated for all the Yards. OC. EricWilliamMarshall 1 Quote Current builds 28mm Battle of Waterloo attack on La Haye Saint Diorama. 1/700 HMS Hood Flyhawk with PE, Resin and Wood Decking. Completed works. Dragon 1/700 HMS Edinburgh type 42 batch 3 Destroyer plastic. HMS Warspite Academy 1/350 plastic kit and wem parts. HMS Trafalgar Airfix 1/350 submarine plastic. Black Pearl 1/72 Revell with pirate crew. Revell 1/48 Mosquito B IV Eduard 1/48 Spitfire IX ICM 1/48 Seafire Mk.III Special Conversion 1/48 Kinetic Sea Harrier FRS1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfrazier Posted February 14, 2020 Author Share #101 Posted February 14, 2020 I think I see. This is another view of them from a different perspective than the page showing the yard arms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfrazier Posted February 14, 2020 Author Share #102 Posted February 14, 2020 I have all the shrouds,rat lines, and mast stays installed. I learned a lot on this model so far and these lessons will help on my next one. EricWilliamMarshall and GrandpaPhil 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Collingwood Posted February 14, 2020 Share #103 Posted February 14, 2020 Looking very very nice. OC. Quote Current builds 28mm Battle of Waterloo attack on La Haye Saint Diorama. 1/700 HMS Hood Flyhawk with PE, Resin and Wood Decking. Completed works. Dragon 1/700 HMS Edinburgh type 42 batch 3 Destroyer plastic. HMS Warspite Academy 1/350 plastic kit and wem parts. HMS Trafalgar Airfix 1/350 submarine plastic. Black Pearl 1/72 Revell with pirate crew. Revell 1/48 Mosquito B IV Eduard 1/48 Spitfire IX ICM 1/48 Seafire Mk.III Special Conversion 1/48 Kinetic Sea Harrier FRS1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfrazier Posted February 14, 2020 Author Share #104 Posted February 14, 2020 1 minute ago, Old Collingwood said: Looking very very nice. OC. Thank you. Old Collingwood 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfrazier Posted February 15, 2020 Author Share #105 Posted February 15, 2020 It is only 8 degrees F outside and too cold to go out, so I am spending the day working on rigging. The instructions are so vague. I have to study for quite some time until I finally figure out where the lines go. Maybe someone of you can answer a question. I thought there would only be one line attached to a belaying pin. That is the case with this model except at the base of the main mast. Following the instructions there are four belaying pins but six line going to this location. That means two of the pins have two lines attached. Is this something that would be done? It isn't really a problem, just curious. No one in the world I live in would ever notice a mistake on this model. JayCub, Baker, EricWilliamMarshall and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Collingwood Posted February 15, 2020 Share #106 Posted February 15, 2020 Looking good - you got those yard positioning ropes sorted. OC. Quote Current builds 28mm Battle of Waterloo attack on La Haye Saint Diorama. 1/700 HMS Hood Flyhawk with PE, Resin and Wood Decking. Completed works. Dragon 1/700 HMS Edinburgh type 42 batch 3 Destroyer plastic. HMS Warspite Academy 1/350 plastic kit and wem parts. HMS Trafalgar Airfix 1/350 submarine plastic. Black Pearl 1/72 Revell with pirate crew. Revell 1/48 Mosquito B IV Eduard 1/48 Spitfire IX ICM 1/48 Seafire Mk.III Special Conversion 1/48 Kinetic Sea Harrier FRS1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfrazier Posted February 15, 2020 Author Share #107 Posted February 15, 2020 1 hour ago, Old Collingwood said: Looking good - you got those yard positioning ropes sorted. OC. Yeah, almost. I can't quite figure out the rigging on the lower yard arm on the fore mast. The instructions ( term used very loosely) show the rope going around the center of the rope ( I believe it is the main mast stay?)from the main mast kind of in a "V". Each side of this "V" goes to through a block at the end of the yard arm and down to a belaying pin. I don't understand what is supposed to secure this rope to the other rope without sliding. It just doesn't make sense. This photo illustrates what the instructions show. ( sorry it is blurry) GrandpaPhil, JayCub and EricWilliamMarshall 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Collingwood Posted February 15, 2020 Share #108 Posted February 15, 2020 They sometimes show them attached to the stays with a block, but I thought that was incorrect as the tension on the stay would have to be quite strong, but I guess as the boat tackle comes off the main stay with blocks (and thats to carry a heavy boat). So guess its possible. OC. Quote Current builds 28mm Battle of Waterloo attack on La Haye Saint Diorama. 1/700 HMS Hood Flyhawk with PE, Resin and Wood Decking. Completed works. Dragon 1/700 HMS Edinburgh type 42 batch 3 Destroyer plastic. HMS Warspite Academy 1/350 plastic kit and wem parts. HMS Trafalgar Airfix 1/350 submarine plastic. Black Pearl 1/72 Revell with pirate crew. Revell 1/48 Mosquito B IV Eduard 1/48 Spitfire IX ICM 1/48 Seafire Mk.III Special Conversion 1/48 Kinetic Sea Harrier FRS1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfrazier Posted February 16, 2020 Author Share #109 Posted February 16, 2020 3 hours ago, Old Collingwood said: They sometimes show them attached to the stays with a block, but I thought that was incorrect as the tension on the stay would have to be quite strong, but I guess as the boat tackle comes off the main stay with blocks (and thats to carry a heavy boat). So guess its possible. OC. That's what I thought. There should at least be a block on the stay. I