cog Posted March 21, 2019 Share #91 Posted March 21, 2019 47 minutes ago, Louie da fly said: No worries, Carl. You can buy drill bits in both metric and imperial (inches) here in Oz. Steven I know, Steven, but most use metric nowadays ... at least so it seems ... feeling not so imperial anymore? 12 minutes ago, SHIPSCAT said: Hello Cog and Sam My drill bits are Metric. Jo. I knew it! Hence my question for metric Jo. Carl lmagna, popeye the sailor, mtaylor and 1 other 4 Quote Carl "Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson Search and you might find a log ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnothanswift Posted March 21, 2019 Share #92 Posted March 21, 2019 Allow me. 👇 https://www.engineersedge.com/drill_sizes.htm lmagna, SHIPSCAT, src and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BETAQDAVE Posted March 21, 2019 Share #93 Posted March 21, 2019 If you can get a square head screw driver and square head screws they would also be easier for you. The bit won't slip out as bad as with those Phillips (X) head screws and you don't have to bear down on it so hard to keep the bit engaged with the screw head. Thus you can spare some wear and tear on your wrist. Of course you could always buy an electric or rechargeable power drill with a square head bit, but no sense doing that unless you plan on having a lot of screws to drive. mtaylor, SHIPSCAT, popeye the sailor and 2 others 5 Quote Dave “You’ve just got to know your limitations” Dirty Harry Current Builds: Modified MS 1/8” scale Phantom, and modified plastic/wood hybrid of Aurora 1:87 scale whaling bark Wanderer. Past Builds: (Done & sold) 1/8” scale A.J. Fisher 2 mast schooner Challenge, 1/6” scale scratch built whaler Wanderer w/ plans & fittings from A.J. Fisher, and numerous plastic kits including 1/8” scale Revell U.S.S. Constitution (twice), Cutty Sark, and Mayflower. (Done & in dry dock) Modified 1/8” scale Revell U.S.S. Constitution w/ wooden deck and masting [too close encounter w/conc. floor in move] Hope to get to builds: MS 3/16” scale Pride of Baltimore II, MS 1/2” scale pinky schooner Glad Tidings, a scratch build 3/16” scale Phantom, and a scratch build 3/16" scale Denis Sullivan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHIPSCAT Posted March 21, 2019 Author Share #94 Posted March 21, 2019 27 minutes ago, johnothanswift said: Allow me. 👇 https://www.engineersedge.com/drill_sizes.htm Hello johnothanswift Thank you for the link. Jo. BETAQDAVE, popeye the sailor and mtaylor 3 Quote Current Build: IL Leudo - Mamoli - 1:34 FD10 Arnanes 701 Billings scale 1:50 "Good conversations are the ones you have with people you do not know" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHIPSCAT Posted March 21, 2019 Author Share #95 Posted March 21, 2019 Hi Dave Thanks for the tip. Jo. mtaylor, BETAQDAVE and popeye the sailor 3 Quote Current Build: IL Leudo - Mamoli - 1:34 FD10 Arnanes 701 Billings scale 1:50 "Good conversations are the ones you have with people you do not know" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
src Posted March 22, 2019 Share #96 Posted March 22, 2019 Yea, square head screws are much better if you can find them. Sam SHIPSCAT, popeye the sailor, BETAQDAVE and 1 other 4 Quote Current Build Constructo Enterprise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pontiachedmark Posted March 22, 2019 Share #97 Posted March 22, 2019 Gidday Jo. Have you resolved the issue with frame 16? If not I would be interested, if possible, to see the plans. Sometimes the instructions leave a lot to be desired and can create confusion and uncertainty. Fortunately you have found the right site for advice and support. Wishing you all the best. Mark. SHIPSCAT, BETAQDAVE, mtaylor and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHIPSCAT Posted March 22, 2019 Author Share #98 Posted March 22, 2019 36 minutes ago, pontiachedmark said: Have you resolved the issue with frame 16? Hello Mark No not yet but will try and scan the plan and post it tomorrow. Thank you for your concern. Jo. mtaylor, BETAQDAVE and popeye the sailor 3 Quote Current Build: IL Leudo - Mamoli - 1:34 FD10 Arnanes 701 Billings scale 1:50 "Good conversations are the ones you have with people you do not know" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHIPSCAT Posted March 22, 2019 Author Share #99 Posted March 22, 2019 1 hour ago, src said: square head screws Hello Sam I have never seen square headed screws before. Jo . popeye the sailor, mtaylor and BETAQDAVE 3 Quote Current Build: IL Leudo - Mamoli - 1:34 FD10 Arnanes 701 Billings scale 1:50 "Good conversations are the ones you have with people you do not know" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnothanswift Posted March 22, 2019 Share #100 Posted March 22, 2019 Bunnings is your friend again, I use these for almost everything as they are much easier to screw in and out. popeye the sailor, mtaylor, BETAQDAVE and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
