Heronguy Posted June 18, 2019 Share #151 Posted June 18, 2019 I think a sleeve over the box or a stiffener on the inside perimeter of the box would go a long way to preserving your shipments from enthusiastic package handlers. My box a only minor efforts from the shippers! (They really should take more care) mtaylor, Canute, CaptainSteve and 1 other 4 Doug Current Builds: Bluenose II - AL / Krabbenkutter / Prince de Neufchatel / Essex Cross-section / Syren / Barque Stefano / Winchelsea / Half Hull / Maria HF31 - Dusek / Bandirma - Turkmodel On the Shelf: Santisima Trinidad and Cross Section / HMS Cutter Alert / Tender AVOS / Confederacy Suspended Build: Bluenose II - Billing Boats Nr 600 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kusawa2000 Posted June 18, 2019 Share #152 Posted June 18, 2019 (edited) Chris: Just checked out your website and congrats on it now being active. I was happy to notice that you have the Bellona on your planned kits link. As a long standing member of the "release the Bellona as a kit" club, I eagerly awaits its release. I have been following your kit development over the years and glad to see your consistency in maintaining a standard of quality in kits as well as your interest in getting interesting kits out there. Keep up the good work and dont hesitate to bump up the Bellona release date a few months or so! 🙂 MIKE Edited June 18, 2019 by Kusawa2000 Jorge Diaz O, chris watton, CaptainSteve and 3 others 6 Mike Draper Whitehorse, Yukon Canada Member, Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Greig Posted June 18, 2019 Share #153 Posted June 18, 2019 Ordered the Alert today despite having the Amati Revenge on the shelf, a 3/4 built Caldercraft Mars on the work bench (and the artesania latina Endeavor in the bin) but felt support of Chris and his efforts was something I'd like to be part of. I'll state publicly that I will complete the Alert. It looks a little beauty. Malcolm CaptainSteve, chris watton, mtaylor and 5 others 8 Completed builds; Caldercraft Mars; Vanguard Alert, Amati Revenge On the shelf; Vanguard DOK & the Sphinx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurt Johnson Posted June 18, 2019 Share #154 Posted June 18, 2019 Chris, Sorry that you’re new adventure had a mishap. I personally wasn’t very upset, and am more than satisfied with things. The speed that the kit got to me was amazing, I’ve gotten quite a number of things from the UK over the years and nothing had arrived that quickly before. It was out of your control. Someone at the one of the airports was having a bad day. A pallet probably slipped off of a forklift. I’m sure the kits were all bundled together and damaged at the same time and not individually. The kit is beautiful, by the way. I won’t even be inconvenienced in building her, because the part that broke isn’t needed until later on. Push come to shove, I could use the mate of that part to create a replacement. But it seems that you already have another on it’s way. Thanks to both you and your wife. Kurt CaptainSteve, mtaylor, Canute and 2 others 5 Member: Ship Model Society of New Jersey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimvanlan99 Posted June 18, 2019 Share #155 Posted June 18, 2019 Chris, And I, too, am not upset about the condition of the model. I hope you did not take my earlier comments that way. I just thought you would like to see pictures of the condition of the box, which you evidently did since you said you were sending some of the photos to UPS. I think the model looks great, and I look forward to working on it, although it may be several months before I do so since I already have two models in the boatyard. I think you are off to a great start with your company and I wish you all the best. Jim chris watton, Canute, mtaylor and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris watton Posted June 18, 2019 Author Share #156 Posted June 18, 2019 (edited) Thanks guys Of all the worries I had