SMS Baden by Joe100 - HMV - 1/250 - CARD

[Joe100]

I thought I’d share some build photos of SMS Baden, HMV, 1/250.

 

This ship is a bit more ambitious than Emden, something like 5000 pieces with the laser cut set. 

Not much to be said about what I’ve accomplished other than adding torsion stiffeners to the hull interior to prevent warping and add some stability. HMV makes a nice kit but boy their hull form structure is quite light. I doubled every single stringer too, and it was still wiggly. After adding the tortion support, stiff as a board.

I’m also trying a new glue, an archival scrapbooking glue called Zip Dry. It works well, to my mind at least and the hull is arrow straight and true. However, the usual disclaimer applies: I am a self-realized high-functioning idiot. I have had no joints fail, but it doesn’t seem to be as strong as PVA. That said, I’ll take less bonding power of warping at this stage. The superstructure and details will be constructed with PVA though. 

 

 

I’ll post some more progress photos as I go along. 

 

Torsion supports:

I use a piece of acrylic with a 3-ply foamcore support to make sure my bulls are true. It’s as flat as glass with no potential to bow, but it’s also much lighter.

Casemate guns

The 4 anchors contain 60 pieces.

Spalted ash base

The underwater portion of the hull after adding a plastisizer and prior to putty. It’s impoasible to build a good-looking underwater hull without putty. 

All together now, attached and painted.

Edited March 19, 2019 by Joe100

[ccoyle]

Joe, this looks great so far! I'm moving it to the build logs section for you.

[Joe100]

Great thanks 

[Joe100]

Anchor chains, capstans, and all 4 turrets are finished.

 

You’ll notice the scenery changes in the background from my gorgeous home to a dingy government conference room. I’m an air traffic controller and I have a fair bit of downtime so I fill it with modeling.

Edited March 19, 2019 by Joe100

[Joe100]

[Joe100]

Coming to life with railings, stairs, and cranes.

[Joe100]

Lifelines finished.

 

Im not sure if anyone is reading this and taking interest. If anyone has any questions about this build, I’d be more than happy to answer them.

 

Edited March 21, 2019 by Joe100

[RGL]

Very nice work, these armoured cruisers have such lovely lines. 

[Joe100]

2 minutes ago, RGL said:

Very nice work, these armoured cruisers have such lovely lines. 

Thanks! Glad you’re enjoying it. Your Seydlitz build is beyond perfect.

[Joe100]

A whole days work on this whaleboat, sadly it’ll be covered up mostly by the two boats stacked on it hiding a lot of the detail.

[druxey]

Very nice clean work, Joe. The open boat looks like it's made of wood!

[Joe100]

35 minutes ago, druxey said:

Very nice clean work, Joe. The open boat looks like it's made of wood!

 

Thanks! I can assure you it’s made of paper, about a dozen pieces of fragile paper! Hahaha

[Joe100]

A little more progress

[Joe100]

Stowed

 

[ccoyle]

This really an exceptional model in the works!

[Joe100]

3 minutes ago, ccoyle said:

This really an exceptional model in the works!

Thanks! It’s been a lot of work so far, 3 months

 

Some of you may have noticed that the aerial recognition circle on the turret is chopped off. It appears that part of it was painted out during the war. Maybe to differentiate Bayern from Baden, or perhaps they were painting them out and stopped for some reason. 

 

Its hard to get a good timeline on these since late-war aerial photos of Baden are rare, most being postwar 

 

 

 

Edited March 25, 2019 by Joe100

[Joe100]

I’ve been busy on the 8.8cm SK L45 guns and I’ll take photos soon. I haven’t posted anything in several days and I’ll remedy that tomorrow.

[Joe100]

[amateur]

Is it just the card-set, or fo ypu use loads of lasercut and PE.

Eitjer way, the result is great !

 

Jan

[Joe100]

Card, laser, and lots of scratch building. Something like 10,000 individual pieces when it’s finished. Maybe more 

[Dan Vadas]

On 3/21/2019 at 4:43 PM, Joe100 said:

Im not sure if anyone is reading this and taking interest. If anyone has any questions about this build, I’d be more than happy to answer them.

Yep, I am now that I've found your Log . Looking good so far Joe. You added a LOT of stiffeners to the hull, a lot more than I've ever used. On my "HMS Hood" I managed to cut them down to just an extra piece between each bulkhead, mostly so I avoided crushing the hull skin when handling it and to keep them the correct distance apart and square.

