Vane Posted July 20, 2020 Share #811 Posted July 20, 2020 Thats a Beauty! BobG, chris watton and mtaylor 3 Current builds: HMS Victory (Corel 1:98), HMS Snake (Caldercraft 1:64), HMBV Granado (Caldercraft 1:64), HMS Diana (Caldercraft 1:64), HMS Speedy (Vanguard Models 1:64) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobG Posted July 20, 2020 Share #812 Posted July 20, 2020 This is a beautiful and interesting model to add to your line-up. I'm glad you aren't just focusing on big warships only. Will this model have masts, rigging and sails? chris watton 1 Bob Garcia "Measure once, cuss twice!" Current Builds: Hms Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 - Vanguard Models Pen Duick - Artesania Latina 1:28 Completed: Medway Longboat 1742 - Syren Ship Model Co. Member of the Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris watton Posted July 20, 2020 Author Share #813 Posted July 20, 2020 Thank you! this is still in development stages, I haven't done a single line drawing for it yet for kit plans, but I really wanted to get the designs and all cut files nailed before moving on. Good job too, as it has gone few quite a few design changes. I do all laser cutting in house, and all PE is done in Italy. I should mention that there will only be one version of this kit, as I want to sell it only with materials I have tested when building the prototypes, but it will be very high quality. I think the pear suits this model perfectly, and only painted what I felt I needed to, and left as much as I can unpainted. ETA - It is ship rigged, so three masts this time, but I feel this would look better with a lateen style mizzen yard. Ah, also, forgot to mention, like the Zulu and Fifie models, this has the same rabbet system, but with a little more detail etched into the parts Jonny 007, mtaylor, coxswain and 8 others 11 Vanguard Models on Facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobG Posted July 20, 2020 Share #814 Posted July 20, 2020 On 7/15/2020 at 12:10 PM, chris watton said: Anyway, I can say that I have all materials in and ready for both versions of Flirt. I am waiting for the plans, manual and boxes and labels to be delivered. Chris, will the Flirt be available from Ages of Sail in the near future as well. I ask since I live only about 1 & 1/2 hours from the store and it would eliminate shipping costs cost from across the pond. mtaylor 1 Bob Garcia "Measure once, cuss twice!" Current Builds: Hms Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 - Vanguard Models Pen Duick - Artesania Latina 1:28 Completed: Medway Longboat 1742 - Syren Ship Model Co. Member of the Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris watton Posted July 20, 2020 Author Share #815 Posted July 20, 2020 Just now, BobG said: Chris, will the Flirt be available from Ages of Sail in the near future as well. I ask since I live only about 1 & 1/2 hours from the store and it would eliminate shipping costs cost from across the pond. Yes, as soon as they are boxed, I will be sending some to them. Ryland Craze, BobG and mtaylor 3 Vanguard Models on Facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccoyle Posted July 20, 2020 Share #816 Posted July 20, 2020 Wow. Again! mtaylor and chris watton 2 Chris Coyle Greer, South Carolina When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk. - Tuco Current builds: Brigantine Phoenix, Hawker Hurricane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris watton Posted July 20, 2020 Author Share #817 Posted July 20, 2020 Here is a pic of one of the earlier stages, after second planking. I decided to add 'sacrificial' cross beams to the upper bulkhead tabs to eliminate the chances of breaking them when in planking stages. I thought of this after I planked, so in the kit, the beams are designed better to fit, rather than the ones in the pic. Also, I added etched line on the pre cut second layer. These lines are the painting positions, so the hull can be masked at these lines and the blue and red backgrounds painted before adding the pre cut rail pattern. This really helped as trying to paint in-between each rail would have took a long time, with probably not as neat an end result. KingDavid, realworkingsailor, mtaylor and 15 others 18 Vanguard Models on Facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffT Posted July 20, 2020 Share #818 Posted July 20, 2020 Thats a beautiful ship model. chris watton and