yesterday, damaged kits wasn't one of them. I was worried whether you guys would like the kit when you opened the box, never thought for a second they would arrive so beat up! Also, it's mad that the US and Canadian guys receive their kits before the UK orders, I do not understand that! I should be getting a quote for thick cardboard sleeves sometime today. I did have some tiny boxes arrive today, for the figures, looks like these will be quite safe. ETA - the Alert manual is a3 size, I chose this size because I knew I could just about fit the Alert 64th scale profiles on this size, so I could have everything, instruction and plans-wise all in one manual. Plus, I always hated how small the text kept getting in new kits, needing a microscope to read anything - I wanted to redress this... Speedy will probably have an A4 manual and separate plan sheets for profiles and mast, yard and rigging, as that's a little bigger. Edited June 18, 2019 by chris watton Rustyj, Blue Ensign, JpR62 and 19 others 22 Vanguard Models on Facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurt Johnson Posted June 18, 2019 Share #157 Posted June 18, 2019 Chris, Definitely do a Jack Nasty Face figure or 3! Kurt JpR62, Canute, mtaylor and 1 other 4 Member: Ship Model Society of New Jersey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Ensign Posted June 18, 2019 Share #158 Posted June 18, 2019 (edited) Not a long journey, in my case, a mere 76 miles, but my Alert has arrived, delivered by UPS at 2pm. Everything intact but I think it would save Chris some problems down the line if he does invest in a stronger box, the long sides gave little support to protect the contents. Not had chance to fully examine all the contents but the materials look good and I love the A3 instruction manual, beautifully produced, and what a bonus for my tired old eyes. Liked the touch of a personally addressed note inside the box.👍 Thank you Chris, I look forward to hopefully doing your Alert justice. B.E. Edited June 18, 2019 by Blue Ensign Duplicate photo Cabbie, Haliburton, James H and 13 others 16 Current Build: HMS Indefatigable-1794-by-blue-ensign-vanguard-models-164-scale Medway-longboat-1742-by-blue-ensign-½”-scale Completed builds: HMS Sphinx 1775 by Blue Ensign. 1:64 scale - Vanguard Models Queen-Anne-Royal-Barge-circa-1700-by-Blue-Ensign Fifie fishing boat Lady Eleanor Muirneag-1903-–-a-scottish-zulu-fishing-boat-164-scale-based-on-the-vanguard-models-zulu-kit/ HM Cutter Alert 1777 HM Cutter Cheerful 1806 18th-century-English-longboat-by-Blue-Ensign-ms-148-scale/ finished 18thc English Pinnace by Blue Ensign-Model-Shipways-1:24 scale/ finished HMS-Pegasus-by-Blue-Ensign-finished-Victory-Models-1:64-scale/ Heller Seventy-four 1:150 scale - modified Le Superbe/Le Glorieux kit after Boudriot, waterline setting with sails. The schooner Pickle, Jotika pob kit 1:64 scale, my interpretation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurt Johnson Posted June 18, 2019 Share #159 Posted June 18, 2019 BE, I’m very curious to see your interpretation of this fine kit. Kurt CaptainSteve, Canute, Blue Ensign and 2 others 5 Member: Ship Model Society of New Jersey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James H Posted June 18, 2019 Share #160 Posted June 18, 2019 Arrived safely in Lancashire! I'll do a write up in the next days. hollowneck, paulsutcliffe, Jorge Diaz O and 20 others 23 SAY NO TO PIRACY. SUPPORT ORIGINAL IDEAS AND MANUFACTURERS. KEEP IT REAL! On the bench: HMS Indefatigable - 1794 (production prototype), Vanguard Models - 1:64. On Hold: HMS Winchelsea Double Capstan - Syren Ship Models - 1:48 Finished US Baltimore Armed Privateer Schooner Grecian 1812 (prototype) - Vanguard Models - 1:64 'Zulu' fishing boat, Vanguard Models - 1:64 Fifie' fishing boat, Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Flirt 1782, Vanguard Models - 1:64. Duchess of Kingston c.1780 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Sphinx 1775, Vanguard Models - 1:64 ERYCINA - Plymouth Ketch-Rigged Trawler 1882, Vanguard Models - 1:64. 