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Cheers Dirk, and thanks for looking in Ricky, glad you like it.

 

Post 27

Main Companion way

The style has been taken from the Alert book drawings and is the traditional sliding canopy form. It fits well on the 1:64 scale drawing in the book.

The head ledges have been represented and the pre-formed parts fit together well.

That said there are a few enhancements that can be made to improve the look of the item.

The canopy is a tad thick and could stand some thinning down and the fixed part of the canopy has a slight overhang whereas it should really sit in a recess around the head ledges and coaming.

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I replaced the sliding canopy with some thinner Boxwood sheet and added a slight round up to the head ledges, which allows for a corresponding curve in the canopy.

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I added the runners to the sides so the canopy roof can move to the open position.

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I had early in the build installed a lower deck, and a ladder was constructed which can be seen below the open canopy.

This is simply to give depth to the model and the impression that it is more complete than it is.

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Construction completed, cleaning up and painting now follows.

The wood used for the laser cut parts is quite soft and grainy, this is not unusual in kits and is down to cost.

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I find it difficult to get a good finish even with multiple coats and fine sanding.

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B.E.

28/10/2019

 

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Post 28

 Hatches

Main Hatch

The kit provides a quick and easy method of assembly with pre- cut joints for the Head ledges and coamings, and pe brass  gratings.

A simple arrangement, and this is the first kit I have come across with brass etched gratings. A good idea perhaps at smaller scales but for me wooden gratings look better and are perfectly feasible at 1:64.

The Head ledges lack any round up, and the brass gratings also lack the cut-outs to allow passage of the anchor cables, but I suppose the brass ones could be carefully modified.

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My approach is to use the brass grating as a template to form a Boxwood version, and then build the head ledges and coamings around that, also in Boxwood.

Altho’ the framing will be painted the Boxwood will provide a far better surface to take the paint.

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For the Gratings I am using Chuck’s (Syren) Cambered Boxwood strips and grating jig.

These are a good match for scale and take all the pain out of grating construction.

 

Fore Hatch

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I also adopted the same approach to the Fore hatch and replaced the kit gratings with wooden versions, and included the ladder leading down to the lower deck.

 

The Bread Room scuttle

This is represented in the kit by a solid cover whereas the Alert book drawings show it as a grating.

On my kit the laser cut lid was a poor fit to the provided frame and I discarded both.

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Because I like gratings better than covers, I went with a grating.

This grating is not one of Chuck’s, but a temporary fitting until fresh supplies arrive.

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Having made a few fittings, I will now return to do a few other necessary jobs on the hull, scuppers, ring bolts for the bulwarks, and a rudder coat come to mind.

 

B.E

30/10/2019


 

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Great job adapting the model to what you like.

 

Always love to watch your "changes". :)

Rusty

"So Long For Now" B) 

 

Current Builds: HMS Winchelsea 1/48  Duchess of Kingston

 

Completed Build Logs: USF Confederacy , US Brig Syren , Triton Cross Section , Bomb Vessel Cross SectionCutter CheerfulQueen Anne Barge, Medway Longboat

 

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Good work B.E.,

Those 29 mm barrels of RB look just right to the eye !!  :)

 

Nils

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Thanks, Nils and Dirk,  once they've been adorned with Chuck's little Royal monograms, and blackened I think they'll look spot on. 🙂

 

Post 30 - Bits and pieces.

The Rudder coat

If I am to fit one of these it is best done whilst I can still invert the hull free of all the deck fittings.

I fitted one to Pegasus and I thought one would be appropriate for Alert. I am thinking of water constantly entering the space below the platform deck that would be inevitable without one.

These are tricky little additions to visualise and there is an element of trial and error involved in their making.

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This is a shot of the Rudder coat on Victory.

Not of a particularly aesthetic appearance they attach around the rudder head below the counter, and spread out to cover the rudder port, whilst retaining an element of bagginess to allow the rudder movement.

I make mine from fine handkerchief cotton, the initial pattern is sort of light bulb shaped and having drawn out the pattern the edges are sealed with pva to avoid fraying when cutting out.

