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"Tout le monde connaît le nom du Vengeur,
combien peu connaissent celui du Redoutable!"
-- Auguste Jal, 1867


https://www.olivers-historic-shipyard.com/

on Facebook Olivers Historic Shipyard
on YouTube  Olivers Historic Shipyard
on Instagram  Olivers Historic Shipyard
 

in work:

La Belle 1/36 POF
Le Redoutable 1/48 POF; 74-Gun Temeraire-Class by Jacques-Noël Sané
Bucentaure 1/48 POF; 80-Gun Bucentaure-Class by Jacques-Noël Sané
 

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Thank you. You´re right. Only Chuck Norris can do a job like this without be nervous.
 

"Tout le monde connaît le nom du Vengeur,
combien peu connaissent celui du Redoutable!"
-- Auguste Jal, 1867


https://www.olivers-historic-shipyard.com/

on Facebook Olivers Historic Shipyard
on YouTube  Olivers Historic Shipyard
on Instagram  Olivers Historic Shipyard
 

in work:

La Belle 1/36 POF
Le Redoutable 1/48 POF; 74-Gun Temeraire-Class by Jacques-Noël Sané
Bucentaure 1/48 POF; 80-Gun Bucentaure-Class by Jacques-Noël Sané
 

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Great work.

In case you haven't found this pdf.   https://nautarch.tamu.edu/Theses/pdf-files/Corder-MA2007.pdf

 

Maybe it will be useful in the future.

Regards, Patrick

 

Finished :  Soleil Royal Heller 1/100   Wasa Billing Boats   Bounty Revell 1/110 plastic (semi scratch)   Pelican / Golden Hind  1/45 scratch

Current build :  Mary Rose 1/50 scratch

Gallery Revell Bounty  Pelican/Golden hind 1/45 scratch

To do Prins Willem Corel, Le Tonnant Corel, Yacht d'Oro Corel, Thermopylae Sergal 

 

Shore leave,  non ship models build logs :  

ADGZ M35 funkwagen 1/72    Einhets Pkw. Kfz.2 and 4 1/72   Autoblinda AB40 1/72   122mm A-19 & 152mm ML-20 & 12.8cm Pak.44 {K8 1/2} 1/72   10.5cm Howitzer 16 on Mark. VI(e)  Centurion Mk.1 conversion   M29 Weasel 1/72     SAM6 1/72    T26 Finland  T26 TN 1/72  Autoprotetto S37 1/72     Opel Blitz buses 1/72  Boxer and MAN trucks 1/72   Hetzer38(t) Starr 1/72    

 

Si vis pacem, para bellum

 
 
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Thanks Patrick. I use this pdf since beginning of the project. The list of artefacts are very useful.
 

"Tout le monde connaît le nom du Vengeur,
combien peu connaissent celui du Redoutable!"
-- Auguste Jal, 1867


https://www.olivers-historic-shipyard.com/

on Facebook Olivers Historic Shipyard
on YouTube  Olivers Historic Shipyard
on Instagram  Olivers Historic Shipyard
 

in work:

La Belle 1/36 POF
Le Redoutable 1/48 POF; 74-Gun Temeraire-Class by Jacques-Noël Sané
Bucentaure 1/48 POF; 80-Gun Bucentaure-Class by Jacques-Noël Sané
 

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New breasthook and the hawsepipes. The hawsepipes are soldered in silver.

