Engine44 Posted May 4, 2019 Share #1 Posted May 4, 2019 I am brand new to this site and to ship kit building. After some browsing, I became interested in Caldercraft kits. When I went to their website, I was surprised to find that they have only about 20 models. Is that correct? I expected a much larger choice. Thank you, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccoyle Posted May 4, 2019 Share #2 Posted May 4, 2019 That's true if you are considering only their line of sailing ship kits. There are also non-sailing vessels sold under that name. Most of Caldercraft's kits were designed by Chris Watton, who is a member of this forum. Quite a while back, he took a position with Amati, where he designed their Victory Models series of kits. So if the Caldercraft/Nelson's Navy kits appeal to you, be sure to check out the Victory Models kits. Cheers! mtaylor, Canute, MEDDO and 1 other 4 Quote Chris Coyle Greer, South Carolina When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk. - Tuco Current builds: Brigantine Phoenix, Hawker Hurricane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vane Posted July 4, 2019 Share #3 Posted July 4, 2019 I think they have quite many, but what surprise me was that they just stopped with the Nelson's Navy series. They released alot of New vessels regurlarly but then there where nothing. The Jotika webpage also freezed. Old Project ideas are still there. mtaylor and JeffT 2 Quote Current builds: HMS Victory (Corel 1:98), HMS Snake (Caldercraft 1:64), HMBV Granado (Caldercraft 1:64), HMS Diana (Caldercraft 1:64), HMS Speedy (Vanguard Models 1:64) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregory Posted July 4, 2019 Share #4 Posted July 4, 2019 Just noticed a new post to this topic.. Just curious.. I'm wondering how a selection of only 20 kits is a problem for a first time builder? mtaylor 1 Quote Luck is just another word for good preparation. —MICHAEL ROSE Current builds: Rattlesnake (Scratch From MS Plans On Hold: HMS Resolution ( AKA Ferrett ) In the Gallery: Yacht Mary, Gretel, French Cannon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reilly Posted July 4, 2019 Share #5 Posted July 4, 2019 His dismay may be in the lack of scale diversity. Twenty kits allows a nice selection to choose from. However, virtually all of the kits are in 1/64 scale? Why not some 1/48 scale products? Since they haven't offered any new kits in years, I doubt that we'll see any 1/48 scale kits in the near future. Very disappointing. bob mtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vane Posted July 4, 2019 Share #6 Posted July 4, 2019 (edited) Personally, I prefer to build everything in the same scale. I will probably stick with 1:64 now. To me it will takes tens of years before i run out of Cadercraft ships to do. So far they kind of have lots for everyone in the Nelson series: 100 guns, Victory 64 guns, Agememnon 38 guns, Diana about 20 guns, Snake, Crusier, Mars, Jauluse Bombvessels lots of smaller ships What is missing from this lineup besides a 1:64 Victory ;-)? Something that would be interesting would to add additional kits where you could turn your kit into a similar "sister ship". I am sure that with small changes you could actually build another as we seen various example of in this forum. Edited July 4, 2019 by Vane el cid 1 Quote Current builds: HMS Victory (Corel 1:98), HMS Snake (Caldercraft 1:64), HMBV Granado (Caldercraft 1:64), HMS Diana (Caldercraft 1:64), HMS Speedy (Vanguard Models 1:64) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James H Posted July 4, 2019 Share #7 Posted July 4, 2019 25 minutes ago, Vane said: What is missing from this lineup besides a 1:64 Victory ;-)? ...and that is happening, from Amati. mtaylor 1 Quote SAY NO TO PIRACY. SUPPORT ORIGINAL IDEAS AND MANUFACTURERS. KEEP IT REAL! On the bench: HMS Indefatigable - 1794 (production prototype), Vanguard Models - 1:64. On Hold: HMS Winchelsea Double Capstan - Syren Ship Models - 1:48 Finished US Baltimore Armed Privateer Schooner Grecian 1812 (prototype) - Vanguard Models - 1:64 'Zulu' fishing boat, Vanguard Models - 1:64 Fifie' fishing boat, Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Flirt 1782, Vanguard Models - 1:64. Duchess of Kingston c.1780 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Sphinx 1775, Vanguard Models - 1:64 ERYCINA - Plymouth Ketch-Rigged Trawler 1882, Vanguard Models - 1:64. 'Nisha' - The Brixham 'Mumble-Bee' - Vanguard Models 1:64 'Saucy Jack' fishing boat - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Ranger 'Barking Fish Carrier' - 1864 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Indeterminate: Tender Avos - Master Korabel - 1:72. H.M.S. Victory (production prototype) - Amati - 1:64. HMS Granado 1742 (cross section) - CAFModel - 1:48 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vane Posted July 4, 2019 Share #8 Posted July 4, 2019 A couple of ships it would be nice to have also in 1:64 are HMS Bellona and HMS Unicorn. Also a pity Amatis HMS Vanguard is not in 1:64. mtaylor 1 Quote Current builds: HMS Victory (Corel 1:98), HMS Snake (Caldercraft 1:64), HMBV Granado (Caldercraft 1:64), HMS Diana (Caldercraft 1:64), HMS Speedy (Vanguard Models 1:64) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reilly Posted July 5, 2019 Share #9 Posted July 5, 2019 The reason why I endorse 1/48 scale products is the creative ability to effect greater detail subjectivity in the kit through research. The larger scale allows greater detail. Of course, with the detriment for some builders of greater size. I have yet to see great detail in 1/64 scale products versus, for example, the 1/48 scale cutter cheerful by