The difficult part is building in an element of ‘bag’, as the natural inclination is for the coat to cling too tightly to the counter.

I try to get around this by using cotton wool to fill out the coat before I seal it down.

I remember thinking when I was building Cheerful that those little fibre Horseshoe plates supplied by Chuck may come in useful when fitting a rudder coat to secure the edges to the counter.

Now is the time to find out.

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Stage one is to glue the horseshoe to the outer edges of the coat, whilst pulling up the centre to provide some bag.

Stage two is to use strands of cotton wool to partly fill out the bag.

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Stage three is to glue the assembly thus far to the counter. Once set one side of the bag is glued to the rudder head.

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The bag is then carefully manipulated adding further strands of cotton wool, before gluing the other side to the rudder head.

 Any excess of cotton is painted with diluted pva, and when dried a scalpel blade is used to trim the edges on the rudder head.

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The coat can then be painted with diluted black paint to represent the tarred surface.

 

Where there’s a rudder coat there is a helm coat, I made mine using microporous tape, useful stuff where small areas of tarred canvas are required.

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The photo also shows the Transom Knees, and Mizen Mast Steps. The kit provides these together with brass etched brackets.

 

The items are well shaped and represent a combined step to the counter deck and support for the Mizen Mast.

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I slightly modified the bracket to suit a 3mm ø Mizen mast. According to the detail in the Alert Book, the mast is given as  37’ 2” height with an 8”ø

This equates to a scale 177mm length with a 3.1mm ø

I will make the mast and store it on the deck.

 

Scuppers.

To scupper or not to scupper

No scuppers are shown on any of the drawings in the Alert book, and there is only a passing mention of them in the narrative relating to the deck pumps.

Likewise, they are not included as a feature in the kit.

The only model I have seen showing Alert with scuppers is a beautiful 1:48 scale scratch-built version completed by Daveyjones back in 2014; that really is a very fine model, check it out in the Gallery.

I think I will defer the decision for while even tho’ logic tells me that even a low freeboard boat such As Alert would have them.

 

 

B.E.

03/11/2019

 

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Thanks for looking in Guy, and for your kind appreciation.

 

Post 31

Bulwark attachments

This is a good point in the build to deal with the iron work along the bulwarks and other stuff where the centre line fittings would get in the way.

 

Ringbolts and eyebolts for the gun tackle.

The kit provides brass pe etch items for the breeching rope ring bolts. All that is necessary is to fit the ring over the open bolt and close it up.

However, the kit makes no reference to rigging the guns and if you use the kit tackle and intend rigging, it is wise to check that the intended Breeching rope fits thro’ the provided etch rings.

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My preferred option is to use Amati fine rings and eyebolts as per the centre example.

 

I think it is appropriate and certainly more authentic at 1:64 scale to rig the guns with breeching ropes and side tackles, and I intend to do so. The main concern is to get the combination and blocks looking right with the carriage.

The Breeching rope is 4¼” circ; equating to 0.54mm ø at scale

I will use Syren 0.6mm ø line which provides the right visual contrast to the finer tackle lines. I tend to use slightly undersized tackle lines blocks and hooks.

There should also be eyebolts to take the side tackle hooks; in the Alert book drawings these are secured to the face of the shot garlands fitted to the bulwark.

Shot Garlands

These are neat laser cut items and the shot (2mm ø) is also provided. My immediate thought was that the provided shot looked at tad overscale.

Naturally I couldn’t resist trying the ball for fit in the muzzle and not surprisingly it doesn’t.

 

The bore for a six pounder is given as 3.675” (how did they measure that close with the technology they had at the time) with a 3½” ø ball.

At scale the bore works out at 1.46 mm.  and the model gun is 1.56mm; 1.50mm ø shot it is then.

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This did mean I had to modify the Garlands to take the smaller shot.

 On the left, 2mm shot; on the right, 1.5mm shot.

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Tricky little items to fit I used a guide to get the right height.

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The ring bolts  for the Breeching ropes are not fixed at this time, they will be attached to the ropes before  gluing to the bulwarks.

