Old Collingwood Posted February 6, 2020 Share #121 Posted February 6, 2020 10 hours ago, marktiedens said: As I start adding the wales,I need to decide which paint scheme to use. The plans show 2 different paint schemes - one has the black & yellow following the line of the wales,the other has the black & yellow following the line of the gunports. The first would be relatively easy with the wales black & yellow between the wales. The second would require a LOT of masking & trying to get a straight line over different thicknesses. Since I am not the best at painting I am leaning toward the easier one,which seems to be the pre-1798 style according to the plans. Mark Sounds like a plan mate, I think painting across different profiles is very akward even with masking. OC. popeye the sailor, marktiedens and mort stoll 3 Quote Current builds 28mm Battle of Waterloo attack on La Haye Saint Diorama. 1/700 HMS Hood Flyhawk with PE, Resin and Wood Decking. Completed works. Dragon 1/700 HMS Edinburgh type 42 batch 3 Destroyer plastic. HMS Warspite Academy 1/350 plastic kit and wem parts. HMS Trafalgar Airfix 1/350 submarine plastic. Black Pearl 1/72 Revell with pirate crew. Revell 1/48 Mosquito B IV Eduard 1/48 Spitfire IX ICM 1/48 Seafire Mk.III Special Conversion 1/48 Kinetic Sea Harrier FRS1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marktiedens Posted February 8, 2020 Author Share #122 Posted February 8, 2020 Update - with the main wale in place I thought I would make the top & bottom caps of the side galleries. I couldn`t quite make out the exact shape of them from the plans,so I just "winged" it & shaped them so they looked good. They were given a coat of primer,but are not glued in place yet. In the second picture there are brass etched decorations that go on the lower cap,but I`m not sure which ones to use. Only 2 are needed,but 3 are provided with all 3 having the same part number on the plan sheet. All three are also different shapes & lengths. Whichever ones I use they will need to be cut to length,so it`s not really a big deal. The parts list actually showed a quantity of 4 for this part number (377),but I could only find these three. Mark popeye the sailor, Old Collingwood, GrandpaPhil and 8 others 11 Quote current build - HMS Vanguard - Model Shipways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marktiedens Posted February 8, 2020 Author Share #123 Posted February 8, 2020 (edited) .......And here is a shot of the main wale with 1 coat of paint - a few more coats will follow. The upper edge was painted before glueing on to get a sharp edge. Mark Edited February 8, 2020 by marktiedens Old Collingwood, american, zappto and 14 others 17 Quote current build - HMS Vanguard - Model Shipways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Collingwood Posted February 8, 2020 Share #124 Posted February 8, 2020 Nice and tidy mark. OC. rafine, marktiedens, Retired guy and 2 others 5 Quote Current builds 28mm Battle of Waterloo attack on La Haye Saint Diorama. 1/700 HMS Hood Flyhawk with PE, Resin and Wood Decking. Completed works. Dragon 1/700 HMS Edinburgh type 42 batch 3 Destroyer plastic. HMS Warspite Academy 1/350 plastic kit and wem parts. HMS Trafalgar Airfix 1/350 submarine plastic. Black Pearl 1/72 Revell with pirate crew. Revell 1/48 Mosquito B IV Eduard 1/48 Spitfire IX ICM 1/48 Seafire Mk.III Special Conversion 1/48 Kinetic Sea Harrier FRS1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retired guy Posted February 8, 2020 Share #125 Posted February 8, 2020 Hi Mark I could look to see what’s in my box to see there is any difference As OC says very nice and tidy 👍 Regards Richard marktiedens, Old Collingwood and popeye the sailor 3 Quote Current build: Bluenose by Retired guy - Model Shipways - scale 1:64 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marktiedens Posted February 8, 2020 Author Share #126 Posted February 8, 2020 Thanks OC. No need to do that Richard - from the size of the lower cap I may be able to just cut one in half & get by. I am still a ways off from adding the decorations. I don`t