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Good day all,

Not sure if I'm in the right place on this forum but if not, sorry then it has to be moved.

 

Well here I am with my building side from the sea going tug the "Fairmount Alpine" what with today's name Boka Alpine still runs across our Oceans.

This is not my first kit to built but did not do this for the last 20 years+ but being pensioned now the misses wants me to have something to do, maybe keep my brain occupied who knows.

Anyway, did start this building from Billing Boats and want to make it different then original, means want to have a Schottel prop stern with 360 degrees rotation. No rudders of course, no shafts, no stern trust so leaving a lot of weight behind what has to be compensated with ballast afterwards but so far I am not yet. 

Also the bottom will be changed as don't like those small <planks> on vital shell places as go for "massive" shell all the way in the bottom and want to make kim keel's as did see with the sailing models that she is moving to fast when giving a little course changing. 

Not sure if the <fixed> keel is low enough in the water but if not will extend that also and maybe with ballast in there too. (example the Damen tug in pic)

So this project will take some time with having all this in place but no rush, got time.

Sequences I use is not the same as Billing boats gives in the manual but this is my system and to my humble opinion is much better.

Also waiting for the propellers and bow trust to arrive so I can finish the hull.

Having a lot of wishes for this project such as working fire fighting equipment, anchor winch that is working, towing winch and winches on the deck in working condition, lights accommodation and navigation, smoking funnels and more of that stuff.

Hope you like the pics here and if comments no problem, will respond to them all.

Have a great day you all.728616817_fairmouthalpine.thumb.jpg.a25c2383fcd14aebcfd9a8d96476d54d.jpg

 

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First built I made +25 years ago!

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  On this vessel to see the Azimuth propellers, not sure if they are Schottels 

20190311_123821.jpgBirthday present from my wife to keep me busy

20190311_123843.jpgopening the box

20190311_123859.jpgall the goodies

20190311_123925.jpgand more goodies

20190311_123941.jpgall the brass stuff I will most likely need

20190311_124015.jpgdrawing scale 1:75

20190311_124036.jpgWell mine will be different then this

20190311_124049.jpgYep, just the forward facing drawing as I made altering to it.

20190311_124108.jpgsame here, altering will be made by me on this built

20190312_195851.jpghere comes the first raw set-up

20190312_195903.jpgnot to bad but waiting for the "slip"

20190312_195929.jpglooks massive already

20190312_195955.jpgnow comes the nummering part!

20190312_201902.jpgposition of the propulsion and NO stern trust on mine

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not to bad looking for the kort nozzle but to my knowledge to low so need to raise the hull / keel.

20190312_205612.jpgtop position stern what I have to alter with ref to Schottel penetration

20190312_205821.jpgusing the tiny hole as ref for the Schottel

20190312_221905.jpgcoffee is a must have building this massive tug

20190312_222513.jpghere it comes, nummering all parts

20190312_222517.jpgnumbers, this is an absolute must otherwise you get last

20190312_222523.jpgsame here, stb and ps separated as mistakes are easy made

20190312_222528.jpgpart of the keel stern where as normally stern trust is situated

20190312_222539.jpgmidships keel frame

20190313_141748.jpggot the slip what is an easy help to keep the built strait

20190314_125309.jpgalready raw until the bridge

20190314_125324.jpgeven aft deck already set up

20190314_125332.jpglooking at it now see the aft accommodation with no 60 is upside down!

20190314_130135.jpgbow frames

20190314_130146.jpgclearly see bow trust position

20190314_214419.jpghaving the slip you can secure the built with the bow 

20190314_214429.jpgsecuring he built on the slip

20190315_154209.jpgbridge deck and monkey island with funnels

20190315_154249.jpgstarting bridge windows to be mounted / glued

20190315_154257.jpgstern with stern roller (not mounted yet)

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inside after stern part what needs to be altered for Schottel propulsion and most likely also for the towing pins.

