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13 hours ago, Ab Hoving said:

For the time being you get the benefit of the doubt. If this really works it would be a fantastic system. But how to deal with ending planks in the bow and extra planks in the stern? Like here:

 

You really got my attention, Marcus.

Ab, 

I would not use these joints at the stems of the bow and stern. Similar to the picture if that ship in your post. Monday I will do a practice strake and post it so you can see. 

Marcus 

Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman

 

Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better"

 

Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia).

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I could not wait till Monday so I did a strake next to the keel. Started with a straight butt beginning at the lowest wale and continued with the Dutch scarphs. Used 4 pieces of 20cm long cherry planks and a little piece to finish the strake. 

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Creating joints when the wood is wet, let the planks completely dry and then glue them together on the hull works well. 

Marcus 

Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman

 

Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better"

 

Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia).

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Don't you think it would be wise to mark the lines of the bottom, the bilges and the lower wale on the hull before applying any strakes? That way you can monitor the various widths of the planking to avoid nasty corrections higher up the hull.

The bottom is roughly 2/3 of the total width, the top of the bilges were mostly reached with three (sometimes 4) strakes. The position of the lower wale is there already, but has to be fine-tuned to ensure a fluent line. This is essential!

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When the weather is warm I don't work on the boat, I work outside in the garden. We did have some rain in between so I worked a bit on the Fluit.

I used tracing paper and copied the curvature of the wales from the plan and transferred the lines to the hull.

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Compared to what I initially installed as the lower wale, the one on the plan follows the curve of the Fluit better. My original wale has a too steep of a curve towards the center of the hull. 

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Then attached 2 long planks as a temporary lowere wale. 

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It takes about 8 strakes from the keel to the bilge and 6 strakes from the bilge to the lower wale. 

Marcus 

 

Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman

 

Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better"

 

Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia).

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Started with the second layer of planking and using cherry as the 2nd layer and walnut for the wales. Practicing with getting the scarphs correctly placed together and doing it near the keel as this is an area which most people will not see if I make a mistake. Once I get to the bilge area I should be good at it.

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I will be planking for a while. :D
Marcus

Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman

 

Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better"

 

Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia).

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Thanks, Carl. I am learning a lot from modelbouwforum.nl. There are several modelers that have built or are building fluits. 

Marcus 

Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman

 

Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better"

 

Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia).

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Thank you for all the likes and comments. 

 

2nd layer of planking continues.
I have looked at other planking from Fluits on a Dutch forum and they are different for every fluit build. Some have close to the same as my Zeehaen.

My bow is not as bluff as some of the ships in 17th century Dutch merchant ships book. So there are mistakes I have made. I sanded too much wood from the bow and instead of a tight and small curve, it is a much larger curve. It has been suggested I should fill it out where my bow is dented. I will do that through planking.

This is not the only Fluit I am building, I plan to do another one with cannons and will be smaller in length but the same scale.

So I did a few more strakes. Two strakes a day.
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Scarph joints ar3 working out very well.

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Adding steelers at the early stage of planking.

Marcus

Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman

 

Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better"

 

Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia).

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My gadget for cutting scarph joints. Piece of 1mm thick brass at 25mm total length and the curved areas are each 2.5mm long.

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So the straight area is 20mm long. I use a x-acto knife holder to hold the 'scarph joint cutter blade' and with a hammer pound on the cutter to create the joints.

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Also I filed an edge on the cutter. 

Marcus 

Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman

 

Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better"

 

Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia).

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Your scarf joint cutter is a great idea.  Beats trying to cut with a saw and then file to match.

Mark
"The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me

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Hi Marcus, still going strong I see.

 

Listen, I tried to locate on 2 Dutch Forums the flute builds you mention.  I downloaded the pics from 2 builders from over 6 years ago on Modelbrouwers?  And they were a great inspiration for me, both on things to do and problems to avoid.

Could you please give me the links to these builds?  Thank you in advance, and go on with the good work!

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https://www.modelbouwforum.nl/threads/ghost-ship-schaal-1-28.262681/

 

https://www.modelbouwforum.nl/threads/2017-fluitschip-sint-laurens-1675-1-87.206710/

 

Hans from the Kolderstok company told me that the next kit he is putting together is the Fluit Zeehaen. 

Marcus 

Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman

 

Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better"

 

Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia).

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Thanks for all the compliments, comments and likes.
 
We've been having some very nice weather (30 to 34°C, I love the heat) so no work on the boat. Nice weather = outside in the garden.
 
Did do a few strakes here and there last week.
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Scarph joints. 
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Creating the joints is working out nicely. I am very happy with the progress I am making. 
Marcus

Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman

 

Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better"

 

Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia).