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"Tout le monde connaît le nom du Vengeur,
combien peu connaissent celui du Redoutable!"
-- Auguste Jal, 1867


https://www.olivers-historic-shipyard.com/

on Facebook Olivers Historic Shipyard
on YouTube  Olivers Historic Shipyard
on Instagram  Olivers Historic Shipyard
 

in work:

La Belle 1/36 POF
Le Redoutable 1/48 POF; 74-Gun Temeraire-Class by Jacques-Noël Sané
Bucentaure 1/48 POF; 80-Gun Bucentaure-Class by Jacques-Noël Sané
 

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Current Status

 

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"Tout le monde connaît le nom du Vengeur,
combien peu connaissent celui du Redoutable!"
-- Auguste Jal, 1867


https://www.olivers-historic-shipyard.com/

on Facebook Olivers Historic Shipyard
on YouTube  Olivers Historic Shipyard
on Instagram  Olivers Historic Shipyard
 

in work:

La Belle 1/36 POF
Le Redoutable 1/48 POF; 74-Gun Temeraire-Class by Jacques-Noël Sané
Bucentaure 1/48 POF; 80-Gun Bucentaure-Class by Jacques-Noël Sané
 

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The 5th timelapse from the constrction of La Belle is now online.
 

 

"Tout le monde connaît le nom du Vengeur,
combien peu connaissent celui du Redoutable!"
-- Auguste Jal, 1867


https://www.olivers-historic-shipyard.com/

on Facebook Olivers Historic Shipyard
on YouTube  Olivers Historic Shipyard
on Instagram  Olivers Historic Shipyard
 

in work:

La Belle 1/36 POF
Le Redoutable 1/48 POF; 74-Gun Temeraire-Class by Jacques-Noël Sané
Bucentaure 1/48 POF; 80-Gun Bucentaure-Class by Jacques-Noël Sané
 

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Testing to modeling and milling a ornament.
Created with Blender.

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"Tout le monde connaît le nom du Vengeur,
combien peu connaissent celui du Redoutable!"
-- Auguste Jal, 1867


https://www.olivers-historic-shipyard.com/

on Facebook Olivers Historic Shipyard
on YouTube  Olivers Historic Shipyard
on Instagram  Olivers Historic Shipyard
 

in work:

La Belle 1/36 POF
Le Redoutable 1/48 POF; 74-Gun Temeraire-Class by Jacques-Noël Sané
Bucentaure 1/48 POF; 80-Gun Bucentaure-Class by Jacques-Noël Sané
 

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Yes, there a lot of tutorials on YT. I have done a course as well on Udemy. Its not hard to understand, but its hard to train to get the skill for this kind of work.
My "poor" CNC-Skill is selfmade. You learn it when you do it.

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"Tout le monde connaît le nom du Vengeur,
combien peu connaissent celui du Redoutable!"
-- Auguste Jal, 1867


https://www.olivers-historic-shipyard.com/

on Facebook Olivers Historic Shipyard
on YouTube  Olivers Historic Shipyard
on Instagram  Olivers Historic Shipyard
 

in work:

La Belle 1/36 POF
Le Redoutable 1/48 POF; 74-Gun Temeraire-Class by Jacques-Noël Sané
Bucentaure 1/48 POF; 80-Gun Bucentaure-Class by Jacques-Noël Sané
 

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"Tout le monde connaît le nom du Vengeur,
combien peu connaissent celui du Redoutable!"
-- Auguste Jal, 1867


https://www.olivers-historic-shipyard.com/

on Facebook Olivers Historic Shipyard
on YouTube  Olivers Historic Shipyard
on Instagram  Olivers Historic Shipyard
 

in work:

La Belle 1/36 POF
Le Redoutable 1/48 POF; 74-Gun Temeraire-Class by Jacques-Noël Sané
Bucentaure 1/48 POF; 80-Gun Bucentaure-Class by Jacques-Noël Sané
 

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Dear Oliver,

 

First, my congratulations for this great work!

I'm trying to do my first admiralty-style model and it is la Belle too. 

I just started drawing it with Rhino (first try too... although I got some experience with Catia !).

I was comparing the video of Bernard Huc and your work. 

I got an issue with the sternpost, deadwood and rabbet:

- Huc seemed to reduce the width of the entire upper part of the queel (where the frames are set) to that of the lower part of the sternpost (around 4 mm), where the garboard will end. Same thing for the rear deadwood part. 