 

20190315_192037.jpgside frames aft deck installed

20190315_192115.jpgsome works accommodation done

20190316_180118.jpgprotection plate aft deck iwo supports glued

20190316_180127.jpgside sub frames hull mounted / glued

20190317_000549.jpgfurther with bridge and superstructure

20190317_000603.jpgall sub frames forward deck glued

20190317_000621.jpgtaking shape on aft deck

20190317_000637.jpgstill working on windows bridge

1769_Schottelantrieb_III_01.jpgSchottel propellers I am going to use diam 70, for exact measurements I put later here.

s-l500.jpg bow trust.jpgbow trust but mine is 24 mm

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I must admit that until now I did not glue all the frames from the hull as she is still on the slip-way and needs to make reinforcements in between the frames but having her on the slip is much more easy to do that as it's a great stability tool to work with on this relative big kit's. 

Glad I have this slip-way built and make her on this. 

For the price you don't have to spare as it is relative cheap and during the building it can be easy moved from 1 to another spot without damage vital elements of her.

Also some of the bridge parts already glued but in the sense that the <roof> of the bridge can be removed for making inside her bridge the consoles for the nav equipment and the towing winch on her back side of this bridge. 

Funnels are glues but still not on the bottom as need to have this off when I make the pipes in there.

Did not make comments under the pics, sorry for that but must be clear enough looking at those pics.

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Thanks Kevin, 

still not sure if I put all this in the right place but until now did not get any comments about it.

Well here we go, starting to take all apart for the glue option and use the Aliphatic waterproof/sand-able glue.

Now here is the tricky part! Glue the parts is not a bad/difficult job but to do that in a fashion that all will get in the right place you have to think logic as 1 mistake and the whole built is going to be funny!! 

To keep it strait I use the slip-way what gives me a good indication if all is correct and 90 degrees on each other specially the frames.

Anyway, presently half way, back side is finished the frames and some other parts, topside of the deck railings is done, where as the roll comes on the stern is also done but can still take the top of the backside off in order to have better access underneath what I like to have other equipment mounted later.

Means only the top shell is glued, rest will follow when my reinforcements are in place between the frames.

Now just started the front part and bow what is now drying before put it on.

Need to cut the centre connection as otherwise the bow trust cannot be mounted.

I also did find the spot for the Azimuth props in the backside where as the tail will go through the shell, used the original ones as still waiting to receive them and the bow truster. 

Also the accommodation and the bridge will start today with windows bridge as the rest already done.

Wish me luck, pics are doing later.

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  Aft part glued together in a fashion I can still take it complete of as having to make some more strength in the built

20190318_215008.jpgview from top aft deck

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Just to give the impression how the Schottels will be put on later

 

 

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  other view Schottels and here I saw that have to lift the building ca 5 mm to have more clearance under the kort nozzle

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  Just an overview of the frames (not lined up yet and glued)

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Done a major progress until now.

Finished the bridge, did the penetration for the towing wires making smooth and glued, supports for the cranes cut and on the bow deck did all the frames and the top "sheet" what was a bit difficult too.

Tomorrow want to start with the aft part of the project and doing railing works on deck and on the stern the 2 bend plates next to the roller.

It takes form to it and looks like a strong tug!

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   starting to glue all on the bridge deck

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  superstructure to be glued

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   superstructure and other relevant issues there glued

  

20190319_222108.jpgnot easy the windows under 2 angles

20190319_222143.jpgboth funnels done

20190319_222211.jpginside the bridge the funnels 

20190319_222233.jpgafterwards all the furniture to be placed 

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  going to take shape with the superstructure already nearly done

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   superstructure nearly all done glued

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  also the bow nearly all glued

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  going to look good with most parts already glued

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Not to think that I stopped here, nope just goes a bit slower then I thought as needs to alter the building.

I'm the first one that is building this tug with Azimuth's without stern truster and also NO rudders. 

The Azimuth's can turn 360 degrees so no need for them, also the stern truster is closed and will not be used.

Now here comes the tricky part as I have to do that a bit different then the "NORMAL" propulsion and need some more supports to have the strength into the building. Also due to the Azimuth's I altered the keel and raised her 12 mm to have more space underneath her and there where the Azimuth's are coming.