'Nisha' - The Brixham 'Mumble-Bee' - Vanguard Models 1:64 'Saucy Jack' fishing boat - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Ranger 'Barking Fish Carrier' - 1864 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Indeterminate: Tender Avos - Master Korabel - 1:72. H.M.S. Victory (production prototype) - Amati - 1:64. HMS Granado 1742 (cross section) - CAFModel - 1:48 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris watton Posted June 19, 2019 Author Share #161 Posted June 19, 2019 Hi Guys, thank you for all of your comments. I will say that this venture is a new experience for me, doing stuff that others did in the past like putting together the manuals, box art, kit packing etc. We will get better with experience, as some aspects of the kit I am doing for the first time, and is one hell of a learning curve. The main priority right now is box strengthening and making sure all kits get to the customer in perfect condition. realworkingsailor, mtaylor, Ryland Craze and 11 others 14 Vanguard Models on Facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabbie Posted June 19, 2019 Share #162 Posted June 19, 2019 Usually if we are not learning, we are not trying. Got to keep having a go. Looking forward to mine. Cheers Chris mtaylor, Canute, druxey and 1 other 4 HM Cutter Mermaid 1817 HMB Endeavour 1768 by Cabbie - Artesania Latina - 1:60 - Kit Fiddle Every action has a consequence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Rogers Posted June 19, 2019 Share #163 Posted June 19, 2019 Chris you are doing an outstanding job. Small business ownership is not for the weak kneed. Canute, hollowneck, chris watton and 2 others 5 Regards, Jim Rogers Damn the Torpedoes , Full speed ahead. Adm David Farragut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurt Johnson Posted June 20, 2019 Share #164 Posted June 20, 2019 Chris, I received my replacement parts. Thanks for the amazing service! Kurt mtaylor, Rustyj, Canute and 1 other 4 Member: Ship Model Society of New Jersey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffT Posted June 21, 2019 Share #165 Posted June 21, 2019 My Alert kit arrived today. The box survived the long journey and was in good shape. Everything inside the box looks excellent and I love the instructions. chris watton, mtaylor and Canute 3 Jeff In progress: Medway Longboat 1742 - Syren Ship Model Company -1/2" scale USS Constitution - Model Shipways - Scale 1:76 HMS Granado - CAF Model - 1:48 HMS Sphinx - Vanguard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabbie Posted June 21, 2019 Share #166 Posted June 21, 2019 (edited) Woo hoo, Mine arrived today delivered without warning by a courier company but left at Aust post because i wasn't home to receive it. Much quicker than I expected. There was a bit of crush damage to the top of the box, but nothing is broken. Yes, a stiffer cardboard sleeve or inner box is needed. That aside, it looks an absolutely marvelous kit, huge instruction book, extremely comprehensive, should be an absolute delight to build. It is a real credit to you Chris to come up with a quality kit like this, worth every aussie dollar i spent on it. (no jokes about aussie dollars you lot) And thanks to Spyglass for all the help he has given. Cheers Chris Edited June 21, 2019 by Cabbie paulsutcliffe, Mike Y, chris watton and 5 others 8 HM Cutter Mermaid 1817 HMB Endeavour 1768 by Cabbie - Artesania Latina - 1:60 - Kit Fiddle Every action has a consequence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick01 Posted June 21, 2019 Share #167 Posted June 21, 2019 3 hours ago, Cabbie said: it looks an absolutely marvelous kit, huge instruction book, extremely comprehensive, should be an absolute delight to build. Think I may nick over to your place tonight Chris and check it out. If I bring my version of "Mermaid" with me we can compare notes!! 