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YankeeD and Jean-Pierre, thank you for the compliments. 

Marcus 

Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman

 

Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better"

 

Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia).

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Very nice scarphs, Marcus. A lovely bit of planking.

 

Oh, and although "Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia)." I grew up in Western Australia. In Primary school we had a history book called "Australia Since 1606", which covered de Vlamingh and Dirck Hartog, the pewter plate at Shark Bay, and the naming of the Swan River and Rottnest Island.

 

And the Fremantle Shipwreck Museum's display space is devoted almost entirely to artefacts from the Vergulde Draeck and the Zuytdorp, and of course artefacts and the remnants of the hull of the Batavia. So the Dutch discovery of Australia certainly hasn't been forgotten, particularly in Western Australia. In fact the western half of the continent (when they didn't know it was all one big island) was known as New Holland right up until the time of Matthew Flinders, who circumnavigated the continent and coined the name Australia.

 

Steven

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Steven, 

Thank you for the history lesson and thank you for the compliment on the scarphs and tbe planking. 

Marcus 

Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman

 

Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better"

 

Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia).

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Continue to add cherry planking. Slow process especially if I do it with scarph joints. 

 

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Stern

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Mid. 

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Bow

Marcus 

Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman

 

Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better"

 

Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia).

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Thanks for the compliments and likes. 

 

Did a few more strakes. Most of the planks are 20cm long and all the joints work out. 

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Marcus 

Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman

 

Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better"

 

Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia).

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Now comes the fun part.
The scarph joints that are next to the stem of the bow are copied from the 'Statenjacht Utrecht book'. I find that it has a neat appearance. What I don't know is that was it used on fluits. It makes sense as these planks need to be hooked into the plank next to it. I have re-done some of the planks like this instead of letting them go into a point (in Dutch that would be, naar niks).
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The following picture shows how the planks will becoming together. Once dry I will cut them lengthwise so two planks become one.
242 Fluit, Zeehaen 2 planks to 1.jpg


In general the width of the cherry planking is between 6.2mm and 6.5mm. Once I started planking the 'hips' of the Fluit, the planks are between 5.9mm and 6.1mm in width. Slightly narrower but it makes for an easier lateral bending of the planks.

I've made several mistakes with shaping the frames of the hull and now I am paying for it by using slightly narrower planks and fiddling with the narrower area in the middle of the hull. Live and learn. I won't be making that mistake on my next Fluit de 'Langewijk'.
Marcus

Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman

 

Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better"

 

Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia).

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Second layer of planking on one side below the upper deck is completed. As I mentioned before planking the bluff bow is an exercise on its own. Planking the hips is not as difficult as I thought.
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244 Fluit, Zeehaen 2nd lyr stern.jpg
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Planking the sides from the upper deck up, should be easy. Once all planked the sanding begins.
Marcus

Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman

 

Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better"

 

Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia).

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The second layer of planking is finished on main area of the hull. What is left is the sides and the hip area.
Once planking is completed there will be much sanding to do to get it all nice and even.
The final planking will be the last planks for the wales.

I did some dry fitting of positioning the different decks and masts as this will give me complete picture of what it will look like.
245 Fluit, Zeehaen mast & deck position.jpg

 

246 Fluit, Zeehaen mast & deck position.jpg

 

247 Fluit, Zeehaen mast & deck position .jpg

 

249 Fluit, Zeehaen bowsprite area.jpg

Marcus

Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman

 

Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better"

 

Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia).

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Today wasn't as hot so I decided to do a rough sanding on the part of the hull that has a second layer of planking.

I sand an area and leaving the sawdust on the hull. Then I take a mixture of glue and water and brush this on the hull mixing with the sawdust pressing this in the cracks that are between the planks. I do this until the cracks are eliminated and the hull is smooth.
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The black square on the bow is where I sanded a bit too much. So I will cut it out and re-plank the area.
252 Fluit, Zeehaen rough sanding.jpg
Marcus

Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman

 

Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better"

 

Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia).

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Repaired the bow and added crack filler.
253 Fluit, Zeehaen patching.jpg

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256 Fluit, Zeehaen sanding.jpg

Did a first sanding of the hull, patched the cracks again and will do a second sanding in the next couple of days.
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After that, will finish the rest of the planking on the sides of the hull. From looking at all the pictures I have from Fluits this area is clinker built. I will continue to study the books.

Marcus

Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman

 

Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better"

 

Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia).

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Thanks for all the likes. 

 

Did some serious sanding of the hull today and it is coming along nicely. Still need to do a few areas. Once done I will plank the sides of the hull. Sand some more and then glue the 3rd and final layer of the wales. 

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Repaired the right side of the bow. 

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Marcus 

Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman

 

Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better"

 

Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia).

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