chuck passaro as an example. I would rather see a reversion to 1/48 scale as in the old admarilty models of old rather than 1/64 scale products simply because of size and price. I also am an advocate of building in one or two scales as a matter of choice for multiple reasons. My respects to all. bob mtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted July 5, 2019 Share #10 Posted July 5, 2019 Being able to 1:48 would be great but for room to display them. A lot of us do 1:64 as it's a good compromise. Blue Ensign, Canute and el cid 3 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vane Posted July 5, 2019 Share #11 Posted July 5, 2019 Its not the just the size, its the cost of the kits as well. Basically everything with more than 20 guns would be difficult to sell if they came in 1:48. Most are not even in 1:64. For smaller ships i could agree with the argument though Canute, mtaylor and Matrim 3 Quote Current builds: HMS Victory (Corel 1:98), HMS Snake (Caldercraft 1:64), HMBV Granado (Caldercraft 1:64), HMS Diana (Caldercraft 1:64), HMS Speedy (Vanguard Models 1:64) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Ensign Posted July 5, 2019 Share #12 Posted July 5, 2019 I have eleven ship models around the house in scales ranging from 1:150 - 1:24. Different scales and subjects do allow for more display options, if I built everything I have in 1:48 scale I would have a wonderful collection of models - but no wife! B.E. ccoyle, Ryland Craze, Canute and 3 others 6 Quote Current Build: HMS Indefatigable-1794-by-blue-ensign-vanguard-models-164-scale Medway-longboat-1742-by-blue-ensign-½”-scale Completed builds: HMS Sphinx 1775 by Blue Ensign. 1:64 scale - Vanguard Models Queen-Anne-Royal-Barge-circa-1700-by-Blue-Ensign Fifie fishing boat Lady Eleanor Muirneag-1903-–-a-scottish-zulu-fishing-boat-164-scale-based-on-the-vanguard-models-zulu-kit/ HM Cutter Alert 1777 HM Cutter Cheerful 1806 18th-century-English-longboat-by-Blue-Ensign-ms-148-scale/ finished 18thc English Pinnace by Blue Ensign-Model-Shipways-1:24 scale/ finished HMS-Pegasus-by-Blue-Ensign-finished-Victory-Models-1:64-scale/ Heller Seventy-four 1:150 scale - modified Le Superbe/Le Glorieux kit after Boudriot, waterline setting with sails. The schooner Pickle, Jotika pob kit 1:64 scale, my interpretation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vane Posted July 5, 2019 Share #13 Posted July 5, 2019 A model around 50 to 100cm is easy to put on display. Ships over 150cm will be really difficult to fit anywhere in a house. Also remember it will increase in width... Canute and mtaylor 2 Quote Current builds: HMS Victory (Corel 1:98), HMS Snake (Caldercraft 1:64), HMBV Granado (Caldercraft 1:64), HMS Diana (Caldercraft 1:64), HMS Speedy (Vanguard Models 1:64) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccoyle Posted July 5, 2019 Share #14 Posted July 5, 2019 1 hour ago, Vane said: A model around 50 to 100cm is easy to put on display. That's debatable. My small house is running extremely short of 50-100 cm potential display spaces -- at least ones that the Admiral would be okay with. el cid, Canute, Edwardkenway and 1 other 4 Quote Chris Coyle Greer, South Carolina When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk. - Tuco Current builds: Brigantine Phoenix, Hawker Hurricane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vane Posted July 6, 2019 Share #15 Posted July 6, 2019 Well "Easy" might be the wrong word... "manageble" might be better Quote Current builds: HMS Victory (Corel 1:98), HMS Snake (Caldercraft 1:64), HMBV Granado (Caldercraft 1:64), HMS Diana (Caldercraft 1:64), HMS Speedy (Vanguard Models 1:64) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Posted July 6, 2019 Share #16 Posted July 6, 2019 Actually if you dont mind the look of an admiralty style model or just a planked hull model, 1:48 is my scale choice. The low but long cases are not an issue to display. Having at least one in your collection is a must in my opinion. The experience of building a larger frigate is something I think everyone should consider at least once. I used to think the same thing actually but now that I have started on one, the build experience is far more enjoyable. I am fortunate to have started a 32 gun frigate in 1:64 many years ago and it is incomplete. But I have just restarted the project in a larger 1"48 scale. The build experience is very different and much more enjoyable when I compare the two. Looking back at the smaller version I wonder why I even attempted building it....it makes for a much more tedious and frustrating experience. Although I know a few people who are building frigates in 1:96 scale. I dont think I would enjoy that building process at all. But yes, displaying it would be easier. If I knew that I was going to spend possibly years building something, I would want to enjoy the process with as little frustration from the small parts as possible. I would rather think about solutions for their eventual display rather than suffer through two years of building something tiny. Maybe thin the heard a bit to make room for the larger model. Also, your skills probably improved over time and culling out your earlier models built to a lesser degree of craftsmanship is something I dont mind doing. MEDDO, paulsutcliffe, chris watton and 4 others 7 Quote Chuck Passaro - MSW Admin Sloop Speedwell - POF scratch Block Island Boat - POF scratch HMS Winchelsea - POB scratch build HM Cutter Cheerful - POB scratch build Royal Barge - POF scratch Medway Longboat- POF Scratch SYREN SHIP MODEL COMPANY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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