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36 minutes ago, Gregory said:

He does provide a lot of good images about how it should look.

That’s a really nice shot; certainly something to aim for. It does raise a question though. On a lot of other images I see that the deadeyes have been seized with natural line, but here Chuck used darker line. I wonder why the difference?

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50 minutes ago, Gazzarian said:

when - if - i get to the rigging stage

Thank you! How is yours coming along? For me the key to rigging is taking a deep breathe and allowing yourself to slowdown. Unfortunately, I wasn't a huge fan of the rope that came in the kit so I'm replacing it all (I read that newer kits will have updated rope which I want to point out in case anyone reads this in the future).

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Thanks mate! I went a bit off piste with mine but that phase is over and am back to following the instructions! However have been distracted by other things and haven't done much recently. I hope I'll be able to post some updates on my log before too long, but it's definitely a learning process for me, I ain't doing as well as you and others on here!

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14 minutes ago, Gazzarian said:

I ain't doing as well as you and others on here

As long as you are enjoying it then it is all good and the next one will be even better!

 

I do have an update today. The shrouds scared me so I did what I assume everyone does and procrastinate and do something else such as finish the mast.

 

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Of course procrastinating only helps for so long and eventually I had to buckle in and attach a deadeye. I followed a tutorial by @DelF which led me to an idea for a jig. I drilled a hole for a dowel that was slightly smaller than the deadeye to wrap the shroud around. I also drilled a small hole to press a threaded needle through to hold the loop in place (I have my fingers crossed that this gets my deadeyes close to level).

 

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By the way - How exactly does one tie off the rigging through the deadeye? I plan on leaving the line somewhat lose until all the shrouds are up (and I'm still hesitant to trim the shroud until I have a few more on to make certain that I'm happy), but it'd be good to get a plan in place I assume.

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41 minutes ago, Gregory said:

This seems to be pretty typical of examples I have seen..

Awesome, thank you!

 

37 minutes ago, BobG said:

The rope looks great with it. Where were you able to find it?

Thanks Bob! That glue is great, I’m using it a good deal and you only need a drop so it goes a long way. I purchased the Rope Walk from Syren and have been making my rope from Gutermann Mara thread in my garage 🙂. If you’re interested let me know and I’d be glad to share what I’ve learned.

 

35 minutes ago, Gazzarian said:

were you able to drill holes for pins in the edges of the channels?

Yes, I buy these 0.3mm - 1.3mm drill bits in bulk for things like this. I forget exactly but the nails in the kit are 0.7mm (I think) so I would’ve used at most a 0.8mm bit for the pins. Then I clipped off the top on the pin and pushed it into the holes. I used this to then mark the holes on the hull before drilling those out as well. I believe you are skipping the cannons, but you may still want to keep an eye on the deadeye alignment with the gun ports (...maybe).

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20 minutes ago, BobG said:

Were you able to find it in the USA?

I was purchasing some fly tying line at the same time and used Essential Fly from the UK. I believe the manufacturer is from the UK so it may not be over here. The shipping was maybe $5 and took about a month to get here. Last time I looked I think I saw a store in Canada that had it, but if I couldn’t find it over here I wouldn’t hesitate to buy from them again. 

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I hope you don't mind a pic from another build on your log. Also as I'm not in sync with a site devoted to historical authenticity (which i respect but don't follow). But I did want to get a weathered, battered look from my first attempt at this genre. Unfortunately my mental arithmetic was out, the depth markers should have been 5mm not 4mm apart. Oh well, even my ma never claimed I was bright ha ha!

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On 11/21/2020 at 1:39 PM, VTHokiEE said:

spider-sense is warning me of some frustration is ahead

Likely we’ll founded, this can be tricky. A wire jig as a spacer helps but it’s about care and balance tensioning. Resist the urge to over tighten, it’s not a guitar string.

 

I admire your going a level above on the rigging, nice work. Aside from rat lines I enjoy this stage. I have no idea how I got every historically standing and running rope installed on Pegasus, I’m hoping Cheerful proves a little easier, but I’m months from that.