mtaylor 2 Jeff In progress: Medway Longboat 1742 - Syren Ship Model Company -1/2" scale USS Constitution - Model Shipways - Scale 1:76 HMS Granado - CAF Model - 1:48 HMS Sphinx - Vanguard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardkenway Posted July 20, 2020 Share #819 Posted July 20, 2020 Nice!!! Loving the gingerbread decorations. chris watton and mtaylor 2 Current builds; Henry Ramey Upcher 1:25 Providence whaleboat- 1:25 HMS Winchelsea 1764 1:48 Completed: HM Cutter Sherbourne- 1:64- finished Triton cross section scratch- 1:60 - finished Non ship: SBD-3 Dauntless 1:48 Hasegawa -FINISHED Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glbarlow Posted July 20, 2020 Share #820 Posted July 20, 2020 Very nice. What is the history of a ship like this. Very different (and interesting) from warships (and most common models) as gun platforms with 6 cannon and more space dedicated to what I guess are cabins? chris watton and mtaylor 2 Regards, Glenn Current Build: HMS Winchelsea Completed Builds: HM Flirt (paused) HM Cutter Cheerful, Lady Nelson, Amati HMS Vanguard, HMS Pegasus, Fair American, HM Granado, HM Pickle, AVS, Pride of Baltimore, Bluenose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris watton Posted July 20, 2020 Author Share #821 Posted July 20, 2020 16 minutes ago, glbarlow said: Very nice. What is the history of a ship like this. Very different (and interesting) from warships (and most common models) as gun platforms with 6 cannon and more space dedicated to what I guess are cabins? I am unsure of the history, I just knew I wanted to do it when I looked over the plans. Druxey did find something out, and I have a feeling the vessel is the same as what is referred to in this passage from a Wikipedia page: "Duchess of Kingston She lived for a time in Calais, and became mistress to Stefano Zannowich. 1777, after her acceptance by Russian royalty, the two had a boat built then made a spectacular entrance sailing into Kronstadt, the port of Saint Petersburg. In the Governorate of Estonia, she bought 3 properties: Toila, Orro, and Fockenhoff, consolidating them into an estate she named "Chudleigh". She planned to create a 'model Brit estate', imported spaniels and pointers and a collection of plants. She lived there in a clifftop house with a view of the Baltic Sea." ccoyle, coxswain, gieb8688 and 5 others 8 Vanguard Models on Facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glbarlow Posted July 20, 2020 Share #822 Posted July 20, 2020 9 minutes ago, chris watton said: made a spectacular entrance It’s all about the entrance 😁 mtaylor, mugje and chris watton 3 Regards, Glenn Current Build: HMS Winchelsea Completed Builds: HM Flirt (paused) HM Cutter Cheerful, Lady Nelson, Amati HMS Vanguard, HMS Pegasus, Fair American, HM Granado, HM Pickle, AVS, Pride of Baltimore, Bluenose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkuehn Posted July 21, 2020 Share #823 Posted July 21, 2020 1 hour ago, chris watton said: Fockenhoff This is what my wife thinks of my boat building. pythagoras, dvm27, chris watton and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Greig Posted July 21, 2020 Share #824 Posted July 21, 2020 Marvelous looking and interesting model. I like the comment from Wahka_est "One man army against the big manufacturers"! Malcolm chris watton and mtaylor 2 Completed builds; Caldercraft Mars; Vanguard Alert, Amati Revenge On the shelf; Vanguard DOK & the Sphinx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mugje Posted July 21, 2020 Share #825 Posted July 21, 2020 Really nice design again! You are doing very well with so much designs in such a short time chris watton and mtaylor 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wahka_est Posted July 21, 2020 Share #826 Posted July 21, 2020 Chris, is there a list of all the designs that you have made in your lifetime? chris watton, mtaylor, Kevin and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted July 21, 2020 Share #827 Posted July 21, 2020 woke the wife up at 0400 this morning, to show her this, @chris watton design got a better response than i received glbarlow, mtaylor, chris watton and 2 others 5 Its all part of Kev's journey, bit like going to the dark side, but with the lights on All the best Kevin SAY NO TO PIRACY. SUPPORT ORIGINAL IDEAS AND MANUFACTURERS. KEEP IT REAL! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ On the build table HMS Indefatigable 1794 by Kevin - Vanguard Models - 1:64 - Feb 2023 HMHS Britannic by Kevin SD 14 - Marcle Models - 1/70 - March 2022 - Bluebell - Flower Class - Revel - 1/72 U552 German U Boat - Trumpeter - 1/48 Amerigo Vespucci 1/84 - Panart- HMS Enterprise -CAF - 1/48 Finished St-Nectan-Mountfleet-models-steam-trawler-1/32 - Completed June 2020 HMS Victory - Caldercraft/Jotika - 1/72 - Finished Dorade renamed Dora by Kevin - Amati - 1/20 - Completed March 2021 Stage Coach 1848 - Artesania Latina - 1/10 -Finished Lady Eleanor by Kevin - FINISHED - Vanguard Models - 1/64 - Fifie fishing boat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccoyle Posted July 21, 2020 Share #828 Posted July 21, 2020 33 minutes ago, Kevin said: woke the wife up at 0400 this morning, to show her this, @chris watton design got a better response than i received Stuff like this is why we need an LOL button. Rustyj, mugje, Edwardkenway and 6 others 9 Chris Coyle Greer, South Carolina When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk. - Tuco Current builds: Brigantine Phoenix, Hawker Hurricane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amateur Posted July 21, 2020 Share #829 Posted July 21, 2020 I had decided that my house became too small for another dull size wooden model, but now I am seriously, very seriously tempted indeed..... How many months do I have to turn the missus around? Jan mtaylor and chris watton 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris watton Posted July 21, 2020 Author Share #830 Posted July 21, 2020 I am hoping for a November release, all depends how long the CAD drawings take me. I cannot go much further until I have done hull and deck elevations, mast, yard and rigging plans, as I will need to work from these to make sure everything's OK. Lazy day today, though, as I am almost burnt out... ETA - Flirt boxes arrived today, and printed plans, manual and box labels arrive Thursday. All I will be waiting for after this are the shipping sleeves, which I ordered today, after measuring the new box sizes. mugje, DelF, mtaylor and 4 others 7 Vanguard Models on Facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wahka_est Posted July 21, 2020 Share #831 Posted July 21, 2020 Do you maybe need help with converting drawings? You can pm me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris watton Posted July 21, 2020 Author Share #832 Posted July 21, 2020 8 minutes ago, Wahka_est said: Do you maybe need help with converting drawings? You can pm me. Thank you, but no, I need to do the drawings from scratch, using the parts I have designed. The actual plans that I get the lines off are used only once to get all relevant lines and details, which are then expanded on to design the kit parts. After this, I will be working on larger stuff, but being larger, they will take more time. I have been worrying about material and final kit costs for larger kits. I am thinking that perhaps I could do standard kits using limewood for laser cut parts, and for those who do not mind paying more, have a pearwood edition. Or would most just prefer to pay more for the better (and much stronger) wood? I have a choice of 4 I really want to do next, and it's damn hard deciding which - head tells me one thing, heart pulls in the other direction.... mtaylor and Ryland Craze 2 Vanguard Models on Facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgan Posted July 21, 2020 Share #833 Posted July 21, 2020 Perhaps the moderators can help you set up a poll to get a more in depth opinion from the forum, it’s hard to know from a few comments and exchanges. You have established a brand and quality / feel to the kits that go together, I would personally go with a stronger wood, but the cost may, as you indicate, disenfranchise people on larger kits, but you can also make the argument that on a larger kit if your going to spend the money why would you skimp. Customer survey required! Gary chris watton and mtaylor 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glbarlow Posted July 21, 2020 Share #834 Posted July 21, 2020 I don’t think lime wood is much of a differentiator, but that’s just me. I’d pay (and have;-) for something better than what other kit manufacturers offer. Rustyj, Gord-Canada, chris watton and 4 others 7 Regards, Glenn Current Build: HMS Winchelsea Completed Builds: HM Flirt (paused) HM Cutter Cheerful, Lady Nelson, Amati HMS Vanguard, HMS Pegasus, Fair