I made side (bottom) supports on both sides, also in the middle from the last frame until the midships frame a support.

Personally, Billund Ships are ok but if you alter the propulsion I think that this building is to weak for that and made those supports.

You can see on the pictures below that I struggle a bit with the stern top side small plates to have this in 3 corners bent and also the aft outside corner. 

Managed it with help of hot water and steam to pre-bent them and stick it to the building, leave them for a day before finally glue them in place.

Presently the aft part is 90 % finished but still in a fashion that I can take of the top deck aft to enable me afterwards bringing in on the bottom the epoxy making her watertight, secondly in the event that I have to alter the stern in way of the Azimuth on top I can more easy alter the deck.

So far so good and now will start further with front part, doing a little more to the frames to guide the shell plates more and then the bow itself to be bent and glue to the frames with the anchor pockets. 

Planning is to have the bow trust in before finalise the bow but could be that I change that plan depends on the status of the shell plates who have to be in place and glued. 

I made some plates under the building there where the Azimuth's are coming to have a good strong support.

Also I still use the slip-way as due to the raising of the keel I managed to have her on the "BLOCKS"

As I don't need anymore the original propulsion + rudders, I did give it away to a friend in Holland that is presently making the same building but 10 years old and rebuilt her and was in need of those parts.

Wish me luck to start with the bow and shell plates!

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   Closing up the holes for the tail shaft penetration as not going to be used, also made iwo Schottels the ground plates and you see     the keel I raised having more clearance under the tug for the Schottels

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   Here you see the plates made for the Schottel penetration later as need more strength in the bottom

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   another view of the fixed penetration plates for the Schottels

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  Having built Billing boats in the past and noticed the weak points in their buildings making re-enforcement into the building as         want more strength in the tug having a different propulsion. 

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  Made the strength of the tug in the bottom and top from stern to bow.

20190331_225939.jpgstarting the top of the aft deck

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   Not looking to bad but need some sanding to be done to the top

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  back side / stern the plates using hot water and afterwards model pins to have it all in place until dried after glue

 

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   Looks a bit funny but no other way to support those small plates with bending etc

20190330_135341.jpgstern roller temp mounted as want to alter this.

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  prior fixed the penetration plates for the Schottels made some altering for the correct place of those penetration plates

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   starting making the strength in the tug

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   Secured the tug on the slip as it is 5 mm higher on the keel

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  mounting the hull plate iwo the anchor pocket 

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  Have to shape the frames where the hull is touching to have the same angle

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  It's coming there, most parts now in place

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  forward view of the tug

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   Nothing much to say about this then parts are slowly coming to be in position, next step will be the hull.

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those parts I did not need and give them away to a friend in the Netherlands that was making a restoration of same built and was in need of those parts.

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Not to think that I stopped here, nope just goes a bit slower then I thought as needs to alter the building.

I'm the first one that is building this tug with Azimuth's without stern truster and also NO rudders. 

The Azimuth's can turn 360 degrees so no need for them, also the stern truster is closed and will not be used.

Now here comes the tricky part as I have to do that a bit different then the "NORMAL" propulsion and need some more supports to have the strength into the building. Also due to the Azimuth's I altered the keel and raised her 12 mm to have more space underneath her and there where the Azimuth's are coming.

I made side (bottom) supports on both sides, also in the middle from the last frame until the midships frame a support.

Personally, Billund Ships are ok but if you alter the propulsion I think that this building is to weak for that and made those supports.

You can see on the pictures below that I struggle a bit with the stern top side small plates to have this in 3 corners bent and also the aft outside corner. 

Managed it with help of hot water and steam to pre-bent them and stick it to the building, leave them for a day before finally glue them in place.

Presently the aft part is 90 % finished but still in a fashion that I can take of the top deck aft to enable me afterwards bringing in on the bottom the epoxy making her watertight, secondly in the event that I have to alter the stern in way of the Azimuth on top I can more easy alter the deck.

So far so good and now will start further with front part, doing a little more to the frames to guide the shell plates more and then the bow itself to be bent and glue to the frames with the anchor pockets. 

