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Revell B 17 'Memphis Belle' - 1:72 by Popeye

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Popeye,

 

Looking forward to your build, a restored B-17 that was in a traveling air show recently and recently crashed in Connecticut. In fact it would take the public on rides. No one was injured but the plane was destroyed.

 

It was recently at Brookley Field in Mobile I was going to take a flight but due to family health problems had to cancel.

 

Popeye git er dun:cheers:

Edited by John Allen
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10 hours ago, John Allen said:

No one was injured but the plane was destroyed

John are you referring to the 909 crash at Bradley International Airport?  There were casualties.  There were 3 crew and 10  passengers on board. Seven occupants were killed, and the remaining six were injured severely enough to be taken to the hospital, including one who was airlifted. Among the dead were the pilot and co-pilot, aged 75 and 71 respectively. One person on the ground was injured.  The plane belonged to the Collingwood Group.

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As for as the accuracy of bombing, it really wasn't until (as Ken point out) that they had to go low.  They found out late in the war that there was "gap" in the German coverage between the flak. I think it was around 6-8000 feet.  The 88's couldn't hit them as too low for the fuses, the other AA's couldn't go higher.  

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sad about the crash John.......refer to my earlier log for the whole story.   it was the reason why I picked the Nine o Nine for the subject..........

I hope your doing well and welcome........I have the Wulfe Hound project in the works as well,  if you'd like to look in :) 

 

hopefully I can get some paint done.......cold has put a damper on my ventilation system in the spare room {can't open a window :D } 

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On 1/19/2020 at 8:03 PM, Jack12477 said:

Collingwood Group.

That was not the one, I did say Conn. I am getting old and not replenishing my endorphins. I had picked up a story where a restored bomber had crashed with crew with no injuries prior to a show. I have searched the internet for hours and cannot find what I thought was the story. 

At this time taking more fish oil and that jellyfish they advertise to improve brain function.

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I believe the plane had a couple close calls before the Bradley crash.  the original Nine o Nine went to scrap after the war.......the plane that was to be the Nine,  was not as old,  and was a transport plane before the transformation.  chances are,  you read about an earlier crash.......understandable  ;) 

 

I got to watch the movie "Memphis Belle".   it was pretty good........but the air force video included in the DVD debunks the movie.......the waist gunner wasn't injured,  no dead engines,  no landing gear problems.  the plane landed without incident to celebrate their 25th mission.   I did see a few small details that I hope to add.

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My mother and I went to that movie at the theaters probably the last one we saw together She remembered alot of the events that occurred in the movie coming from Dad .I think it was a compilation of events that in all the 8th AF to give the viewers an idea of the dangers these guys faced day in and day out they did have the highest mortality rate at one point. ;) Kevin

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Yeah, the original was used to sell war bonds, so it was a compilation of 8th AF missions. "12 O'clock High" was similar. AF Command and Staff school used it as a command study. A lot of the aerial shots were real gun camera shots.

 

And yes those bomber crews had a high mortality rate until 1944, when we could send Mustangs up as long range escorts for them. Lose one plane and 10 guys didn't come home.

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26 minutes ago, lmagna said:

They just finished refurbishing the real Memphis Bell and putting her up on static display. The pictures of the rebuild were amazing and it looks like she could fly. Too bad they didn't take her all the way.

Lots of Warbird  restorations happening over here  this year  have heard they are even talking about a second Lancaster  returning to the Sky  plus many  other single and double prop  planes.

 

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As far as I know, we have the only flyable B-17F left in the world. It was one of the planes used in making the Memphis Bell movie. It was painted as different planes on each side! I got to go on board her back in the mid 90s when my father-in-law came to visit and I took him to visit the restoration facility here in Everett. Back then they would do personal tours, escorting you through the planes being restored on  a one-to-one basis. We were able to see all kinds of aircraft that they were working on and like the B-17 were able to go on board some of them. I don't think they do that kind of tour anymore, but they do offer a tour of the restoration hanger here in Everett WA. for about $5 per person. I suppose if you go in the winter on a weekday like we did it could still end up being a personal tour.

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there is the confusion between the movie and the army versions.........the movie was about the 25th mission.   John Lithgow is the PR guy in the movie.  the army version,  which was released during the war,  was about the every day life of the B 17 and her crew.   that was a compilation of missions and places.  the Memphis Belle was front and center in that piece as well.  there were a couple of other B 17's that were flown in and altered to look like F's to Co star in the movie version........the Swoose was one of them........the Sally B was another.  we had more than one flyable B 17...........sadly we lost one of them :( 

Memphis Belle (aircraft) - Wikipedia

 

Memphis Belle (film) - Wikipedia

 

the movie did point out one thing......that the fighters weren't carrying a belly tank during this period.  

 

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There was a contractor superintendent I worked with in the 70's who was a WW2 B-17 tail gunner. Amazingly, the old gentleman survived two missions where his B-17 was shot down and he managed to bail out. As you may know, this was no small feat for a tail gunner as he had to crawl through a very small space to enter or exit his gunner's position. Many tail gunners were lost who were never able to escape that position once an airplane began going down. His first time, he parachuted over France where he was rescued by French resistance. The second time, he was captured by the Germans and spent the remainder of the war in a POW camp.

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I've seen so many pictures of B 17 damage....the movie was no exception.   Imagining being in the three most vulnerable { I changed the two to a three due to the belly turret....wouldn't want to be in that position either} areas of the plane...............I'm sure it was a sick feeling.  the ability of these planes to stay in the air,  in spite of heavy damage was astounding.  when I built the Nine o Nine,  I watched a documentary on the 452nd Bomber Group.......even though the Nine was with the 303rd,  I watched anyway.........horrific footage in that one too.

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I did do a tiny bit more on her the other day,  while I was waiting for things to dry.

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the bombs are painted....2 different sizes.......dunno know why.  the bomb racks are hard to see,  but I cemented on the bomb arms to them.  the other two racks go on the frames next to them.    soon

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On 1/18/2020 at 7:28 PM, popeye the sailor said:

there are many kits out there Kevin.......Lindberg alone had at least five.   you can post a picture of it her if it's handy......love to see it :)     eye candy :stunned:  eye candy :stunned:  eye candy 

She is unbuilt my eyes for 1/72 are finally starting to fade for the up close stuff have to wear 1.0'sto focus not bad but I have a holiday today to me NO WORKEE today playtime in the shop.I will get a pic of the box art for ye though and contents.;) Kevin

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