😉 Rick Canute, Cabbie and mtaylor 3 Completed builds:- HM Cutter Mermaid. HMS Endeavour's Longboat Topsail Schooner Enterprize Arab Dhow Sultan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris watton Posted June 21, 2019 Author Share #168 Posted June 21, 2019 OK, we just had our sleeve boxes arrive. These are 6mm thick double walled cardboard - all kits will now be shipped in these: Rustyj, Blue Ensign, James H and 19 others 22 Vanguard Models on Facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James H Posted June 21, 2019 Share #169 Posted June 21, 2019 25 minutes ago, SpyGlass said: I just released Lord Cochrane for sale on behalf of Chris. Lord Cochrane 1:64 figure Hope the order/shipping process works - this one just goes by mail I have one here and it is amazing! I'll try too get some photos this weekend. Canute, paulsutcliffe, mtaylor and 1 other 4 SAY NO TO PIRACY. SUPPORT ORIGINAL IDEAS AND MANUFACTURERS. KEEP IT REAL! On the bench: HMS Indefatigable - 1794 (production prototype), Vanguard Models - 1:64. On Hold: HMS Winchelsea Double Capstan - Syren Ship Models - 1:48 Finished US Baltimore Armed Privateer Schooner Grecian 1812 (prototype) - Vanguard Models - 1:64 'Zulu' fishing boat, Vanguard Models - 1:64 Fifie' fishing boat, Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Flirt 1782, Vanguard Models - 1:64. Duchess of Kingston c.1780 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Sphinx 1775, Vanguard Models - 1:64 ERYCINA - Plymouth Ketch-Rigged Trawler 1882, Vanguard Models - 1:64. 'Nisha' - The Brixham 'Mumble-Bee' - Vanguard Models 1:64 'Saucy Jack' fishing boat - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Ranger 'Barking Fish Carrier' - 1864 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Indeterminate: Tender Avos - Master Korabel - 1:72. H.M.S. Victory (production prototype) - Amati - 1:64. HMS Granado 1742 (cross section) - CAFModel - 1:48 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandpaPhil Posted June 21, 2019 Share #170 Posted June 21, 2019 Very cool! Canute and mtaylor 2 Building: 1:64 HMS Revenge (Victory Models plans) 1:64 Cat Esther (17th Century Dutch Merchant Ships) On the building slip: 1:72 French Ironclad Magenta (original shipyard plans) On hold: 1:98 Mantua HMS Victory (kit bash), 1:96 Shipyard HMS Mercury Favorite finished builds: 1:60 Sampang Good Fortune (Amati plans), 1:200 Orel Ironclad Solferino, 1:72 Schooner Hannah (Hahn plans), 1:72 Privateer Prince de Neufchatel (Chapelle plans), Model Shipways Sultana, Heller La Reale, Encore USS Olympia Goal: Become better than I was yesterday "The hardest part is deciding to try." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris watton Posted June 24, 2019 Author Share #171 Posted June 24, 2019 Just thought I would mention that I have had talks with the nice people at Master-Korabel about their fantastic range of kits and fittings/blocks, and am very happy to announce that Vanguard Models will be the UK stockist for their fine products. I should have some stock arrive next week, with details going on our website soon. Dubz, BenD, Jörgen and 16 others 19 Vanguard Models on Facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted June 24, 2019 Share #172 Posted June 24, 2019 1 hour ago, chris watton said: Just thought I would mention that I have had talks with the nice people at Master-Korabel about their fantastic range of kits and fittings/blocks, and am very happy to announce that Vanguard Models will be the UK stockist for their fine products. I should have some stock arrive next week, with details going on our website soon. Would that save me money in importing one of his kits, James H, chris watton, mtaylor and 1 other 4 Its all part of Kev's journey, bit like going to the dark side, but with the lights on All the best Kevin SAY NO TO PIRACY. SUPPORT ORIGINAL IDEAS AND MANUFACTURERS. KEEP IT REAL! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ On the build table HMS Indefatigable 1794 by Kevin - Vanguard Models - 1:64 - Feb 2023 HMHS Britannic by Kevin SD 14 - Marcle Models - 1/70 - March 2022 - Bluebell - Flower Class - Revel - 1/72 U552 German U Boat - Trumpeter - 1/48 Amerigo Vespucci 1/84 - Panart- HMS Enterprise -CAF - 1/48 Finished St-Nectan-Mountfleet-models-steam-trawler-1/32 - Completed June 2020 HMS Victory - Caldercraft/Jotika - 1/72 - Finished Dorade renamed Dora by Kevin - Amati - 1/20 - Completed March 2021 Stage Coach 1848 - Artesania Latina - 1/10 -Finished Lady Eleanor by Kevin - FINISHED - Vanguard Models - 1/64 - Fifie fishing boat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James H Posted June 24, 2019 Share #173 Posted June 24, 2019 5 hours ago, Kevin said: Would that save me money in importing one of his kits, No excuse not to buy Avos now! chris watton, mtaylor and Canute 3 SAY NO TO PIRACY. SUPPORT ORIGINAL IDEAS AND MANUFACTURERS. KEEP IT REAL! On the bench: HMS Indefatigable - 1794 (production prototype), Vanguard Models - 1:64. On Hold: HMS Winchelsea Double Capstan - Syren Ship Models - 1:48 Finished US Baltimore Armed Privateer Schooner Grecian 1812 (prototype) - Vanguard Models - 1:64 'Zulu' fishing boat, Vanguard Models - 1:64 Fifie' fishing boat, Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Flirt 1782, Vanguard Models - 1:64. Duchess of Kingston c.1780 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Sphinx 1775, Vanguard Models - 1:64 ERYCINA - Plymouth Ketch-Rigged Trawler 1882, Vanguard Models - 1:64. 'Nisha' - The Brixham 'Mumble-Bee' - Vanguard Models 1:64 'Saucy Jack' fishing boat - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Ranger 'Barking Fish Carrier' - 1864 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Indeterminate: Tender Avos - Master Korabel - 1:72. H.M.S. Victory (production prototype) - Amati - 1:64. HMS Granado 1742 (cross section) - CAFModel - 1:48 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris watton Posted June 25, 2019 Author Share #174 Posted June 25, 2019 18 hours ago, Kevin said: Would that save me money in importing one of his kits, Absolutely! Have decided of a slight change of tack for third Vanguard Models kit, Bristol will now be the forth kit. Canute, mtaylor and Kevin 3 Vanguard Models on Facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgan Posted June 25, 2019 Share #175 Posted June 25, 2019 Ordered the Alert on Saturday, delivered today at lunchtime, great service. Also, the external sleeve is really substantial so no damage. I also like the internal packaging which unlike other manufacturers fills the box helping to protect the material and fittings in transit. Well done Chris. So what’s this ‘new third’ kit your teasing? Gary Viggen, Murphy, mtaylor and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted June 25, 2019 Share #176 Posted June 25, 2019 6 hours ago, chris watton said: Absolutely! Have decided of a slight change of tack for third Vanguard Models kit, Bristol will now be the forth kit. Is it going to be the one that MSW FB fb was reviewing mtaylor, Canute and chris watton 3 Its all part of Kev's journey, bit like going to the dark side, but with the lights on All the best Kevin SAY NO TO PIRACY. SUPPORT ORIGINAL IDEAS AND MANUFACTURERS. KEEP IT REAL! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ On the build table HMS Indefatigable 1794 by Kevin - Vanguard Models - 1:64 - Feb 2023 HMHS Britannic by Kevin SD 14 - Marcle Models - 1/70 - March 2022 - Bluebell - Flower Class - Revel - 1/72 U552 German U Boat - Trumpeter - 1/48 Amerigo Vespucci 1/84 - Panart- HMS Enterprise -CAF - 1/48 Finished St-Nectan-Mountfleet-models-steam-trawler-1/32 - Completed June 2020 HMS Victory - Caldercraft/Jotika - 1/72 - Finished Dorade renamed Dora by Kevin - Amati - 1/20 - Completed March 2021 Stage Coach 1848 - Artesania Latina - 1/10 -Finished Lady Eleanor by Kevin - FINISHED - Vanguard Models - 1/64 - Fifie fishing boat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James H Posted June 25, 2019 Share #177 Posted June 25, 2019 1 hour ago, Kevin said: Is it going to be the one that MSW FB fb was reviewing No, that was the FIRST one! 