see anywhere else on the ship where these particular decorations would go,so they may just be extras. I just happened to think - the Amati kit has parts for three different ships where as this Model Shipways kit only has parts for the Vanguard variant,so the extra decorations may be for the different variations of the Amati kit. I think the etched brass sheets in my kit are from Amati,so that would explain the extra parts. There is a sheet from Model Shipways in the kit that says they have updated the instruction book & clarified the text (along with a few other changes). Mark popeye the sailor, coxswain and Old Collingwood 3 Quote current build - HMS Vanguard - Model Shipways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marktiedens Posted February 19, 2020 Author Share #127 Posted February 19, 2020 Update - The middle wale is now in place & painted along with the yellow areas. The black is Model Master paint & the yellow is Vallejo yellow ochre. I also figured it was a good time to plank the upper counter. Not sure where I`ll go next - maybe get the waterline marked & finish the black below the main wale. Mark flyer, gieb8688, Zapto and 19 others 22 Quote current build - HMS Vanguard - Model Shipways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retired guy Posted February 19, 2020 Share #128 Posted February 19, 2020 Does look good Mark 👍 Regards Richard marktiedens, popeye the sailor, Old Collingwood and 1 other 4 Quote Current build: Bluenose by Retired guy - Model Shipways - scale 1:64 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marktiedens Posted February 19, 2020 Author Share #129 Posted February 19, 2020 Thanks Richard. Getting closer to that dreaded coppering. Mark Old Collingwood and popeye the sailor 2 Quote current build - HMS Vanguard - Model Shipways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Landlubber Mike Posted February 19, 2020 Share #130 Posted February 19, 2020 Really nice job Mark. You're moving along quickly yet at your usual high modeling standard. Are you going to use the copper tape? popeye the sailor, Old Collingwood and marktiedens 3 Quote Mike Current Wooden builds: Amati/Victory Pegasus MS Charles W. Morgan Euromodel La Renommèe Plastic builds: SB2U-1 Vindicator 1/48 Five Star Yaeyama 1/700 Pit Road Asashio and Akashi 1/700 diorama Walrus 1/48 and Albatross 1/700 Special Hobby Buffalo 1/32 Eduard Sikorsky JRS-1 1/72 IJN Notoro 1/700 Akitsu Maru 1/700 Completed builds : Caldercraft Brig Badger Amati Hannah - Ship in Bottle Pit Road Hatsuzakura 1/700 Hasegawa Shimakaze 1:350 F4B-4 and P-6E 1/72 Accurate Miniatures F3F-1/F3F-2 1/48 Tamiya F4F-4 Wildcat built as FM-1 1/48 Special Hobby Buffalo 1/48 Citroen 2CV 1/24 - Airfix and Tamiya Entex Morgan 3-wheeler 1/16 Terminated build: HMS Lyme (based on Corel Unicorn) On the shelf: Euromodel Friedrich Wilhelm zu Pferde; Caldercraft Victory; too many plastic ship, plane and car kits Future potential scratch builds: HMS Lyme (from NMM plans); Le Gros Ventre (from Ancre monographs), Dutch ship from Ab Hoving book, HMS Sussex from McCardle book, Philadelphia gunboat (Smithsonian plans) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marktiedens Posted February 19, 2020 Author Share #131 Posted February 19, 2020 Thanks Mike - I am going to experiment a little with the tape before going full speed ahead. If I don`t like it I have about 3000 copper plates I got from Jotika some time ago that I can use. The only problem with the plates from Jotika is the "nails" are a bit out of scale. Mark popeye the sailor and Old Collingwood 2 Quote current build - HMS Vanguard - Model Shipways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Landlubber Mike Posted February 19, 2020 Share #132 Posted February 19, 2020 Reason I ask is that I have the MS Charles Morgan, and I'm getting close to the coppering stage of the build. For what it's worth, the copper plates that Amati includes in kits like the Pegasus seem really well done. They aren't cheap, but I think they would look nicer and be more accurate that cutting individual plates from that tape. Old