Vane Posted July 16, 2019 #1 Posted July 16, 2019 What is the difference between these two kits from Amati/Victory models? As I understand, Fly and Pegasus were sisterships and are very similar? Quote Current builds: HMS Victory (Corel 1:98), HMS Snake (Caldercraft 1:64), HMBV Granado (Caldercraft 1:64), HMS Diana (Caldercraft 1:64), HMS Speedy (Vanguard Models 1:64)
ccoyle Posted July 16, 2019 #2 Posted July 16, 2019 The Fly kit was designed earlier and does not include some details that were incorporated into the Pegasus kit. There is an upgrade kit available for Fly that makes it roughly equivalent in detail. chris watton, Canute and mtaylor 3 Quote Chris Coyle Greer, South Carolina When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk. - Tuco Current builds: Brigantine Phoenix, DS Børøysund
chris watton Posted July 16, 2019 #3 Posted July 16, 2019 Pegasus has a much cooler figurehead! Landlubber Mike, Canute and mtaylor 3 Quote Vanguard Models on Facebook
ccoyle Posted July 16, 2019 #4 Posted July 16, 2019 57 minutes ago, chris watton said: Pegasus has a much cooler figurehead! Isn't this akin to loving one of your children more than another? 🤔 chris watton, Canute and mtaylor 3 Quote Chris Coyle Greer, South Carolina When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk. - Tuco Current builds: Brigantine Phoenix, DS Børøysund
chris watton Posted July 16, 2019 #5 Posted July 16, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, ccoyle said: Isn't this akin to loving one of your children more than another? 🤔 I hate the look of Pegasus, though, I wanted the second planking in a lighter wood, that model is way too dark. If anyone reads this and is thinking of buying one, use a lighter wood for the second planking, it will look so much better. ETA - I have plans for Atalanta... Edited July 16, 2019 by chris watton Canute, john2013 and mtaylor 3 Quote Vanguard Models on Facebook
Red Rhino Posted July 16, 2019 #6 Posted July 16, 2019 That's a great suggestion Chris! I really like Pegasus with the great figurehead, but something always set me back and now I know it was the dark wood. But I'm a few models away from either ships complexity at this point. Dave Canute and mtaylor 2 Quote
dvm27 Posted July 16, 2019 #7 Posted July 16, 2019 Atalanta would make a lovely model. If you use the NMM model as a basis, with it's lovely color palette, it's a guaranteed winner! mtaylor and Canute 2 Quote GregwebsiteAdmiralty Modelsmoderator Echo Cross-section buildAdmiralty Models Cross-section BuildFinished buildPegasus, 1776, cross-sectionCurrent buildSpeedwell, 1752
Landlubber Mike Posted July 16, 2019 #8 Posted July 16, 2019 I actually kinda like it with the dark wood 😛 Either are great kits, especially if you upgrade the Fly kit (I went with the Pegasus for the figurehead). You can get plans for either ship from the NMM if you want to build a more accurate model. The Pegasus is close to being spot on, but there are a few changes I made to my deck and bitts to conform to the NMM plans. mtaylor and Canute 2 Quote Mike Current Wooden builds: Amati/Victory Pegasus MS Charles W. Morgan Euromodel La Renommèe Plastic builds: Hs129B-2 1/48 SB2U-1 Vindicator 1/48 Five Star Yaeyama 1/700 Pit Road Asashio and Akashi 1/700 diorama Walrus 1/48 and Albatross 1/700 Special Hobby Buffalo 1/32 IJN Notoro 1/700 Akitsu Maru 1/700 Completed builds : Caldercraft Brig Badger Amati Hannah - Ship in Bottle Pit Road Hatsuzakura 1/700 Hasegawa Shimakaze 1:350 F4B-4 and P-6E 1/72 Accurate Miniatures F3F-1/F3F-2 1/48 Tamiya F4F-4 Wildcat built as FM-1 1/48 Special Hobby Buffalo 1/48 Eduard Sikorsky JRS-1 1/72 Citroen 2CV 1/24 - Airfix and Tamiya Entex Morgan 3-wheeler 1/16 Terminated build: HMS Lyme (based on Corel Unicorn) On the shelf: Euromodel Friedrich Wilhelm zu Pferde; Caldercraft Victory; too many plastic ship, plane and car kits Future potential scratch builds: HMS Lyme (from NMM plans); Le Gros Ventre (from Ancre monographs), Dutch ship from Ab Hoving book, HMS Sussex from McCardle book, Philadelphia gunboat (Smithsonian plans)