While I was looking at the shot garlands and their position along the bulwarks, I became aware of differences between the kit and the Alert book drawings. There is a much greater  spacing between the third and fourth ports from aft on the book drawings, (C2/1) which appears between the fourth and fifth from aft in the kit.

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The kit follows the arrangement on the Admiralty drawings.

 The book deck plan drawing(C2/1) shows a longer garland accommodating 11 balls. On the Admiralty plan there are two smaller garlands which seems more logical as a continuous rack would be over eight feet in length.

The kit provided garland sits centrally within the greater space which is relevant because as noted earlier the side tackle eyebolts are fixed to the garlands.

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I added two shorter Garlands within the space which maintains the continuity of the side tackle arrangements.

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Not sorry to see the end of this fiddley little exercise.

Movin’ on.

 

B.E.

06/11/2019

 

 

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Now you need to paint the rear platform red same as the picture😁 I love that picture especially the painted frames

The clerk of the cheque's yacht of sheerness

Current build HMS Sirius (1797) 1:48 scratch POF from NMM plans

HMS Winchelsea by chuck 1:48

Cutter cheerful by chuck 1:48

Previous builds-

Elidir - Thames steam barge

Cutty Sark-Billings boats

Wasa - billings boats

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Cheers Guys,  now a bit of a set back.

Post 33

Pawl Bitt pins (Bowsprit Step)

I have been working on the Bowsprit Step but have hit a problem regarding the dimensions of the Bowsprit which I need to resolve before I can move on.

You can’t really consider the Bowsprit Step without looking at the fit of the Bowsprit.

There is a simplification on the kit part in that the iron fids used to fix and retain the Bowsprit heel are represented by solid wood top and bottom, formed by the square cut-out for the Bowsprit heel.

There is a fid hole and fid indicated in the Bowsprit but this sits forward of the Bitt pins, which makes little sense.

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I removed the top bar and drilled thro’ to take the ‘iron’ fid. A hole below this was drilled to take the retaining fid for the Bowsprit heel which has a corresponding hole drilled.

The inboard squared end of the Bowsprit is shown as 6mm, reduced and squared from some 8mm ø dowel.

My own preference is to use square stock, and round the outboard section on the lathe.

 

Now I come to the problem:

 6mm square stock will not fit between the step uprights whereas 5mm as shown in the above photo is a good fit.

However, the dimensions given in the Alert Book are 18½” which equates to 7.3mm at scale, whereas 6mm is a perfect fit for the Alert book drawings.

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6mm stock laid over Alert book drawing at 1:64 scale

Note:

The Alert book quotes dimensions as relating to the cutter Pheasant which was slightly shorter than Alert and some 34 tons lighter. Her Bowsprit is given as 56’6” L x 18½” ø

Pheasant capsized in the Channel in 1781, perhaps she was over sparred.

 

When in doubt I always refer to Steel;

For a 200-ton cutter (Alert was 183 tons) Steel gives a Bowsprit length of 64’ (304.8mm) with a 20” ø (7.93mm)

By comparison the kit dimensions are a scale 275mm in length and 6mm at the heel

(57¾’ and 15” diameter).

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The photo’s above show the 5mm square stock in place.

Below I compare 6mm square stock.

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Without either thinning down the uprights or the 6mm stuff it just won’t fit.

 I am reluctant to thin down the bitts which look good for scale.

However, the evidence of Steel is that the Bowsprit may have been even longer and certainly heavier at the heel.

 

To thin down the 6mm stuff so it fits between the uprights, but leaving the depth the same, effectively makes it a rectangle rather than a square.

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Thinned down 6mm stuff to fit between the uprights

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I can’t clearly see from the instruction photo’s what Chris did on the prototype to get the fit, whether he modified the mortise or reduced the heel or a combination of both.

I can’t settle my mind on how to proceed so I have decided to make a Bowsprit using 6mm square stock using the taper formula given in Steel, the heel will then be reduced to fit between the bitts.

I will then let my eye be the judge.

 

B.E

08/11/2019

 

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27 minutes ago, Blue Ensign said:

There is a fid hole and fid indicated in the Bowsprit but this sits forward of the Bitt pins, which makes little sense.