src Posted March 22, 2019 Share #101 Posted March 22, 2019 Sorry Jo, square DRIVE screws. mtaylor, BETAQDAVE, SHIPSCAT and 1 other 4 Quote Current Build Constructo Enterprise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHIPSCAT Posted March 22, 2019 Author Share #102 Posted March 22, 2019 Hello both I will have a look next time I go to bunnings. Jo. BETAQDAVE, popeye the sailor and mtaylor 3 Quote Current Build: IL Leudo - Mamoli - 1:34 FD10 Arnanes 701 Billings scale 1:50 "Good conversations are the ones you have with people you do not know" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHIPSCAT Posted March 22, 2019 Author Share #103 Posted March 22, 2019 Hello Mark Plans as you asked for. Jo. Quote Current Build: IL Leudo - Mamoli - 1:34 FD10 Arnanes 701 Billings scale 1:50 "Good conversations are the ones you have with people you do not know" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cog Posted March 22, 2019 Share #104 Posted March 22, 2019 Ai, that ain't nice. You don't get a like for that. You want to solve this I presume ... What I would do: Get a piece of wood with the same thickness. Copy the outline to a piece of paper and adjust/correct the crooked part. Paste the drawing onto the wood, and cut it out with a "mini saw bow". Cut it just outside the line, which will make it slightly to big. When finished sand the surplus off carefully. Sand off the drawing and stick it on the keel. If you want an easier way out: Correct the shape of the blue rectangle on the left side. The gap at the bottom will get bigger, but we'll deal with that later. File or sand the top to the horizontal you need. Take some scrap pieces of wood (probably there is some in the box, else you need to quickly start to collect scrap wood )with straight sides. Glue those pieces to the sides of the blue rectangle (front and back), in such a way, the sides of the scrap wood follow the correct line of the vertical slot. Do it on both sides. Voila, quick an' dirty Who said you wouldn't get value for money ... CaptainSteve, mtaylor, popeye the sailor and 2 others 5 Quote Carl "Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson Search and you might find a log ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vossiewulf Posted March 22, 2019 Share #105 Posted March 22, 2019 Jolene, I would take about a 1" wide file to both of those problems, that size file's thickness is about the right size for the bulkhead slots also. You don't have to be super perfect on the slot, you can hold or clamp the bulkhead in the correct place and pin it with CA glue, then fill in any spaces with more CA. If you don't yet have some files, buy some, you need from about 1" wide down to fairly small in size, as for shapes, flat ones and round ones at least. No you don't have to answer me individually, build your ship. popeye the sailor, src, SHIPSCAT and 1 other 4 Quote Building HM Cutter Lady Nelson 1:64 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulises Victoria Posted March 22, 2019 Share #106 Posted March 22, 2019 Hey Jo! Let me talk to you about the "learning process" in this hobby. If you check build logs, (which I recommend you take some time to do) you will see that almost all of them have something in common: mistakes. And those mistakes come in two forms: mistakes WE make, and mistakes in the kit, be it in the physical pieces or in the drawings/instructions. No kit is perfect. The important thing is to learn how to cope with mistakes. If you study your plans and instructions ahead, you may detect mistakes in the plans or instructions and try to go around them. If you make a mistake because you didn't understand something, or just didn't pay enough attention to the instructions, by all means, go back and fix it. I can't tell you how many times I have done this, and the sense of satisfaction and accomplishment that you get! People often thinks that Patience is the foremost skill you need in this hobby, I would say it is Perseverance. Keep on it! popeye the sailor, CaptainSteve, src and 5 others 8 Quote There aren't but two options: do it FAST, or do it RIGHT. Current Project Build Log: Soleil Royal in 1/72. Kit by Artesania Latina. Last finished projects: Royal Ship Vasa 1628; French Vessel Royal Louis 1780. 1/90 Scale by Mamoli. 120 Cannons Future projects already in my stash: Panart: San Felipe 1/75; OcCre: Santísima Trinidad 1/90; Wish List: 1/64 Amati Victory, HMS Enterprise in 1/48 by CAF models. So much to build, so little time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
src Posted March 22, 2019 Share #107 Posted March 22, 2019 Jo, Ulises is so right. There is a reason I subtitled my build “Lessons in Adapt Improvise and Overcome.” Its what I have been doing since day one. Sam SHIPSCAT, popeye the sailor, mtaylor and 1 other 4 Quote Current Build Constructo Enterprise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHIPSCAT Posted March 23, 2019 Author Share #108 Posted March 23, 2019 Hello Part 16. You can see how far it is out of line, the centre wooden strip is in place as per the instructions. The red line is how it should be. I am not sure if the frame should be on a slant or not as the plans don't indicate it if it should be or not. I think the best thing to do is file the top down to the red line and file the slot to the blue line like some of you have said. Jo. popeye the sailor and mtaylor 2 Quote Current Build: IL Leudo - Mamoli - 1:34 FD10 Arnanes 701 Billings scale 1:50 "Good conversations are the ones you have with people you do not know" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pontiachedmark Posted March 23, 2019 Share #109 Posted March 23, 2019 Gidday Jo. It is a pity that you find yourself in this situation on your first build. However together we, me and the other members, shall overcome the problem. I agree with the above posts suggesting filing the keel and maybe packing the frame slot in the keel to straighten everything up. I hope I haven't confused the issue. Wishing you all the best in your build. Mark. mtaylor, SHIPSCAT and popeye the sailor 