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Good evening all,

 

about a year ago, I inherited a part-built 'Granado' from my deceased son.......I've got into the model over this past six months and am a few weeks away from Masting & Rigging. I'm currently finishing the deck details, such as fitting the canons to the main deck. My first question concerns the rigging of the 10 x 4Ib canon - looking at contemporary illustrations online, a lot of canon are shown fitted with detachable tackles, fitted with a hook at either end of the tackles - does anybody replicate this or do most simply tie off the tails of the tackles to the eye-bolts on the canon/bulwarks?

 

Secondly, my son had bought a couple of scale ship's boats - I suspect that he was planning on creating a diorama rather than installing the boats onboard.........but it raises the question, where would the ship's boats be stowed on 'Granado'? there are no davits that I can see and certainly no chocks [or space] on the deck - does anybody know?

 

I have to say, the Caldercraft kit is superb with some really nice, detailed components. For a beginner, it's been a steep learning curve, but very enjoyable [so far!]. I suspect that the masts & rigging will be a trial as I have hands like Hams!

 

Thanks in advance for any advice.

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I’m very sorry to hear about the loss of your son.  You have my family’s greatest condolences.

 

The amount of rigging for a cannon is a personal choice.

 

I personally tied the rigging directly to the eyebolts in my last couple of builds (I’m still learning and getting better).  I have never tried to make my tackles removable.

 

There is an Anatomy of the Ship published for Granado.  I would strongly recommend it for detail information, including positions of davits and ship’s boats, which may not be readily apparent from the plans that come with a kit.

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Dear Martin,

My condolences to you as well, along with Grandpa Phil's.

I didn't use hooks on the tackles on my Granado, but Peter Goodwin's illustration on p. 91 of his book in the Anatomy of the Ship series clearly shows them, at the gun end and the bulwark end of the tackles.

Mr Goodwin also says that no information exists as to what boats were carried on Granado, but that she was possibly equipped (when serving as a bomb vessel) with a 16-foot longboat, and with an added 24ft pinnace when serving as a sloop.  He goes on to say that a boat could have been towed astern, or possibly stowed above the after mortar housing, to be swung out when needed, by a tackle from the lower yards.

I agree totally with Grandpa Phil's recommendation of this book. It's a great shame that it's not more readily available at a reasonable price - however, I see that amazon have a few copies at present , at around £80.  This is a lot to pay for a single volume - but for detailed guidance on everything belonging to Granado, it's worth every penny!

Best wishes,

Tom.

 

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On 7/2/2019 at 2:48 AM, Vane said:

Making progress with the planking...

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Vane, I wanted to let you know that your photos show the tapering you did from the bearding line to the keel very nicely.  Did you use a dremel or was that all hand carved out, if you don't mind sharing?  Also, you didn't make and use filler blocks in the bow and stern, as some have done previously....did you consider using them and decide against?  Did you miss them?  I am just starting the build and want to make sure I put my best foot forward....

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I doing several build at the same time so I might not remember it exactly right. But I used the blocks in the kit in the front but did not add any extra balsawood that some do in the front. I did a annoying mistake at the stern and glued the end piece before the tappering so I had to carve/dremel it out… it would had been easier to follow the intructions and just sanded it down first. :-P 

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I dont think the first planking is that important since its only about getting the shape right. But in the second you really need to pay attension to details, especially if you are not going to cover it all with paint. I hope to be able to do some work on this later this summer but I have too many Projects going on so I will try to finalize some before going back to this ship.

  

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Hi Vane, here is a pic of my walnut planked Granado.

just finished the 2nd planking and coated it with mat polyurethane to seal and protect it. Still not decided wether i will use the white for the waterline or leave it as it is now.

 

Yoir build looks very nice, different with that  Tanganyika. 

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Very nice looking wood work - congratulations. I'm trying to get a similar effect with my Mercury brig at the moment, using only a minimum of paint when necessary.  

I white painted my Granado below the waterline, but wish now that I'd taken more care at the 2nd planking stage in order to be able to leave it visible.

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And oh, i used Bison contact glue for the second planking, the type that shoemakers use. I know, a lot of negative comments on contact glue, just hope it lasts. It worked fine for me, using the rear and of a teaspoon to exert pressure.

 

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Nice woodwork there. Its all about preference: if you want to paint or not, what kind of wood that has the best colour and texture for you. The best material to work with is boxwood but hard to get and expensive.  I have built a couple of hulls in walnut. But those I painted. I dont mind the dark colour of walnut. My main problem with it is the variation in colour and tones so I would have to carefully select the planks to work with so the all are basically the same.   

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Yes, the colour variation in walnut is a problem.  Even similar looking pieces can change colour slightly when varnished.

Another worry I had while aiming at a bare wood finish for Mercury was the effect that glue marks can have on untreated wood: whether using  CA or PVA, if you get glue on the surface of the wood (and it's impossible not to), it won't take the varnish (or dye) properly at a later stage.  So to try and avoid this, I varnished all the planks that I'd selected for the second planking before I glued them on. This seems to have worked fairly well so far.

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Hey Vane, Tom, Grandpa Phil, and anyone else with an opinion or tip for the Granado build I am attempting:  I was wondering if there would be any merit to "transferring" the oar port patterns onto the gunport patterns and cutting those little suckers out BEFORE I even glue the gunport patterns onto the bulkheads?  What do you think, inspired or imbecile idea?  Also, when fixing the gunports to the bulkhead frames, I was thinking I would soak them (again) so they can best conform to the bulkheads.  Good or bad idea?  Finally, what glue would be best to use, and do you ABSOLUTELY avoid glue on the bulkhead extensions that get removed, and just allow the clamps to shape the gunport templates?  Sorry for all the questions, but us newbies need as much advice as from you experts as possible.....and thanks in advance for any and all advice.

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You can do things in various order. I guess its just preference. Cutting out the holes in advance might work well. The only thing is that you still need to cut holes from the second planking. Avoiding planking the gunports is one thing but its more difficult with small holes. I use both CA and PVA. Depends on what drying time that is most suitable. 1st planking which is not visable, I prefer PVA and pins. But if you are not going to paint the 2nd planking, you need to use CA to avoid pinmarks.  

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As far as I remember, I glued the extensions to the bulkheads when I was making Granado -  you're sure of a tight fit if you do that - and they broke off easily enough when needed (I used pva and clamped the gunport patterns on), although some sanding was needed to get the last of the glue & wood off. 

 

I would rather use pva for this job - you have to get the fit right, and CA can grab too fast too allow this.  As advised in the instructions, I used CA for most of the 2nd planking on Granado, but for Mercury I've gone over to pva, using CA only to stick the plank to the stem and first bulkhead. I find it's easier to manage and doesn't mark the wood as badly.  

 

And I soaked the gunport patterns, but just once.  Are they plywood? (can't remember) - mind you don't over soak them and make them buckle up.

 

I have wondered sometimes whether gluing thick paper to the bulkhead extensions before gluing on the gunport patterns would be an idea - maybe it would hold the patterns in place properly but would make removal easier - but I've never tried this.

 

Yes, I agree with Vane that cutting out the oar port holes could be a good idea at this stage - in fact I don't know why they're not pre-cut in the patterns as supplied.  I didn't think of this issue until it was too late and had stuck the oar port lids on!!

And I agree with Vane also about the difficulty of getting small holes to look good - I'm not 100% pleased with the results I've got with my Mercury brig, but there it is.  At least with the Granado kit you only have to worry about the appearance of the oar ports on the inboard side (assuming that you're going to fit the port lids in the closed position).

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