I can't say if it is documented practice, but a fid forward of the bitts might provide support in helping to keep the bowsprit from being pushed aft by the tension of bobstays or other rigging..

There appears to be a fid forward of the bitts on this contemporary model.

 

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Luck is just another word for good preparation.

—MICHAEL ROSE

Current builds:    Rattlesnake (Scratch From MS Plans 

On Hold:  HMS Resolution ( AKA Ferrett )

In the Gallery: Yacht Mary,  Gretel, French Cannon

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Thanks Gregory, I've not seen that arrangement before.

The Bowsprit on Alert should have a series of fid holes along the square section to allow for  movement, and  that the fids fit thro' both bitt and Bowsprit to fix the position.

I suspect in the case of the Alert model that it is there as a simplification for the purpose as you describe , but the whole set up of the Bowsprit Step is a simplification to aid the modeller.

 

Regards,

 

B.E.

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I'm using the 1794 edition Dirk, the base source of almost every modern writer you can think of.

He's writing some 17 years after the Alert time, and we all know how exceeding slow the Admiralty was to effect  any significant changes, at least until the end of the Napoleonic Wars.

If anything the scantlings of timbers and spars and rope work tended to decrease slightly over the 18th c, as evidenced by the various tables included in Lees but none of that is likely to affect my scale arrangements on Alert and I doubt that the quarter proportions  given in Steel varied much over the period.

In dealing with a kit like this it just needs to look right to the eye, and getting to that point given the constrictions of the provided parts is my main concern at present..🙂

 

Cheers,

 

B.E.

 

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Good evening Maurice,

 

That's one of the problems with kits unfortunately. Scratch is the way forward ;) Your idea of using 6 mm stock looks good to me anyway. I was very surprised to see what was provided in the kit for eyebolts and rings :huh: and those ghastly cast cannon,oh dear. Love your Alert print from the Science Museum by the way. I was in their shop 12 years ago hoping to replace a print of HMS Prince I bought in 1974 but was told they didn't sell prints anymore.  Guess they must have started again.

 

Dave :dancetl6:

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Post 34

Creating a Bowsprit

For this I am using 6mm square stock to produce a spar 275mm in length.

The square section is marked with tape as is the outer end.

 

There is a formula in Steel based on Quarters along the length from the square section forward.

1st Q           2ND Q         3RD Q         Outer end

 60/61        11/12          4/5               5/9 

5.90mm      5.5mm      4.8mm          3.3mm

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These stations are marked on a card for checking the diameters as the tapering progresses.

Before turning on the lathe the square edges are taken off using a ‘V’ jig.

Various grades of sandpaper are used to produce the taper.

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With the sprit completed, additional fid holes are drilled thro’ the square section.

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This is a good time to fix the iron hoop to support the Bowsprit.

A nicely presented etched item complete with square bolt plates.

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Iron fids have replaced the simplified kit arrangement, they will be trimmed on final fitting.

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The square section has come in at 5.75mm but I did in the end take a shave off the inner sides of the bitts, which is not apparent to the naked eye.

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My eye tells me that it passes muster so the set up can now be put aside for the present.

 

B.E.

09/11/2019

 

 

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Post 35

Perhaps the most eye-catching deck fitting on a cutter is the Windlass and Carrick bitts.

I rather like making up these parts and Chris has provided in the kit the makings for a good set.

The laser cut wooden parts are cleanly cut and have a good surface for painting.

The kit provides a resin windlass spindle which is nicely formed and requiring very little clean up.

It is also a good match for scale against the Alert Book drawings.

Unlike wooden versions where the option is to varnish or paint, paint is the only option. If it is to be painted red, as often represented on models, no problem, otherwise getting a good colour mix is the main issue.

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I wasn’t too keen on the suggested dark wood colour, but not quite sure what I’m after; perhaps a sort of washed out salt stained wood colour that will provide a contrast to the Carrick bits (Red) and other woodwork. Fiddling around with paint mixes is the only way to go.

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The final addition to the Carrick Bitts are the straps that secure the cheeks to the Bitts. Nice brass etched well scaled items are provided.