Collingwood and popeye the sailor 2 Quote Mike Current Wooden builds: Amati/Victory Pegasus MS Charles W. Morgan Euromodel La Renommèe Plastic builds: SB2U-1 Vindicator 1/48 Five Star Yaeyama 1/700 Pit Road Asashio and Akashi 1/700 diorama Walrus 1/48 and Albatross 1/700 Special Hobby Buffalo 1/32 Eduard Sikorsky JRS-1 1/72 IJN Notoro 1/700 Akitsu Maru 1/700 Completed builds : Caldercraft Brig Badger Amati Hannah - Ship in Bottle Pit Road Hatsuzakura 1/700 Hasegawa Shimakaze 1:350 F4B-4 and P-6E 1/72 Accurate Miniatures F3F-1/F3F-2 1/48 Tamiya F4F-4 Wildcat built as FM-1 1/48 Special Hobby Buffalo 1/48 Citroen 2CV 1/24 - Airfix and Tamiya Entex Morgan 3-wheeler 1/16 Terminated build: HMS Lyme (based on Corel Unicorn) On the shelf: Euromodel Friedrich Wilhelm zu Pferde; Caldercraft Victory; too many plastic ship, plane and car kits Future potential scratch builds: HMS Lyme (from NMM plans); Le Gros Ventre (from Ancre monographs), Dutch ship from Ab Hoving book, HMS Sussex from McCardle book, Philadelphia gunboat (Smithsonian plans) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marktiedens Posted February 19, 2020 Author Share #133 Posted February 19, 2020 Yes,I`ve seen the Amati plates & they do look nice. One small problem is I just dropped a ton of money for hearing aids,so my bank account is a little thin right now. Mark Old Collingwood, popeye the sailor and Landlubber Mike 3 Quote current build - HMS Vanguard - Model Shipways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinB Posted February 20, 2020 Share #134 Posted February 20, 2020 Mark, Your planking, always looks superb. A pleasure!! Regards, Martin. Old Collingwood and popeye the sailor 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marktiedens Posted February 20, 2020 Author Share #135 Posted February 20, 2020 Thank you very much,Martin. Mark popeye the sailor and Old Collingwood 2 Quote current build - HMS Vanguard - Model Shipways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marktiedens Posted February 23, 2020 Author Share #136 Posted February 23, 2020 Continuing on......Using a laser level,the waterline was marked & a thin strip was added along it to border the copper. Next, the rest of the black area below the wales was painted. Then,I cut a couple pieces of copper (6mm x 18mm) & stuck them on some scrap wood. Having bought a rivet tool some time ago,I figured it was a good time to try it out. The rivet tool came with 4 sizes of rivet wheels & I thought the one with 1.25mm spacing looked good,so I ran it over the copper,which made small indentations in it. The picture is a really close up,so the indentations look large,but at a normal distance they are tiny. I know they are probably slightly out of scale,but this is the smallest rivet tool I could find. Any thoughts? Mark Old Collingwood, american, coxswain and 11 others 14 Quote current build - HMS Vanguard - Model Shipways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyer Posted February 23, 2020 Share #137 Posted February 23, 2020 Hi Mark Great work again. Good start on the copper plates although they aren't yet fully on the quality standard of the rest of the build. Just an idea: Didn't somebody in MSW use a stamp to make all rivets on one plate together? This would mean you would have to fabricate a stamp made of a piece of plastic (wood would be too splintery) with about 30 to 50 tiny nails or perhaps better pin-tips in it, protruding all the same length. This would be tricky work but if it is possible I think the making of the 2000 or so plates would go faster and you would have a regular pattern. For info: My Amati plates are 17 by 5 mm and have 2 rows of 9 rivets after 1 and 2 thirds of the width and a row of 18 rivets at the edge. This makes a distance of about 1,7 mm between the rivets, but only 0,9 mm distance along the edge. Good luck! Peter Old Collingwood and popeye the sailor 2 Quote current build: The Naval Cutter Alert by flyer - Vanguard Models - scale 1:64 completed builds: HMS Bellerophon by flyer - Victory Models - scale 1:72 Yacht America by flyer - Mamoli - scale 