🤣 mtaylor, Canute and chris watton 3 SAY NO TO PIRACY. SUPPORT ORIGINAL IDEAS AND MANUFACTURERS. KEEP IT REAL! On the bench: HMS Indefatigable - 1794 (production prototype), Vanguard Models - 1:64. On Hold: HMS Winchelsea Double Capstan - Syren Ship Models - 1:48 Finished US Baltimore Armed Privateer Schooner Grecian 1812 (prototype) - Vanguard Models - 1:64 'Zulu' fishing boat, Vanguard Models - 1:64 Fifie' fishing boat, Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Flirt 1782, Vanguard Models - 1:64. Duchess of Kingston c.1780 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Sphinx 1775, Vanguard Models - 1:64 ERYCINA - Plymouth Ketch-Rigged Trawler 1882, Vanguard Models - 1:64. 'Nisha' - The Brixham 'Mumble-Bee' - Vanguard Models 1:64 'Saucy Jack' fishing boat - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Ranger 'Barking Fish Carrier' - 1864 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Indeterminate: Tender Avos - Master Korabel - 1:72. H.M.S. Victory (production prototype) - Amati - 1:64. HMS Granado 1742 (cross section) - CAFModel - 1:48 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted June 25, 2019 Share #178 Posted June 25, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, James H said: No, that was the FIRST one! 🤣 Yes i got that wrong i was actually stalking your page James and saw the Fife build Edited June 25, 2019 by Kevin Canute, chris watton and mtaylor 3 Its all part of Kev's journey, bit like going to the dark side, but with the lights on All the best Kevin SAY NO TO PIRACY. SUPPORT ORIGINAL IDEAS AND MANUFACTURERS. KEEP IT REAL! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ On the build table HMS Indefatigable 1794 by Kevin - Vanguard Models - 1:64 - Feb 2023 HMHS Britannic by Kevin SD 14 - Marcle Models - 1/70 - March 2022 - Bluebell - Flower Class - Revel - 1/72 U552 German U Boat - Trumpeter - 1/48 Amerigo Vespucci 1/84 - Panart- HMS Enterprise -CAF - 1/48 Finished St-Nectan-Mountfleet-models-steam-trawler-1/32 - Completed June 2020 HMS Victory - Caldercraft/Jotika - 1/72 - Finished Dorade renamed Dora by Kevin - Amati - 1/20 - Completed March 2021 Stage Coach 1848 - Artesania Latina - 1/10 -Finished Lady Eleanor by Kevin - FINISHED - Vanguard Models - 1/64 - Fifie fishing boat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris watton Posted June 26, 2019 Author Share #179 Posted June 26, 2019 10 hours ago, Morgan said: Ordered the Alert on Saturday, delivered today at lunchtime, great service. Also, the external sleeve is really substantial so no damage. I also like the internal packaging which unlike other manufacturers fills the box helping to protect the material and fittings in transit. Well done Chris. So what’s this ‘new third’ kit your teasing? Gary Thank you, Gary. I am so pleased the external sleeves are doing their job. A nice company made them for me, after giving dimensions. I received them two days later. The third kit is something that my head has been telling me to do, but my heart wants me to do Bristol a bigger 'wow' kit), but at this stage, the one I have chosen makes more sense, as it will be pretty... Edwardkenway, Morgan, coxswain and 7 others 10 Vanguard Models on Facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Greig Posted June 27, 2019 Share #180 Posted June 27, 2019 I agree, my Alert arrived all the way to New Zealand safe and sound (very well packaged). The kit contents and instruction manual look fantastic. Congratulations Chris on this kit. What a great start. Malcolm chris watton, Jörgen, Canute and 2 others 5 Completed builds; Caldercraft Mars; Vanguard Alert, Amati Revenge On the shelf; Vanguard DOK & the Sphinx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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