American, HM Granado, HM Pickle, AVS, Pride of Baltimore, Bluenose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rustyj Posted July 21, 2020 Share #835 Posted July 21, 2020 I also feel that if I'm buying a kit the additional cost for better materials is the way I'll always go. Can't wait to see what else your head and heart come up with. mtaylor, chris watton, Gord-Canada and 1 other 4 Rusty "So Long For Now" Current Builds: Speedwell Completed Build Logs: HMS Winchelsea 1/48 Duchess of Kingston USF Confederacy , US Brig Syren , Triton Cross Section , Bomb Vessel Cross Section, Cutter Cheerful, Queen Anne Barge, Medway Longboat Completed Build Gallery: Brig Syren , 1870 Mississippi Riverboat , 1949 Chris-Craft 19' Runabout Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenD Posted July 21, 2020 Share #836 Posted July 21, 2020 I agree with Gary that you could do a vote for the next kit if your really divided one what to do next. So far I know you want to do the Bellona, Leopard, and the Indefatigable. I'm looking for a frigate for my next build and I would be willing to drop $800 on a good one. chris watton, mtaylor, ErnieL and 2 others 5 Ropes of Scale.com - Rope and cable for the scale modeler. Finished builds: HM Cutter Sherbourne - Caldercraft - 1:64 - 9th century longship - Falkonet - 1:72 Current builds: HMS Snake - Caldercraft - 1:64 - Tender Avos by BenD - Master Korabel - 1:72 - 19th Century Four-Oared Yawl by BenD - Falkonet - 1:24 scale Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris watton Posted July 21, 2020 Author Share #837 Posted July 21, 2020 Cheers The problem is that I no longer want to design 'block models', which the majority of mainstream kits are - just a keel and a few bulkheads and one full deck, perhaps one more not so full deck for larger kits and a few white metal parts or blocks of wood to fill in the design/production time saving gaps. When I populate the lower decks, the amount of materials (and cutting time) increases many fold. But this is the way I want to design the larger kits, as this is what I would want if I were choosing a kit. I like having the gratings put to one side so I can see down to the depths of the vessel, not have pretend shutters to hide the fact there's nothing there. Also for larger models, the new method of designing the gun port surrounds uses a lot of material, but I think, again, it is worth it, as it eliminates completely any ambiguity of having to mark out or, if it's a pre cut part, misaligning the ports. I guess my aim is to try and eliminate the guesswork involved in making the kits and make it as painless as I can. Some are expert and much better than me at building models, but there are many who do need an extra hand, and it is to these people I try and think about the most. The most experienced always go their own way anyway. I am always astonished at what some of you guys can do with the simplest of kits and make them your own. Landlubber Mike, dvm27, Cabbie and 17 others 20 Vanguard Models on Facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn-UK Posted July 21, 2020 Share #838 Posted July 21, 2020 Better quality every time, my experience with poor quality materials from Model Space confirms that in my opinion chris watton and DelF 2 Glenn (UK) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris watton Posted July 21, 2020 Author Share #839 Posted July 21, 2020 5 minutes ago, BenD said: I agree with Gary that you could do a vote for the next kit if your really divided one what to do next. So far I know you want to do the Bellona, Leopard, and the Indefatigable. I'm looking for a frigate for my next build and I would be willing to drop $800 on a good one. It will be one of these Murphy, coxswain, Swede and 7 others 10 Vanguard Models on Facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenD Posted July 21, 2020 Share #840 Posted July 21, 2020 I can't tell what ship the top three are but the Sphinx on the bottom looks like a 24 gun. It's the 1775 one right? Ropes of Scale.com - Rope and cable for the scale modeler. Finished builds: HM Cutter Sherbourne - Caldercraft - 1:64 - 9th century longship - Falkonet - 1:72 Current builds: HMS Snake - Caldercraft - 1:64 - Tender Avos by BenD - Master Korabel - 1:72 - 19th Century Four-Oared Yawl by BenD - Falkonet - 1:24 scale Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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