Vane Posted July 16, 2019 Author #9 Posted July 16, 2019 3 hours ago, chris watton said: I hate the look of Pegasus, though, I wanted the second planking in a lighter wood, that model is way too dark. If anyone reads this and is thinking of buying one, use a lighter wood for the second planking, it will look so much better. ETA - I have plans for Atalanta... But almost all model kits seem to come with 2nd planking in walnut. Sometimes kits are marketed in Another Wood than actually provided in the kit which i think is wrong. Many suggest to use boxwood but that is damn difficult to get in hold of. Quote Current builds: HMS Victory (Corel 1:98), HMS Snake (Caldercraft 1:64), HMBV Granado (Caldercraft 1:64), HMS Diana (Caldercraft 1:64), HMS Speedy (Vanguard Models 1:64)
ccoyle Posted July 16, 2019 #10 Posted July 16, 2019 57 minutes ago, Vane said: But almost all model kits seem to come with 2nd planking in walnut. That's because it is easily sourced and relatively inexpensive. Canute 1 Quote Chris Coyle Greer, South Carolina When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk. - Tuco Current builds: Brigantine Phoenix, DS Børøysund
chris watton Posted July 17, 2019 #11 Posted July 17, 2019 (edited) 8 hours ago, Vane said: But almost all model kits seem to come with 2nd planking in walnut. Sometimes kits are marketed in Another Wood than actually provided in the kit which i think is wrong. Many suggest to use boxwood but that is damn difficult to get in hold of. I didn't actually build a lot of the prototype Pegasus model, the in house Amati modeller did, as I was asked to start another project (and the parts didn't really need checking as the major parts were that of Fly). I was slightly narked with this, as I had earmarked Tanganyika for the hull planking as, at that particular time, Amati had an unusually darker shade of walnut strip stock. Walnut looks good for 16th and 17th Century subjects (or for models that are fully painted, like Victory or Vanguard), but too dark for later periods. But this is just my personal preference. As for boxwood, it is simply way too expensive for (relatively) high volume commercial kits. Edited July 17, 2019 by chris watton mtaylor and Canute 2 Quote Vanguard Models on Facebook
Vane Posted July 17, 2019 Author #12 Posted July 17, 2019 Tanganyika? It would be interesting to see how that looks in practice. Anyone got a photo of a model will that Wood as 2nd planking? Quote Current builds: HMS Victory (Corel 1:98), HMS Snake (Caldercraft 1:64), HMBV Granado (Caldercraft 1:64), HMS Diana (Caldercraft 1:64), HMS Speedy (Vanguard Models 1:64)
chris watton Posted July 17, 2019 #13 Posted July 17, 2019 I did Bellona prototype using Tanganyika coxswain, Canute, Edwardkenway and 4 others 7 Quote Vanguard Models on Facebook
Blue Ensign Posted July 17, 2019 #14 Posted July 17, 2019 I agree with Chris about the Walnut planking on Pegasus, I discarded it on my build. I used thin 0.7mm Boxwood strip from Original Marquetry in the UK, not that expensive, and the bonus is it comes in different widths up to around 12mm I think. Well worth the investment for me. B.E. dvm27, coxswain, Vane and 5 others 8 Quote Current Build: Medway-longboat-1742-by-blue-ensign-½”-scale Completed builds: HMS Indefatigable-1794-by-blue-ensign-vanguard-models-1:64-scale HMS Sphinx 1775 by Blue Ensign. 1:64 scale - Vanguard Models Queen-Anne-Royal-Barge-circa-1700-by-Blue-Ensign Fifie fishing boat Lady Eleanor Muirneag-1903-–-a-scottish-zulu-fishing-boat-164-scale-based-on-the-vanguard-models-zulu-kit/ HM Cutter Alert 1777 HM Cutter Cheerful 1806 18th-century-English-longboat-by-Blue-Ensign-ms-148-scale/ 18thc English Pinnace by Blue Ensign-Model-Shipways-1:24 scale/ HMS-Pegasus-by-Blue-Ensign-finished-Victory-Models-1:64-scale/ Heller Seventy-four 1:150 scale - modified Le Superbe/Le Glorieux kit after Boudriot, waterline setting with sails. The schooner Pickle, Jotika pob kit 1:64 scale, my interpretation.
Vane Posted July 17, 2019 Author #15 Posted July 17, 2019 Agree, those colours looks way better! Canute 1 Quote Current builds: HMS Victory (Corel 1:98), HMS Snake (Caldercraft 1:64), HMBV Granado (Caldercraft 1:64), HMS Diana (Caldercraft 1:64), HMS Speedy (Vanguard Models 1:64)
Vane Posted July 17, 2019 Author #16 Posted July 17, 2019 Bellona looks incredible by the way. Is there any thread here showing more of her? Quote Current builds: HMS Victory (Corel 1:98), HMS Snake (Caldercraft 1:64), HMBV Granado (Caldercraft 1:64), HMS Diana (Caldercraft 1:64), HMS Speedy (Vanguard Models 1:64)
uss frolick Posted July 17, 2019 #17 Posted July 17, 2019 Apple-wood bends easily and holds a sharp edge. It is readily available, and the sap-wood is much lighter than it's heart-wood. Canute and Landlubber Mike 2 Quote
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