Planning is to have the bow trust in before finalise the bow but could be that I change that plan depends on the status of the shell plates who have to be in place and glued. 

I made some plates under the building there where the Azimuth's are coming to have a good strong support.

Also I still use the slip-way as due to the raising of the keel I managed to have her on the "BLOCKS"

As I don't need anymore the original propulsion + rudders, I did give it away to a friend in Holland that is presently making the same building but 10 years old and rebuilt her and was in need of those parts.

Wish me luck to start with the bow and shell plates!

 

Been some time now but slowly we are coming there.

Had some other work to do at home so the building was second in line so to speak..

Anyway today we have the 12 April and done with the helideck and her supports for that, thought that material I ordered did arrive but apparently they are still on their way to me.

Yes I did make a helideck, this days it is a MUST to have one if your vessel want to keep up with competitors so looked around to find some ideas and the result is not to bad if I may say so.

Also on the forward part bow all fittings done and the winches behind the accommodation as well the 2 x boilers ER put in place , the MOB fit and also the second fast rescue boat. 

I ordered 2 x cranes to be mounted on the aft part as where the pillars are presently as well an Atlas crane on the aft deck below. 

The 2 x tucker winches as all supports aft deck done and in place.

As you may have noticed the supports ps and stb side are done below bottom are glue inside so we have more strength into the vessel itself.

As still in discussion with Cornwall for the Azimuth delivery we came to an option to have an el. motor for the 360 degrees continue running and no stop and go back, did that as with real Schottel you can do that so why not in a model? You only have to use an el motor that runs with a slow movement (or gearbox, reduction) in order to have the steering movements by means of belt and the el motor (vertical mounted) to be done. Means having inside 4 x belts, 2 for the propulsion and 2 x for the independent steering. 

So in the end there will be not so much el motors or other parts like an original and have due to that more space underneath the deck.

Having said that the height under decks iwo the Azimuth was only 24 mm so not much space left for the 2 wheels mounted on top of the Azimuth where as the belts are running from to the el motors for the previous named movements.

 

Still the weather here in the UK is not so good to work outside, still have zero degrees at night so have to wait for the shell/hull plates and bow until this goes better.

Anyway, did work enough in the mean time and still can manage to take off all parts such as complete aft part and bridge / accommodation as well to make it more easy for painting and putting epoxy afterwards.

Also it is more practical when I'm building in the lights and other parts as under deck (midships)  I want to have a working towing winch so made already a platform where as this is mounted later on.

Enjoy the pics and if having questions willing to answer them, until then have a great one.

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  As told before, the aft part was glued together as a section but still could be removed from the tug until such time I was finished     works below deck

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I only had 24 mm under the deck plate but as found out after info I got from the maker this would be enough.

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  Made all what was needed on the fore castle like anchor winch and bollards

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  Looking good after have them done

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  Also behing the superstructure where the spare drums are mounted done

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  Was not an easy job but managed it. Still they all can turn too.

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  Both spare drums mounted / glued to the superstructure deck aft

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  Also the heavy big drum for the spare towing wire done and glued, can also turn too.

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  All 3 drums together, now still need to turn around the plate 60 as not done until now.

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  the 2 small tucker winches for the aft deck, turning too.

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   Made a mast but not content with it so this will be changed afterwards

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   Getting there but need much more. I also changed the no 60 plate from the superstructure.

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   Boxes placed on ps deck

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   Here I start to make a helideck for the tug

20190408_002759.jpgnot looking bad and need some more works 

20190408_002833.jpgnow how to go there on the helideck!

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   made the stair way to the helideck but is to complicated so will change afterwards

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   Not to bad the direct uptake from monkey island to helideck

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   Safety net to be made and also start with railings

 

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   complete supports for the helideck 

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  other view supports helideck

 

 

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Hello seamanpeter

 

WOW what a build, I take my hat off to you.

That is some large ship, how long is it.

 

By the way thank you for following my little IL Leudo build.

 

Jo.

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Jo, thanks for follow this built, the total length is ca 1 Mtr, she will be ca 25 cm stb to ps, and the height is around 48 cm (top mast - bottom).