- On the contrary, you seem to keep the width of the queel to around 7 mm almost all along its length, with the exception of a narrow rabbet. However, the lower part of the sternport still must be reduced to 4mm. How do you manage the transition? On the photographs, it seems that you tapered the sternport as well as the deadwood and gradually transition from 4mm to 7mm the width of the queel from stern to bow, as the rabbet gets deeper. 

 

Could you enlighten me about that?

The first option seem tempting as I want to cut the parts using a CNC machine and that would be much easier...

 

Thank you for your reading and kind answer;

 

Best regards, 

 

Kranck

 

PS: as far as CNC milling is concerned, may I mention the Vectric Aspire pice of software, which makes engraving rather simple as compared to Blender, for those of us that do not master the latter. 

PPS: As a resident of Germany, do you have a favorite shop for wood? I can't help but noticing your pearwood (?) is beautiful

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@Kranck

 

Thank you for your interest in my project. Maybe you can show picture of the problem. Its´more easier to locate it.

I started as well some tests in Rhino but as a genetic Catia-User i choosed to use my skills in this program and to continue with it.
I checked a lot of CAM-Programs, as well the products from Aspire. I can´t remember but there was some points contra and my desicion was for Deskproto.
I think the fourth or fifth axis.... i dont know more.
My wood i bought on ebay in Germany. The name of the seller is Holzkarle.

Regards

Oliver

"Tout le monde connaît le nom du Vengeur,
combien peu connaissent celui du Redoutable!"
-- Auguste Jal, 1867


https://www.olivers-historic-shipyard.com/

on Facebook Olivers Historic Shipyard
on YouTube  Olivers Historic Shipyard
on Instagram  Olivers Historic Shipyard
 

in work:

La Belle 1/36 POF
Le Redoutable 1/48 POF; 74-Gun Temeraire-Class by Jacques-Noël Sané
Bucentaure 1/48 POF; 80-Gun Bucentaure-Class by Jacques-Noël Sané
 

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Hi,

Thanks for the anwer. 

I put some colors on one of your log photographs then...

Huc (as well as riccardo mattera there https://l-arsenale.forumattivo.com/t7-la-belle-1684-scala-1-24-di-riccardo-mattera)  seem to reduce the width of the area highlighted by black rectangles, i.e the sternpost, deadwood and the whole upper part of the queel. 

On the contrary you seem to reduce the width only on the sternpost, rear part of the queel and deadwood (black dots) and then gradually return to full width (red dots) on the queel while engraving a deeper rabbet. 

I don't know if i'm making sense...

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Hi,

 

No. 1, the keel, is reduced as well.
No. 2, this area is as well reduced to the bottom to get the common line to the keel.
No.3 is not reduced in my modell. I have there a constant thickness in the whole area in the sternpost. I´think the "line" of the rabbet should be constant if you have constant thickness from the planking. The sternpost can be reduced, but the optical benefit is to small for the work, because the gaps and angle are to small in this area.

My rabbet on the Keel an the stem could be deeper and more sharper. First model and first try.... you learn a lot of things, but for the next project.

 

 

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"Tout le monde connaît le nom du Vengeur,
combien peu connaissent celui du Redoutable!"
-- Auguste Jal, 1867


https://www.olivers-historic-shipyard.com/

on Facebook Olivers Historic Shipyard
on YouTube  Olivers Historic Shipyard
on Instagram  Olivers Historic Shipyard
 

in work:

La Belle 1/36 POF
Le Redoutable 1/48 POF; 74-Gun Temeraire-Class by Jacques-Noël Sané
Bucentaure 1/48 POF; 80-Gun Bucentaure-Class by Jacques-Noël Sané
 

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"Tout le monde connaît le nom du Vengeur,
combien peu connaissent celui du Redoutable!"
-- Auguste Jal, 1867


https://www.olivers-historic-shipyard.com/

on Facebook Olivers Historic Shipyard
on YouTube  Olivers Historic Shipyard
on Instagram  Olivers Historic Shipyard
 

in work:

La Belle 1/36 POF
Le Redoutable 1/48 POF; 74-Gun Temeraire-Class by Jacques-Noël Sané
Bucentaure 1/48 POF; 80-Gun Bucentaure-Class by Jacques-Noël Sané
 

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Jep. More or less small....