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One addition that can be reproduced are representations of the iron hoops at the outer ends of the warping heads on the Windlass. These are made from my old standby of heat shrink tubing.

Jeer and Topsail Bitts

This is the remaining significant centre line deck fitting.

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Cleanly cut, easy to assemble parts with a resin windlass complete with pawl drums.

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The only extra which may be considered are tiny pawls, but they are very tiny.

 

Pumps

In the kit the elm tree pump casings are represented by some 4mm dowel into which the multi-part pe Brake handle mechanism is glued.

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Strictly speaking the casing should be octagonal in section and I prefer to make mine from square section Boxwood.

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One of the things to note when fitting these to the deck is that they are not vertical but angle outwards very slightly.

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Not too sure from the kit instructions how high above deck the pump casings should stand. The instructions indicate gluing the pump handle assembly into 40mm long dowel but doesn’t elaborate further.

 Taking my guide from the Alert book I have settled on a length of 14mm above deck.

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To finish the pumps, I added the discharge ports and the iron bands top and bottom.

 

Coming together now, but still too early to fix these deck fittings.

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Back to the guns I think.

 

 

B.E

11/11/2019

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Post 36

Preparing the Guns.

I have replaced the kit provided guns with RB Brass versions.

To these the Royal Monograms (Syren) and representations of the vent holes are added.

The Monograms are exceptionally fragile items and there is quite a high attrition rate. Even so once stuck they will withstand the acid dip and the blackening fluid.

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I used the smallest of the Syren Monograms.

Once the gun is thoroughly cleaned the Monograms and vents were added.

A tiny spot of thick ca is applied to the gun and the monogram gently pressed into place.

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This flash shot shows up the Monograms but is not a true reflection of the colour.

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This shot more closely reflects the colour.

It takes several re-dips following cleaning off any residual ca to get the desired finish, and from this point plastic gloves are worn when handling the guns.

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I don’t buff the surface but seal it using slightly thinned Humbrol Matt Cote, this both protects and deepens the colour a little.

So, here’s the completed set.

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It has taken about five days’ work to reach this point, but I consider taking extra time with the guns is well worth the effort.

On an open decked vessel such as a cutter they are a major feature and very exposed to view.

 

In my next post I will be covering the combining of guns and carriages and adding the fine detail.

 

B.E.

16/11/2019

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BE,

Your guns turned out beautifully.  In my limited time as a modeler, I have had a terrible time getting brass to blacken and then for the blackening to stay put on the brass rather than to come off on my hands.  I know that a lot has to do with the correct cleaning of the brass.  And I see that you use Humbrol Matt Cote to seal.  Could I trouble you to outline for me what you use to clean the brass and  how you do this?  It would really help me (and perhaps others).  Thank you, Jim

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Hi Jim, thanks for looking in.

 

This is my approach to metal blackening.

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 My Blackening Kit

 

1)  I first scrub the guns in water with washing up liquid using an old toothbrush.

 

2)   Rinse the guns in de-ionised water.

 

3)   Soak the guns in the Acid Dip for a couple of minutes, and then rinse in the Neutralising fluid, but I find the de-ionised water is just as good.

 

4)   Immerse in the blackening fluid (which I dilute with de-ionised water by around sixty percent) until the guns are black.

 

5)  Rinse again.

 

6)  Dry using a hair dryer on full heat.

 

7)   Buff the guns using a soft paintbrush to check the coverage.

 

  Because I have used ca to fix the Monograms invariably this will show up, requiring scraping away in places and the careful use of acetone to re-clean the area. Acetone dissolves ca so great care must be taken not to lift the Monograms.

 

9)   I re-dipped the Alert guns several times until I got the finish I was after.

 

10)      With an even black surface I used Humbrol Matt Cote thinned a little with White Spirit to improve the flow, to paint over the guns.

 

I don't always  coat the guns, I didn't with the guns on my Cheerful build,  but they were larger and handling was easier with less risk of marring the surface.

Hope this helps.

 

B.E.

18/11/2019

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Post 37

Completing the Guns

This is now the time to secure the gun barrels to the carriages using the Cap squares.