How heavy she will be cannot tell you as no applicants built in yet and also no ballast so all depends.

Hope she will not sunk to deep into the water but that's to find out afterwards in the bath!!

Will take some time to have her all done with all I want to built in her with lights, propulsion, winch, batteries etc etc.

Those are the heavy parts, the rest is hardly giving weight to her.

But as time goes by I keep you all posted.

Till next time, take care and hope your built will be finalised too.

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Right, being a bit slow this time as last my HD from laptop included most of the data so been busy to get this sorted out and after having a new HD mounted, now have to download all what I had before. 

Some of the data also from the Boka Alpine is last but did manage to retrieve some of it.

Now then, did some work on the building but is still on the slip making little progress to the hull, bow and deck.

The most difficult part was the mast, what shape, where to place it, as did not like the original one. Found a solution and that is what it will be, need some work to it like lights, radars etc, but that will be done later.

Already did use filler on the bow and other parts as still waiting for Cornwall to come with an solution for the 2 x Schottel's in the back side as previous ones where to high above it as only have less then 25 mm but it will be sorted out with 2 x belt on each one, 1 for steering 360 degrees and another for the propulsion.

Anyway, even the working space on deck is done with planking, my God what a work is that each plank cutting and glue.

Cranes will be ordered and also the buckle crane on aft deck will be done.

Railing works will be done by fixed ones and just bend / cut them where ever thy need to be.

Helideck will be illuminated but all lights will be done afterwards when all rest is finalised.

Still can take off most of it for later painting / lighting / epoxy etc.

Still have some up to date pictures here and hope you enjoy them.

Till next time with this building.

 

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  going further with making the re-enforcement in the tug as started before. I was still able to take of the complete superstructure     incl the deck what now can see is an advantage as have works to do underneath.

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   make the life rafts also both sides and you see the re-enforcement all the way around

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   Also the top having this re-enforcement built in

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   Slowly but getting there, waiting for the bow trust

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   stb side re-enforcement also nearly done

20190427_180844.jpgJust a view how it looks like and still on the slip

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   first filler used without sanding until that time

20190428_210441.jpgaft deck done with all the planking!

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   Just a nice view of the tug

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   Hahaha, night on board but still working on it

20190501_202144.jpgmade a mast but not content with it

20190501_202214.jpgNope, don't like the mast!

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Right, being a bit slow this time as last my HD from laptop included most of the data so been busy to get this sorted out and after having a new HD mounted, now have to download all what I had before. 

Some of the data also from the Boka Alpine is last but did manage to retrieve some of it.

Now then, did some work on the building but is still on the slip making little progress to the hull, bow and deck.

The most difficult part was the mast, what shape, where to place it, as did not like the original one. Found a solution and that is what it will be, need some work to it like lights, radars etc, but that will be done later.

Already did use filler on the bow and other parts as still waiting for Cornwall to come with an solution for the 2 x Schottel's in the back side as previous ones where to high above it as only have less then 25 mm but it will be sorted out with 2 x belt on each one, 1 for steering 360 degrees and another for the propulsion.

Anyway, even the working space on deck is done with planking, my God what a work is that each plank cutting and glue.

Cranes will be ordered and also the buckle crane on aft deck will be done.

Railing works will be done by fixed ones and just bend / cut them where ever thy need to be.

Helideck will be illuminated but all lights will be done afterwards when all rest is finalised.

Still can take off most of it for later painting / lighting / epoxy etc.

Still have some up to date pictures here and hope you enjoy them.

Till next time with this building.

nb. some pics of the layout mast and what will be the Azimut Schottels, only mine will have long belts both sides as only have limited space above ca 22 mm.  Cornwall UK is making them and waiting for arriving here. Also the helideck will be illuminated as pic show and after with epoxy made smooth.

 

20190501_202214.jpgneed to get my image together to change mast

20190506_134703.jpgNope still don't like it

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   Principe of the Schottels working and those should turn 360 degrees so propulsion goes only 1 way, to go astern you have to turn the Schottel 180 degrees so to speak (as in reality it works)

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   I will make later similar lighting on the helideck

 

 

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Gidday Peter.