 

A couple of tips for doing the underwater sections. Shape each section as close to the finished curvature as possible before gluing, and dry-fit it frequently. Only glue the very edge of each piece, DON'T glue to any interior braces that you may have added - gluing to them tends to pull the piece out of shape. The extra braces on my hulls only touch the inside of the skins to prevent crushing.

 

On 3/19/2019 at 8:49 AM, Joe100 said:

The underwater portion of the hull after adding a plastisizer and prior to putty. It’s impoasible to build a good-looking underwater hull without putty.

I didn't use ANY putty on my "Hood" at all, mainly due to the above tips, and it turned out near perfect. Mind you, the previous two models were nowhere near as good - LOTS of putty and touch-up paint. There's nothing like a bit more experience .

 

BTW - what is your opinion of the HMV kit? It's one publisher I haven't tried yet, my favourite is definitely Halinski - their "artwork" (as in colouring and weathering) and kit design has been the best I've come across so far.

 

Keep up the good work, and I'll be following the rest of the build.

 

Danny

[Joe100]

Thanks Dan,

 

The card HMV uses for the hull structure is quite thin. I added all of the extra torsion supports because, well, it was entirely necessary. I wanted a solid hull with no hint of flexing. I built both the upper and lower hulls on a long piece of glass and when I added the hulls sides and the armor plating, all 9 layers, they lined up across all dimensions right down to the micron. All that extra bracing paid off down the road. I doubled up the upper decks as well. I wanted NO hints of the underlying structure poking though. 

 

I’d always intended to cover the lower hull and sand it smooth. I wanted it to be weathered and slightly fouled. I plan to do the same on my HMS Malaya build later this year.

 

HMV does a nice job with their printing, however there can occasionally be fit issues. On my SMS Emden build, it was the ship’s boats, on Baden it has so far been the turrets. The turrets are unsupported inside so I built a frame in order to stiffen them a bit.

 

My Emden btw:

 

[amateur]

How did you do the antennae on your Emden? 

Streched sprues? I like the sagging of the wires.

 

Jan

[GeorgeKapas]

A magnificent topic and model! I'm too thinking of going back to ww1/ww2 warships with card models myself. She looks great, and the filling of the lower hull is something I hadn't think of for card models, it was always a difficult and problematic area with curves that are a geometrical issue with paper. Most interesting. 

[Joe100]

1 hour ago, amateur said:

How did you do the antennae on your Emden? 

Streched sprues? I like the sagging of the wires.

 

Jan

Nope, metal wire.

[Joe100]

45 minutes ago, GeorgeKapas said:

A magnificent topic and model! I'm too thinking of going back to ww1/ww2 warships with card models myself. She looks great, and the filling of the lower hull is something I hadn't think of for card models, it was always a difficult and problematic area with curves that are a geometrical issue with paper. Most interesting. 

Thanks!!!

[Joe100]

1 hour ago, GeorgeKapas said:

A magnificent topic and model! I'm too thinking of going back to ww1/ww2 warships with card models myself. She looks great, and the filling of the lower hull is something I hadn't think of for card models, it was always a difficult and problematic area with curves that are a geometrical issue with paper. Most interesting. 

Thanks!!! The joints just looked bad, and I’d originally started out thinking I wouldn’t use filler but it looks better in the end.

[Joe100]

All 8 of the 8.8cm SK L45 guns are finished. It seems that the ship was designed to carry 8 guns, but I can only find a couple of photos that seem to show 4 installed. Most of the really good photos of Baden are postwar and the 8.8cm guns have all been removed. I have a pretty formidable library and even my specialized monographs aren’t much help. So, I made all 8 anyway. It’ll add a lot of visual interest and that’s what I’m after. This is the same reason I have the bow and stern cranes erected and the boat booms swung out. This isn’t unrealistic, I have seen many photos of her with her cranes up. 

 

Anyway, on to the photos. The 8.8s need some touch up paint on the barrels and the sights. That’ll come later today. The aft funnel support and air intakes are finished. The intake detail is pretty nice as the whole structure is hollow and the louvers are supported by an elaborate saw-tooth structure behind. It gives the impression of depth and looks great. Needless to say it took several hours to build.

 

[amateur]

With respect to pics: I guess you know the bundesarchiv?

 

Jan

[Joe100]

Yes, they know me well!