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Hi, does anyone know how much might be worth the fully assembled Victory model ship from Jumbo Constructo 1:94?

Thank  you

David.

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A complete guess here:

POB,  kit,  subject that is probably one of the three most overdone  :  Victory,  SOS,  Constitution

 

Probably the same as the original kit.

 

I costed out the price of a finished model, if I based it on the $60/hr I was getting from my day job a decade ago  - a billionaire would not pay that much.  On a return per time expended, this is a charitable exercise at best.

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Depend the quality of the model, and the budget of the buyer,

but there are quite a lot of models of vic around.

Prices range froma coup,e of dollars, to absurd (asking) prices, but I guess most go for fairly low prices.

 

Jan

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IMHO it will be unlikely selling it over $50. Easiest thing to try is listing it on eBay with LOCAL PICK UP option instead of shipping. Shipping out of your town might be prohibitive for sale. Start with price you think it is worth. If no one buys during 1st cycle, lower the price and re-list till it sells. Let us know how much you sold it for.

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50 minutes ago, Siol said:

How much is not as much? 

thank  you

d.

sorry with my abrupt answer, many people think that a well made model will go for large amounts of money, but it is rarely the case, unless commission built, there is alwaays a i in a 1000000 chance  that something on the market that someone is looking for but sadly not the one you are referring to

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ok. which modelship could be the most expensive? or all modeshipbuilding is a worthless charitable endeavour?

Thank you

d.

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5 minutes ago, Siol said:

ok. which modelship could be the most expensive? or all modeshipbuilding is a worthless charitable endeavour?

Thank you

d.

Not quite sure where your question is leading, are you building to sell ?

 

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It is just like trying to sell your paintings if you are an fine artist.   Unless you have a track record of sales no matter what the quality of the art which shows some provenance, and you have a name and some following and notoriety in the industry, your art wont sell for that much.  This takes years to develop and usually that means selling through galleries and auction houses.  You will sell them at very low prices at first and then if your lucky.....you will gain a reputation and name for yourself and command higher prices.   Its hard work to do this of course.

 

I have seen good, master quality ship models sell for $30,000 and up...... and I have seen equally good work sell for $100's of dollars.   Mostly because the builder doesnt have the name or reputation that commands higher prices.  Its just the way things work.  A gallery or good nautical reseller will do whatever they can to inflate your name and reputation so it does get more well known......in order to hopefully raise the asking price to match the quality of craftsmanship.   If your work is less than master quality which should be left to others to judge in the industry, then most likely the model will be considered "furniture grade display" like the hundreds of models sold on Ebay and elsewhere.  If you google any nautical auctions from various houses that sold models you will see some outstanding work with final sales prices in the hundreds.  Some maybe around $1500 - $2000.   Most if not all of them are not kits or kit-like.  So without a photo it would be very hard to say.  But I wish you the very best of luck.

 

These can command a few hundred dollars and maybe a bit more as a decorative item at best.   Its a tough racket to break into.

 

 

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For an example.....check out this Victory model which is in a beautiful case with table.  If we as ship model builders tried to just buy this case and table for something we built it would cost more than what the model was sold for at auction.   This model of Victory with additional cross section...... all cased up sold for just $400.  It is a typical kit model nicely made with sails.  Probably a Mamoli kit maybe.

 

https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/24092/lot/392/

 

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I do not mean to discourage you,   developing a reputation and a following takes time.  For example, I was offered $12,000 for my Cheerful not long ago.   I didnt sell it however because its something that needs to be used as part of my business.  I also sold one of my 1/4" pinnace models and 1/4" longboat models to a collector not long ago.   They sold for about $3900 as a pair...all cased up.  Not a huge sum but I made several others that I have decided to keep and how many of these can you have laying around. 

 

For the past 15 years I have just been giving my models away as I complete them....but my wife and kids want to keep a few of them now.  The few models that I have sold were to people who came to me and specifically wanted to buy my model or have me build one for them.  This is a very different situation and one I am grateful for.   My guess is because I dont have much of a name as a frequent seller of models outside of the few who already know me, if I tried to sell one at a gallery or auction,  I would get about $500 as well.   Not enough to cover the cost of the case and materials.  Unless you get someone who seeks you out personally and realizes the value of of your time and expertise and level of craftsmanship, selling them is hard.  It takes work and a lot of time and help to get recognized as a ship model artist that commands decent money for their models.

 

pinfin3.jpg

finishedlongboat6.jpg

 

 

Chuck

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1 hour ago, Chuck said:

It is just like trying to sell your paintings if you are an fine artist.   Unless you have a track record of sales no matter what the quality of the art which shows some provenance, and you have a name and some following and notoriety in the industry, your art wont sell for that much.

    Or another option is for you to die.:o   Most artists works tend to sell for a lot more when that happens, but then the money doesn't exactly do them much good any more.:huh:

 

    The models that I sold myself ended up selling for just the price of the kit or material.  At least that way I recovered that cost, had more room for more models, and had money in hand to buy the next one.  That way I had essentially gotten that model and the fun of building it for free! B)

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5 hours ago, ccoyle said:

 Just to be clear, this is not an MSW officially sanctioned selling technique. 😁

and even if i was my Victory is not going to sell more than its kit price

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No it is semi scratch....you can buy as much of the laser parts as you want.   You must also buy the wood needed separately....   Either from me or from elsewhere.  Its an a la carte build which in concept was presented this way so folks might be tempted to scratch some parts rather than buy the mini kits which are sold separately.   

 

Chuck

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As you may had noticed sealed unopened wood ship kit would almost always cost more than a completed one. Unopened kit is almost as good as money.

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On 6/19/2019 at 4:53 PM, Chuck said:

.........This model of Victory with additional cross section...... all cased up sold for just $400.  It is a typical kit model nicely made with sails.  Probably a Mamoli kit maybe.

 

https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/24092/lot/392/

 

24686974-25-1.jpg&width=640&height=480&a

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Chuck provided a link to Bonhams auction house. They have a presence in NYC and for years they had an annual Nautical auction- I think in the spring- but they have not held the Nautical auction in New York lately, I think the last one was 2016? It would be sad if they have discontinued it but perhaps the market for Nautical stuff has dropped off?

Edited by JerseyCity Frankie

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Some thoughts in this regard..

 

I'm not sure how to go about approaching them, but I heard there  are companies that provide props for movie sets, and the like.

There are also companies that do staging for real estate sales, leasing and etc..

It seems to me a nice ship model  might fit in with these sorts of businesses.. 

It would be a matter of connecting with someone who knows more about these sort of things..

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