I have jumped in a tad late for your impressive build.

I also like these sea going tugs and one is on the backburner, too many projects and not enough life left.

Wishing you all the best in your endeavours,

Mark.

 

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How did I miss this until now? Very impressive, Peter. And very fast work without sacrificing quality in the slightest.

 

At the beginning of the build you commented on whether or not you had put the log in the right place. I assume that's because you're not building the model exactly the same as the kit, with no rudders etc. No problemo - that's what we call kit-bashing, and is usually  better than how it comes in the kit because the builder has invested more care and attention - and research - into it than the kit manufacturers were prepared to.

 

I don't usually follow modern builds - I'm more a mediaeval/renaissance guy - but this build is really beautiful.

 

Steven

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Thanks Steven.

Yes I built it different then the original is doe as over the years working at sea as engineer and later as master on this kind of tugs I do have enough experience to made it in a way that I think it should be done.

Nevertheless, this is my interpretation of a sea going tug and also these days in the Offshore working environment to assist where possible.

At my age and been there long enough I made again my life work as hobby and with all respect, billing boats are great but you can make them stronger when you later want to use them so you will see that I have made supports to pick up the force and moments having a different kind of propulsion.

Also seen some of the buildings as RC in the water they are not that stable so I made a keel under her and will make also "Kim keels" having her more quiet in the water during sailing. 

Yes I made also a helideck in the front as that what it's required giving service to the Offshore or any other project she may be involved in.

It does not going fast but in a regular tempo as what you have said yourself, you have to think carefully what you doing during this built, perfect you cannot get it but will try to come as close possible.

Sure afterwards will make the additional extra's to her like lighting, winches, towing pins, smoking exhaust, helideck lighting, working fire equipment and all what is on the market.

By the end of the day it will be a realistic built with all the futures you can think off and as again, I was born on the water 71 years ago and still love it to get involved with ships, call it a passion.

I will post pics during the development here and if comments, you welcome to give your input.

Thanks Steven and take care there "down under".

 

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On 3/17/2019 at 9:21 PM, Seamanpeter said:

I must admit that until now I did not glue all the frames from the hull as she is still on the slip-way and needs to make reinforcements in between the frames but having her on the slip is much more easy to do that as it's a great stability tool to work with on this relative big kit's. 

Glad I have this slip-way built and make her on this. 

For the price you don't have to spare as it is relative cheap and during the building it can be easy moved from 1 to another spot without damage vital elements of her.

Also some of the bridge parts already glued but in the sense that the <roof> of the bridge can be removed for making inside her bridge the consoles for the nav equipment and the towing winch on her back side of this bridge. 

Funnels are glues but still not on the bottom as need to have this off when I make the pipes in there.

Did not make comments under the pics, sorry for that but must be clear enough looking at those pics.

Querry where did you get the mug? I want one. Being an ex Marine Engineer.

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On 4/13/2019 at 9:16 AM, Seamanpeter said:

Jo, thanks for follow this built, the total length is ca 1 Mtr, she will be ca 25 cm stb to ps, and the height is around 48 cm (top mast - bottom).

How heavy she will be cannot tell you as no applicants built in yet and also no ballast so all depends.

Hope she will not sunk to deep into the water but that's to find out afterwards in the bath!!

Will take some time to have her all done with all I want to built in her with lights, propulsion, winch, batteries etc etc.

Those are the heavy parts, the rest is hardly giving weight to her.

But as time goes by I keep you all posted.

Till next time, take care and hope your built will be finalised too.

Hey Peter,

From my experience with my "stock" build so to speak, the displacement of the model should be around 10 to 15 kg I believe closer to the 10 kg figure.

At least for the stern a ~2 kg hammer resting of the deck was enough to get the propps fully submerged, then the bow was almost entirely out of the wafer. So don't quote me exactly on the displacement. If I manage, to get the thusters for my repairs today, and mount them in the weekend, I may get you the actual displacement figure during the Sunday, if not, then maybe next week.