think I am going to put one there. Since I have a lot of the rigging done, I find some of the remaining tie points for some of the lines do not make sense. There are more convenient points, so I am changing a few of them to be more " balanced" looking. I also am thinking about not putting the sails on. I haven't quite decided yet. I am not crazy about the sails provided. I think I would prefer the sails rolled up. Old Collingwood 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfrazier Posted February 16, 2020 Author Share #110 Posted February 16, 2020 I got a new toy today. It is a bead lathe I bought off ebay for 25 bucks. I'm going to take it to the machine shop and lengthen the bed so it will hold up to 14 inches long. I will use it for tapering masts and yards as well as turning other wood parts for a ship. To keep the chuck from damaging the wood, I have some short pieces of brass tubing of various sizes. I split them in half lengthwise and place the pieces around the end of a dowel where I chuck them. It holds without damage to the wood. I tried it on a 6 mm diameter dowel and it works excellent. I also got a disc sander attachment. Nice little machine for the money. Old Collingwood and EricWilliamMarshall 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfrazier Posted February 18, 2020 Author Share #111 Posted February 18, 2020 (edited) This build is wrapping up soon. I still have to rig the mizzen mast and the bow sprit. I learned a lot on this build and made some mistakes, but all in all, it went pretty good. The only real complaints I have on this kit is the quality of the rigging materials, meaning the blocks and rope. The rope was very "fuzzy" and the blocks needed a lot of work. I have chosen not to put the sails on. I don't know if it's the way they were made, but I put the main sail on and did not like the way it looked. They seemed too big. When I redo the rigging, I may put sails on rolled up. Edited February 19, 2020 by mfrazier Spelling Old Collingwood, GrandpaPhil, EricWilliamMarshall and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfrazier Posted February 19, 2020 Author Share #112 Posted February 19, 2020 I believe once this ship is finished, I will revisit it later and replace all the rigging with better materials and correct my mistakes. Most people won't notice the flaws or mistakes , but I do. My mate is anxious to put this ship on display in the living room. I will take a short break as I'm off to the Cleveland Clinic heart institute tomorrow ,while I await my next build which should arrive in a few weeks. It is the HMS Victory by Billings Boats, 1:75 scale. EricWilliamMarshall and GrandpaPhil 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Collingwood Posted February 19, 2020 Share #113 Posted February 19, 2020 3 minutes ago, mfrazier said: I believe once this ship is finished, I will revisit it later and replace all the rigging with better materials and correct my mistakes. Most people won't notice the flaws or mistakes , but I do. My mate is anxious to put this ship on display in the living room. I will take a short break as I'm off to the Cleveland Clinic heart institute tomorrow ,while I await my next build which should arrive in a few weeks. It is the HMS Victory by Billings Boats, 1:75 scale. All the best look after that heart of yours, I will look forward to your Vic build certainly a different build to the Hind, I would get some of the very good (none fraying) ropes I think Syren do some excellent stuff (Thats what I will do when I build another wood ship) OC. Quote Current builds 28mm Battle of Waterloo attack on La Haye Saint Diorama. 1/700 HMS Hood Flyhawk with PE, Resin and Wood Decking. Completed works. Dragon 1/700 HMS Edinburgh type 42 batch 3 Destroyer plastic. HMS Warspite Academy 1/350 plastic kit and wem parts. HMS Trafalgar Airfix 1/350 submarine plastic. Black Pearl 1/72 Revell with pirate crew. Revell 1/48 Mosquito B IV Eduard 1/48 Spitfire IX ICM 1/48 Seafire Mk.III Special Conversion 1/48 Kinetic Sea Harrier FRS1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfrazier Posted February 19, 2020 Author Share #114 Posted February 19, 2020 I have read that Syren is the place to get good rope. Once I get the kit, I intend to replace all the rope if it is not good quality. I have been researching some other sites that offer quality replacement parts for the Victory. Once I get the kit, I will replace anything that I feel is not as it should be whether I make it or buy it. I have the means to make most anything. I have been reading and bookmarking several of the other Victory builds on here for tips and ideas. There have been some great ones. EricWilliamMarshall and Old Collingwood 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherax Posted May 7, 2020 Share #115 Posted May 7, 2020 Hello and really a very good job. Sorry for my English... I'm building this ship. I am now trying to build Mastiles and Baupres, but find no detailed information about how to do it... I also do not understand the rope instructions... I see in photos a rope joining Baupres and the ship bow, but I do not see it on instructions... I also do not see detailed instructions about the stern "stick". The one under the Lantern... How did you do it? In the last, the horizontal stick joining the Baupres... I see you didn't build it. Is there any reason why? Cannot see instructions to join them in Occre instructions. Do you know any website where there are more detailed instructions? Thanks a lot and congratulations! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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