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted March 23, 2019 Share #110 Posted March 23, 2019 It's a pity that there's no logs anywhere I can find, here or anywhere else. So... Can the entire keel with the stern piece be laid on the plans or are the plans a different size? It could be that (if you can) remove the stern bit from the rest of it and adjust it then reinstall. To my eye, the aft end should have aslight tip forward while yours is canted back a bit. My concern here is that if you just correct it like you're planning, something else will reach out and bite you since the shape isn't right. If the slot is vertical, than the last bulkhead/frame will also be vertical. Then again, I also believe in close counts and you are darn close. CaptainSteve, popeye the sailor, src and 1 other 4 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marktiedens Posted March 23, 2019 Share #111 Posted March 23, 2019 mtaylor has the right idea to compare the shape to the plan sheet. You have discovered the biggest problem with older Mamoli kits that are not laser cut - poorly cut parts. You may also want to compare the shape of the bulkheads to the plans before glueing them in place - you will probably find some of them a bit off. Good luck! Mark popeye the sailor, mtaylor and SHIPSCAT 3 Quote current build - HMS Vanguard - Model Shipways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHIPSCAT Posted March 23, 2019 Author Share #112 Posted March 23, 2019 13 hours ago, mtaylor said: Can the entire keel with the stern piece be laid on the plans Hi Mark. Yes I can take the frames out and lay it on the plans. But I will have to take the part 16 off and that is glued on with Titebond. Jo. popeye the sailor 1 Quote Current Build: IL Leudo - Mamoli - 1:34 FD10 Arnanes 701 Billings scale 1:50 "Good conversations are the ones you have with people you do not know" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted March 23, 2019 Share #113 Posted March 23, 2019 For ungluing it, try isopropyl alcohol. It may take soaking a small cloth with it and wrapping the whole thing with plastic wrap to let it penetrate. I've not used Titebond but can only report what others have done. cog and pontiachedmark 2 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHIPSCAT Posted March 24, 2019 Author Share #114 Posted March 24, 2019 3 hours ago, mtaylor said: isopropyl alcohol Hi Mark Thank you I will go to Bunnings and try to get some. Jo. mtaylor, popeye the sailor and cog 3 Quote Current Build: IL Leudo - Mamoli - 1:34 FD10 Arnanes 701 Billings scale 1:50 "Good conversations are the ones you have with people you do not know" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cog Posted March 24, 2019 Share #115 Posted March 24, 2019 4 hours ago, SHIPSCAT said: Hi Mark Thank you I will go to Bunnings and try to get some. Jo. that's the spirit ... popeye the sailor, lmagna, SHIPSCAT and 2 others 5 Quote Carl "Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson Search and you might find a log ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ondras71 Posted March 24, 2019 Share #116 Posted March 24, 2019 Greetings SHIPSCAT. Here's another observation about building this kit. Problems started with skeleton .. I keep my fingers crossed for the building .. Maybe this information will help you.. https://www.modelforum.cz/viewtopic.php?f=177&t=100656 O. lmagna, popeye the sailor, mtaylor and 1 other 4 Quote Ondras. Done : President - https://www.modelforum.cz/viewtopic.php?f=177&t=90230 Under construction : Roter Lowe - https://www.modelforum.cz/viewtopic.php?f=177&t=114576 Member of the organizing club - https://wchs-c-2023.klom-admiral.cz/en Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
src Posted March 24, 2019 Share #117 Posted March 24, 2019 Jo, Here in the States you can get rubbing alcohol (isopropyl) at drug stores. Not sure what they are called in your part of the world wherever that may be. Its where we get proscriptions filled and first aid items here. It does work with the titebond 1 and 2, not so sure about Titebond 3 though. Oh Carl.... you are SUCH a puny man!!!😅 Sam mtaylor, CaptainSteve, popeye the sailor and 1 other 4 Quote Current Build Constructo Enterprise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cog Posted March 24, 2019 Share #118 Posted March 24, 2019 Sam ???????? I have the feeling my English knowledge doesn't meet the requirements to understand the meaning behind your words popeye the sailor and mtaylor 2 Quote Carl "Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson Search and you might find a log ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHIPSCAT Posted March 24, 2019 Author Share #119 Posted March 24, 2019 2 hours ago, Ondras71 said: Maybe this information will help you Hello Ondras Thank you for the link for the IL Leudo. Jo. mtaylor and popeye the sailor 2 Quote Current Build: IL Leudo - Mamoli - 1:34 FD10 Arnanes 701 Billings scale 1:50 "Good conversations are the ones you have with people you do not know" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHIPSCAT Posted March 24, 2019 Author Share #120 Posted March 24, 2019 12 hours ago, cog said: spirit Hello Carl Ha-ha Spirits well for your info I only drink coffee, tea or water. Jo. popeye the sailor and mtaylor 2 Quote Current Build: IL Leudo - Mamoli - 1:34 FD10 Arnanes 701 Billings scale 1:50 "Good conversations are the ones you have with people you do not know" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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