 

Oh and regarding the propulsion system, maybe you don't know but there is a German company making these belt driven ones, here is a link:

https://www.bauer-modelle.com/epages/Bauer_Uwe46269592.sf/de_DE/?ObjectPath=/Shops/Bauer_Uwe46269592/Categories/"Schiffsantriebe%2C Spezial- und Wellenantriebe"/"Schottel%2C Z-Antriebe"

They are quite expensive to my taste, but they look to be superb build quality...

 

Regards

George

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Right, thanks for this info George, I know this firm in Germany and you right, they are a bit at the top level if you look at their prices.

Never the less, they do have nice stuff what can be used for a resonable price too.

For the weight of the built most likely because I built additional wood in her and checked until now on the scale is ca 11 kg but without all equipment such as Schottels, batteries and other stuff.

I gues together with all I will come to ca 15-16 kg but as seen other builts same size they are still to my knowledge a bit high on the water so I'm not really afraid about it.

You did a great job on the bridge inside and the lighting is going great too. Not sure if I go for the same lay out as we all have our ideas and not the same but never the less it looks good.

I will make an adjustable floor inside the accommodation under the bridge to make the stairs in there and also the lightning.

Have to take care not to consume all space as want also the towing winch inside her under the accommodation on a floor as present it is not there.

https://info398977.wixsite.com/shop/modelle-und-zubehoer?fbclid=IwAR0Bowj2wOQ15Md9E0IF4NfNfOdPpc2-W0mNQZ00mKxKiFU36x38uH2JT5U

Here I did order some parts as the pics will show you and are all scale 1:75, I did not posted all I ordered in the pics as that is to much, you will see them afterwards.

The only disadvantage is delivery time can be up till 6 weeks or longer for some parts.

But as you can see I go away from the original layout as according general plan but this is me, having sailed on those ships I always want to make it perfect although that is something you never get but this time building it I can.

Ok George, thanks again for showing your status and we talk again when we find something what is usefull for both.

Greetings from Luton UK

Peter 

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   Those are the cranes in scale 1:75 what will come on the tug stb and ps.

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   Towing pins what should be accommodated in between the 2 Schottels aft. (Hopefully enough space)

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   Radar / comm mast what will be situated between funnels and helideck on the monkey island

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  radio / nav console inside the bridge

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   radar on the aft mast, need to make a small platform there.

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   fire equipment to be mounted on a platform situated aft side helideck

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   buckle / deck crane on ps deck iwo ps tucker winch and outer hull, place to be situated when part arrived

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   helicopter what will be having his own remote and can fly on / off the helideck.

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   Radio Console on the bridge in scale 1:75, comes opposite the chart table near stairs 

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   Bridge console for navigation with 3 screens for radar, ecdis and  other equipment

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   mini screens for bridge console working conditions all for scale 1:75

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Hey Peter, I have seen this site before 😄 However I don't really want to buy something I can, to some degree make by myself... But that doesn't mean, they don't have some very interesting things on offer. Regarding the towing winch, from model, it seems to be almost impossible to incorporate, to you now the model look big, but wait, until you start adding the electronics, it will be full in no time, I was surprised as well how fast, there was almost no space at all... And I even went with the most space conserving battery option there is to my knowledge...

But I can't wait to see how yours will turn out to be, with all the interesting mods you have done.

 

Cheers

George

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George, the towing winch I ordered is not that big anyhow and the el motor is BUILT INSIDE the drum what saves you a lot of space.

Ok it comes from USA but hopefully it is here before X-mas this year.

I know there is not much space left inside the built, therefore I want to have the recievers, volt convertors inside the accomodation and the rest below such as batteries and el motors all under decks.

I want to have long belts so the 2 el motors (vertical positioned) for each Schottel propulsion mounted as far possible in each side in way off I positioned the number 3 ps / stb side on my pic from bottom.

Means in between the 2 Schottels should be place enough for the towing pins.

As you say, you will see the pics when I received the parts and built them in.

So far so good, this weekend trying to finish the helideck to have all corners made smooth, no sharp edges and the safety net in place.

For the rest have to wait until better weather.