These are supplied as etched items and do have the fold lines and hole points marked to take the retaining bolt and Cap square hinge.

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In preparing the Cap squares I use a trunnion bar as a jig to aid the folding process.

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Once formed the holes are drilled thro’ and the ends trimmed a little to better fit the carriage.

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The Cap squares are quite fragile with weakness at the bend points; there are only a couple of spares so careful handling is required.

Fitting Cap Squares is a tedious business; I use ca to secure to the top of the carriage and then drill thro’ to take the retaining bolt and hinge.

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These little additions are not referred to in the instructions, but I like to add them.

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I use tweaked etched eyes from some stuff I have lying about and copper eye pins. Once in place these help to better secure the Cap Squares.

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Still thinking about adding the bolt pins and chains to the carriages as I did with Cheerful.

The smallest chain I have is 48 links to the inch which may be a tad over scale.

 

I’ll leave the guns for now and go back to a little woodwork.

 

B.E.

18/11/2019

 

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BH,

Thanks for the info & picture.The chain is quite small, no wonder I missed it in looking at photographs.

At 1/64 scale the link would be very small,  1/64" for a 1" link or 0.4mm. 

I have seen people use twisted fuse wire or thin copper wire to represent chain in the past.

Something you might consider?

Alan 

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Cheers Alan, I've no immediate pressure to complete the guns so I can ponder the subject a while longer.🙂

Post 38

Swivel guns

I had started making the Swivel gun pedestals but have side stepped to look at the Swivel guns and their ‘iron’ yolks that fit into the posts.

For the Swivels I am using RB 15mm Brass guns which are spot on for scale.

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They do need a little fettling because for some odd reason the trunnion hole doesn’t go all the way through the Barrels, but at least only completing the drilling is involved.

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The button also has to be removed and the gun drilled to take the tiller.

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A mornings work on the little Miller and it’s all done.

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The kit provides neat photo etched Swivel Gun yolks which save a lot of time fiddling around making these small fittings, a boon to those modellers less inclined to indulge in habitual kit bashing.

The photo shows a mock-up of one of the early Resin Swivel guns.

 

However, I decided to make my own yolks using the method I used on my Pegasus build.

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As with the last time I made these items they were formed from etched brass hooks but this time I silver soldered the two halves to form the yolk.

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The wip RB gun alongside the Resin Kit version.

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I do prefer the crispness of a brass gun, and personally I don’t think you can beat the look of a chemically blackened gun.

With the Yolks made I can now return to looking at the posts and drill out to take the mounting.

 

B.E.

21/11/2019

 

 

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Post 39

 Rails and Swivel Gun pedestals

This is the last main hull construction job outstanding.

The kit provides a pre-formed Rough tree rails with the slots for the pedestals and timberheads pre-cut.

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I used the provided rail as a template to mark the positions of the posts and timberheads.

The kit part is perfectly fine as a simplified arrangement, but the rail of necessity is too wide, as it is designed to allow the Swivel gun pedestals to run thro’ it.

Both the Alert book and the Admiralty plan show the typical octagonal shape applicable to such pedestals, and a narrow Rough Tree rail that runs thro’ them, or tenons into them.

The pedestal bottoms are angled as they run down the drift rail with the tops horizontal.

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I made the octagonal pedestals from Boxwood Square stuff and used a simple jig to cut the angles using the kit parts as a template.

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With the Swivel crutches made the holes can now be drilled to take mountings.

At this point I have glued the posts into place as I need a solid base to fit the swivels and more importantly the Rough Tree rail.

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Testing the fit of the swivel guns and mounts. Since the previous post I have re-visited the Swivel mounts and made them slightly smaller.

 

That is the easy bit.

More tricky is the fitting of the Rough tree rail running between the posts and topping the Timberheads each side of the port before ending in a hance on the Drift rail.

For the Rough Tree rail I planed down a 1x4mm Boxwood strip supplied in the kit, until it was 2.0mm wide.

I am then faced with the problem of how to fit between the swivel posts. Mortise them in perhaps or pin them; the main issue is keeping a smooth transition between the posts.

I will report on how it goes in my next post.

 

B.E.

23/11/2019

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