1:66 - with some alterations Dolphyn Corel 1/50 Wasa Corel 1/75 La Gloire C.Mamoli 1/90 HM Bomb Vessel Granado JoTiKa HM Bomb Vessel Granado 1756 CC kit 1:64 Victory Models 1/64 HMS Pegasus by Flyer HMS Pickle, my interpretation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marktiedens Posted February 23, 2020 Author Share #138 Posted February 23, 2020 Hi Peter - I have seen the stamp ,but I don`t think I could make one to my satisfaction. I cut the plates a little larger because the copper tape supplied is 1/4 inch wide (6.35mm). I think I can line up the rivets a little better using a straight edge. I may try the 1.5mm rivet wheel & see how that looks. Although I didn`t press hard on the tool,a lighter touch might be better also. The points on the tool wheel are very sharp,so it doesn`t take much pressure to make an indentation in the copper,which is only .025mm thick. The hard part seems to be getting the paper backing peeled off the copper! I`m not really that concerned about how many rivets are on each plate ( I`m not a rivet counter),just that it looks fairly even. Mark Old Collingwood, flyer and popeye the sailor 3 Quote current build - HMS Vanguard - Model Shipways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fmodajr Posted February 24, 2020 Share #139 Posted February 24, 2020 Hi Mark, great job! Can you give me a little more information on the laser level you have? Looks like a very nice tool to have in the workroom. thanks, Frank popeye the sailor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marktiedens Posted February 24, 2020 Author Share #140 Posted February 24, 2020 Thanks Frank - I got the level from Sears several years ago before they closed their store here - a really nice unit. It is self-leveling as long as it is within 4 degrees of level. It also has threads in the bottom so it can be mounted on a tripod. It can project either a horizontal,vertical,or cross beam. It uses 3 AA batteries,so there is no cord to trip over or drag around. I don`t remember what I paid for it,but I`m pretty certain it was well under $100. It really works well for hanging pictures,mounting shelves,etc.,etc. Mark Mark Retired guy, fmodajr, Old Collingwood and 3 others 6 Quote current build - HMS Vanguard - Model Shipways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marktiedens Posted February 24, 2020 Author Share #141 Posted February 24, 2020 Hi all - I think my experiment with the copper foil tape is over. This stuff is awful to work with! By the time I get the backing peeled off it`s all curled up & nearly impossible to flatten it back out without wrinkles. I also couldn`t get a consistent pattern of nails on it,plus I had a hard time laying it in a straight line. By the time I pulled it off several times & repositioned it the glue on the back didn`t want to stick very good. It is also way too shiny & a lot of the edges had some sort of dark stain on them which I couldn`t get off. On top of that,I totally ran out of cuss words trying to work with this stuff! I am therefore going to use the plates I have from Jotika. The "nails" may be a bit out of scale,but they still look decent plus they are easy to work with. I have 3000 of them,which should be plenty. The picture shows some of the copper tape I tried along with one of the Jotika plates. Mark rafine, Retired guy, GrandpaPhil and 8 others 11 Quote current build - HMS Vanguard - Model Shipways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Collingwood Posted February 25, 2020 Share #142 Posted February 25, 2020 I see what you mean mark, fully agree with you about the tape tiles, the individual one does look a lot better and look to be so much more square. OC. popeye the sailor and marktiedens 2 Quote Current builds 28mm Battle of Waterloo attack on La Haye Saint Diorama. 