Chears George, enjoy the weekend,

Peter

 

 

 

https://www.harbormodels.com/craneswinches.html

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  towing winch on order and will be placed direct behind the midships towing arrangement place.

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   Where you see S3 and 4 ps is the spot where the 2 el motors (vertical) for the Schottel propulsion are coming, on top of the frame with no 57 stb and 57 ps the spot for the small 360 degrees turning el motors of the Schottels.

 

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To all, for the latest developments pls go to: https://modelshipworld.com/profile/32387-seamanpeter/?status=1004&type=status.

 

As it looks like my other page for this built is partly closed as after the works done to the server some mails cannot be found anymore.

Tomorrow or in the weekend will sort this out and bring all here so have it in one space / blog what ever you call it.

Best regards,

Peter.

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Right, found out what is missing here as was in the other blog I made.

So to come to the point now waiting for the weather to be more nice guess this will not happen before next year.

Therefore waiting for the orders I made and what I can do from inside the house I will make it.

Not going that fast either as have to find time between other arrangements having here such as school (UNI) and work.

Will do my best but if not regularly don't be afraid I'm doing nothing and stopped but just did not have time for it.

I did make some enquiries with ref to the Schottels and got some measurements I can work with.

Waiting for the measurement of the towing pins unit as that has to be fitted in between the Schottels on the deck. 

Anyway, made platforms for the towing winch when it arrives so that will be the first step to do and see if my calculations where correct to place it where I want it to be.

Have a great time you all,

will revert,

Peter338939143_mmsizeschottelcomponent.jpg.5fafde5a75e2351ce0df26c730fbdf75.jpgmeasurements for the Schottels on both sides stern.

20190917_194000.jpgmade the bow out of massive wood

20190917_194020.jpgjust for more protection on a "weak" bow

 

20190918_111004.jpgBow trust did protection massive wood

20190918_131902.jpgglue parts bow

20190919_115241.jpgmassive wood I used

20190920_092132.jpgraw bow, needs finalising

20190920_092144.jpgmost raw works done

20190920_092154.jpgclosed up bow trust and bow itself

20190920_092321.jpgsecured bow trust

20190921_200954.jpgclosed all forward part

20190927_111420.jpgmade anchor pocket protection and first filler by hand

20190927_111430.jpgsame this side, closed up and filler first time

20190927_111442.jpgcoming there, looks good already

20190927_111451.jpgnow the "labour" works like sanding and filling

20190927_111511.jpgalso here, sanding and filling until final before painting

20191003_065335.jpgview status before sanding

20191003_065346.jpgother side view before sanding

20191003_065425.jpglike the shape of the bow, looks great to me

20191003_065439.jpgdid also some to the stern but needs more 

20191003_065740.jpgclearly to see the works to be done to the stern

20191003_065805.jpgwill start modify mast and sanding bridge

20191003_065819.jpgpretty much works to be done as I can see it

20191005_213722.jpglooks good after sanding 

20191006_075532.jpgnice shape

20191006_075552.jpgstill need more sanding and filler bow

20191006_075611.jpgeven not in center line looks good!

20191006_080053.jpgbow trust in place waiting to connect

20191019_223926.jpgaltering up-take to helideck

20191019_224005.jpgchanged the uptake to helideck

20191019_224139.jpgnew platform to helideck / monkey island

20191024_164022.jpgaltered mast and looks much better

20191024_164039.jpgyep, I like it

20191024_164115.jpgstatus presently with kim keel

20191025_103158.jpghand made mast and looks good

20191109_193228.jpgyeah foremast also done

20191109_193246.jpgafterwards the "lower" top nav. light

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  Here missing the kim keel what will be done shortly.

 

 

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dear Jo, yes moved all here as it is more convenient anyway to have all in 1 page so to speak.

 

Looking t your new project the old Danish fishing boat looks great to me and must say for an (even) tiny el motor connected to the prop there is no space unless you want to change the stern. Theoretical it can be done but is an not easy job.

Anyway, looking forward your progress in this one and wish you the patient to make it!

Good luck with your new project and will follow your works

Peter xxxxxxxxxxxxxx

 

 

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