Building and rigging Cannon Help

[olopa67]

G`day everybody,

I have to start building my first ever cannon ( I m making the Revenge Kit from Amati) does anyone have any links to video and/or instruction on how to make them?

the actually assembly of the cannon itself seems pretty straightforward my biggest concern is the rigging part (I never rigged anything before so this will be my first attempt ) I need all the possible visual information on how to do the rigging.

if anybody can help me out I will be very grateful.

thank you for your time

Paolo 

[vossiewulf]

Well I'm probably one of the least knowledgeable people here, but as far as I know we don't know very much about the details of how cannon were mounted and rigged this early. As I recall, the Spanish were still mostly using land-type carriages, and they and the English both carried about 9 different types of guns on board so it's at least a complicated question. Maybe someone else who knows more can step up.

[olopa67]

7 minutes ago, vossiewulf said:

Well I'm probably one of the least knowledgeable people here, but as far as I know we don't know very much about the details of how cannon were mounted and rigged this early. As I recall, the Spanish were still mostly using land-type carriages, and they and the English both carried about 9 different types of guns on board so it's at least a complicated question. Maybe someone else who knows more can step up.

thank you vossiewulf, 

I had found few pictures of the cannon and how they have been rigged, so many different ways, probably due to my inexperience I should take the easiest way and start studying how to actually perform the rigging (kinds of knots, wrapping and coil  and how to make them).

any resources on this topic are also welcome 🙂

I know I choose a difficult kit for a beginner, I challenging my self hardly and perhaps I should have taken a more humble model. I m not giving up tough and I love this site full of people of knowledge and very keen to help.

thank you for time

 

[mtaylor]

When in doubt, do what a lot of do... use the search function to find other builds of the same kit.   Often different builders will have different ways of doing the same thing depending on their skills and experience.   It saves a lot of head scratching and missteps.

[vossiewulf]

Also, guns worked the same then as during the 18th century, and that means the gun crew had to be able to move the gun into and out of battery for firing and loading, they had to be able to control the azimuth and elevation of the gun, and they had to stop it from recoiling through the other side of the boat when fired. If you provide logical means to do those things for each gun, not even a museum could tell you that you're doing it wrong.

[Baker]

16th century cannonbarrels

http://nautarch.tamu.edu/Theses/pdf-files/Hoskins-MA2004.pdf

 

Batavia (early 17th century) rigging

https://www.modelships.de/Museums_and_replicas/Batavia/Photos_Batavia.htm

[Osmosis]

When I was building my battle station I found these pictures by fellow MSW member robdurant to be a great resource. Also Harold Hahn has some great resources out there for gun and carriage construction. Like Mark said a quick search should turn up a wealth of info.

 

Best regards

 

Edited February 27, 2019 by Osmosis

[jud]

21 hours ago, vossiewulf said:

Also, guns worked the same then as during the 18th century, and that means the gun crew had to be able to move the gun into and out of battery for firing and loading, they had to be able to control the azimuth and elevation of the gun, and they had to stop it from recoiling through the other side of the boat when fired. If you provide logical means to do those things for each gun, not even a museum could tell you that you're doing it wrong.

As vossiewulf said; If you provide a Logical Means to do those things, the rigging and tools to go with it, you cannot go very far wrong.

[Clark]

Hi Olapa 67,

there are some excellent drawings explaining the rigging of guns in

Historische Schiffsmodelle: Das Handbuch für Modellbauer

Barbara zu Wertheim und Wolfram zu Mondfeld

 

Do you have access to the book?

Clark

 

[olopa67]

thanks Clark, 

no i dont access to the book and i m not very familiar with german, just english and italian 😁

[vossiewulf]

6 hours ago, olopa67 said:

thanks Clark, 

no i dont access to the book and i m not very familiar with german, just english and italian 😁

Yes you do, it's sold as Historic Ship Models by zu Mondfeld in its English version. Check Amazon, it's a very useful resource.

[Clark]

I can really recommend the book. Parts of the book have been published separately:

Enzyklopädie des historischen Schiffsmodellbaus / Teil .......

von Barbara zu Wertheim und Wolfram zu Mondfeld |

 

However, the "Enzyklopädie" does not provide much more information than the whole book.

Clark

[Clark]

Attached picture might help (Mondfeld book)

Clark

Rigging guns.tif

[olopa67]

Thank you Clark very useful info added to my resources