1/700 HMS Hood Flyhawk with PE, Resin and Wood Decking. Completed works. Dragon 1/700 HMS Edinburgh type 42 batch 3 Destroyer plastic. HMS Warspite Academy 1/350 plastic kit and wem parts. HMS Trafalgar Airfix 1/350 submarine plastic. Black Pearl 1/72 Revell with pirate crew. Revell 1/48 Mosquito B IV Eduard 1/48 Spitfire IX ICM 1/48 Seafire Mk.III Special Conversion 1/48 Kinetic Sea Harrier FRS1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffT Posted February 25, 2020 Share #143 Posted February 25, 2020 I went with the copper plates on my constitution. It looks much better in my opinion. marktiedens, Old Collingwood and popeye the sailor 3 Quote Jeff In progress: Medway Longboat 1742 - Syren Ship Model Company -1/2" scale USS Constitution - Model Shipways - Scale 1:76 HMS Granado - CAF Model - 1:48 HMS Sphinx - Vanguard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marktiedens Posted February 25, 2020 Author Share #144 Posted February 25, 2020 (edited) Thanks guys - yes,OC - the edges are not that even. They actually have a little curl in them which I could not fully flatten out. What makes it so hard to work with is it is only .025mm thick - it bends over just by blowing on it. At least I can say I tried it! Before I continue with the copper I think I will get the stand put together so I can drill a couple of holes in the keel for mounting it. Peeked in on your Constitution,Jeff - I hope my copper turns out as good as yours. Mark Edited February 25, 2020 by marktiedens Old Collingwood, popeye the sailor and Edwardkenway 3 Quote current build - HMS Vanguard - Model Shipways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marktiedens Posted March 20, 2020 Author Share #145 Posted March 20, 2020 Hi everyone. Not a lot to show,but I have started the coppering. I decided to cover the keel first - I have some copper plates that were just the right width to cover the keel without a lot of cutting & fiddling. They had some really large nail detail,so I flattened them by squeezing them in a vice. The rest of the plates I will use as-is. I should be farther along,but I`m not overly motivated with all the bad news lately. The keel plates are from Model Expo & the rest of the hull will be covered by plates from Jotika (Caldercraft). Thanks for looking in. Mark Edwardkenway, egkb, Old Collingwood and 13 others 16 Quote current build - HMS Vanguard - Model Shipways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retired guy Posted March 20, 2020 Share #146 Posted March 20, 2020 Got this to come Mark so will be watching. good start, you might have said what glue are you using CA? Regards Richard marktiedens and popeye the sailor 2 Quote Current build: Bluenose by Retired guy - Model Shipways - scale 1:64 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marktiedens Posted March 20, 2020 Author Share #147 Posted March 20, 2020 I am using an odorless medium viscosity CA. It`s a bit pricey,but doesn`t seem to have the bad reactions of regular CA,so worth the extra cost to me. Mark Retired guy, popeye the sailor and Old Collingwood 3 Quote current build - HMS Vanguard - Model Shipways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snow Posted March 20, 2020 Share #148 Posted March 20, 2020 Nice work mark what is the name of the glue Keep up the great work Cheers snowy marktiedens and popeye the sailor 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zappto Posted March 20, 2020 Share #149 Posted March 20, 2020 Now this is a build! A huge ship construction, a pleasure to watch! Keep up great work! fmodajr, popeye the sailor and marktiedens 3 Quote Current build: Mamoli - La gloire 1778 Finished builds: Mamoli - Friesland 1663 Mamoli - Lexington 1776 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marktiedens Posted March 20, 2020 Author Share #150 Posted March 20, 2020 Snowy - Thanks. I will add a picture of the container. It`s made by BSI here in the states. It says it`s an eye irritant,but I haven`t noticed any irritation - unlike regular CA,which makes my eyes water among other things. Thanks zappto - yes,it is quite the project. I don`t know where I am going to put it when finished. Mark Retired guy, popeye the sailor, Zapto and 4 others 7 Quote current build - HMS Vanguard - Model Shipways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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