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"Tout le monde connaît le nom du Vengeur,
combien peu connaissent celui du Redoutable!"
-- Auguste Jal, 1867


https://www.olivers-historic-shipyard.com/

on Facebook Olivers Historic Shipyard
on YouTube  Olivers Historic Shipyard
on Instagram  Olivers Historic Shipyard
 

in work:

La Belle 1/36 POF
Le Redoutable 1/48 POF; 74-Gun Temeraire-Class by Jacques-Noël Sané
Bucentaure 1/48 POF; 80-Gun Bucentaure-Class by Jacques-Noël Sané
 

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16 hours ago, Kranck said:

Do you feel that this Paulimot is better than the Unimat ? 

Easier to maintain maybe? 

Wondering about buying one...

Looks like any number of machines that come out of China.  They do need some tweeking.   Have a look at LittleMachineshop guide on small lathes (attached below).   They also have a variety of documents in their learning center.

Document - MiniLatheUsersGuide.pdfMiniLatheUsersGuide.pdf 

Learning center main page for documents: https://www.littlemachineshop.com/Products/product_new.php

 

This is also a good link for info

https://www.mini-lathe.com/ 

Mark
"The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me

Current Build:                                                                                             
Past Builds:
 La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD           Triton Cross-Section   

 NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit                                                                            HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64               

 

Non-Ship Model:                                                                                         On hold, maybe forever:           

CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed                                                   Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)         

         

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                

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I have a question concerning La Belle's armament:

 

It is said (only according to Wikipedia, I know), that the Spaniards recovered five guns , when they discovered the wreckage. Two further guns were excavated by the historians and one gun was presumed missing.

That brings the total number to 8, but all reconstructions show her being pierced for only six. Were two guns carried as cargo or is there an error in the reconstructions or in my brain? 

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Could those extra two have been carried topside?   Or they might have ballast but those were usually damaged guns.

Mark
"The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me

Current Build:                                                                                             
Past Builds:
 La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD           Triton Cross-Section   

 NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit                                                                            HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64               

 

Non-Ship Model:                                                                                         On hold, maybe forever:           

CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed                                                   Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)         

         

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                

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Swivel guns were mentioned separately in the article. 

 

The whole section reads like this:

"On December 25, 1686, a Spanish expedition [...] left Veracruz to sail along the Gulf Coast. On April 4, they reached Matagorda Bay and dispatched several canoes to explore the area. 3 miles from their ship, they discovered La Belle, which they described as a "broken ship" with three fleur-de-lys on her stern.

 

The Spanish salvaged two swivel guns and five cannons from the ship, as well as the anchor, some cordage, and the masts, which they made into oars."

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@Kranck

Sorry, i was offline from the shipbuilding for a time. I use this milling machine. Its a self-made combination because in my eyes there is no milling machine in the market for our type of work.
The MF70 is a very good machine, but with limitations. But for small parts it´s a good choice. The same is with the Unimat. If you work on bigger projects, you will run as well in limitations.

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"Tout le monde connaît le nom du Vengeur,
combien peu connaissent celui du Redoutable!"
-- Auguste Jal, 1867


https://www.olivers-historic-shipyard.com/

on Facebook Olivers Historic Shipyard
on YouTube  Olivers Historic Shipyard
on Instagram  Olivers Historic Shipyard
 

in work:

La Belle 1/36 POF
Le Redoutable 1/48 POF; 74-Gun Temeraire-Class by Jacques-Noël Sané
Bucentaure 1/48 POF; 80-Gun Bucentaure-Class by Jacques-Noël Sané
 

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