 

I mentioned this somewhere recently, my most used rigging tools are two large and medium needles with the threading end cut off, leaving a fork, and the sharp in glued into 6 inch dowels. I can maneuver the rigging even tying off on belaying pens. That and another dental tool, long but small scissors. 

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1 hour ago, Gazzarian said:

Unfortunately my mental arithmetic was out, the depth markers should have been 5mm not 4mm apart. Oh

I should keep this a secret, but I completely eyeballed my depth marker. I suppose I could have made dots to glue them on, but they looked right to me eye.

 

It’s a neat look you’re achieving. Eventually I’d like to learn some weathering techniques, but baby steps. 

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49 minutes ago, glbarlow said:

my most used rigging tools are two large and medium needles with the threading end cut off, leaving a fork, and the sharp in glued into 6 inch dowels.

Thanks a lot Glenn - I’ve been putting off making a set of these for a little while but I’ll have to get on them. Your Cheerful is a work of art - I’m looking forward to watching you rig her.

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Slow and steady progress, but the shrouds are up! I struggled to try to replicate tying off the lanyards as depicted above so I may simply wing it, but no decisions have been made yet 😄. Currently I'm doing what I do best when I can't figure out how I want to approach something (those lanyards) and adding shroud cleats (from Syren instead of the kit provided photo etch). After that I'll probably ty off those lanyards and start on the rate lines I suppose.

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For anyone doing this build later I really wished that I had added this lower deadeye to the stay before attaching it to the hull. I think I would've tried to potentially fabricate a deadeye holder out of brass wire. There wasn't any direction in the instructions so I simply used some rope, which doesn't seem right but isn't visible from a normal viewing distance regardless.

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May I suggest tying off the lanyard so that the half hitch is in board, as it likely was anyway, but for the model the cleaner look of the rope turns are facing to the more visible outward side. 
 

Ive already decided I will never do copper plates again, you’re. Welcome Vanguard.  However the thing I dislike most in my model building you have coming up soon, tying ratlines.  Of course not so bad on a cutter as a three masted frigate,, but still on so not fun. Can you say clove hitch...

 

Your dead eyes look great. Did you use a stiff wire jig in each one to establish a consistent height?

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45 minutes ago, glbarlow said:

May I suggest tying off the lanyard so that the half hitch is in board, as it likely was anyway, but for the model the cleaner look of the rope turns are facing to the more visible outward side. 
 

Ive already decided I will never do copper plates again, you’re. Welcome Vanguard.  However the thing I dislike most in my model building you have coming up soon, tying ratlines.  Of course not so bad on a cutter as a three masted frigate,, but still on so not fun. Can you say clove hitch...

 

Your dead eyes look great. Did you use a stiff wire jig in each one to establish a consistent height?

Mine was a cheat   (loop round and glued  - loop round and glued  - repeat repeat etc)

 

OC.

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Thanks @Gregory @Old Collingwood @glbarlow!

 

8 hours ago, glbarlow said:

May I suggest tying off the lanyard so that the half hitch is in board

I'd be upset if you didn't suggest it - of course that would look much cleaner (way too many "why didn't I think of that" moments building this model 🤔). I'm going to take a look at your Lady Nelson now that I think of it as well. I used a small wood sheet with a dowel (slightly smaller than the deadeye hole) glued in it. I then placed this contraption (pictured earlier) on the channel behind each deadeye and wrapped the shrouds to it. After, I slid a needle through the overlapping line to get a thread in place to start the seizing.

 

8 hours ago, Old Collingwood said:

I took solace  in being told they would probably move slightly due to the different strains they were under over time

I saw this mentioned elsewhere and completely ran with it. I did have to redo a few - they were too far out of alignment for my liking, but I wasn't going to stress too much about perfection here. I think I may end up with the loop and glue if add a bunch of loops (they kept unwinding on me).

 

 

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2 hours ago, VTHokiEE said:

the loop and glue if add a bunch of loops

Try an immediate half hitch to keep the tension, couple of winds, another half hitch, or clove hitch. Your not alone this can be a frustrating process getting them right and done.  At the end you stare at the shrouds and loudly declare “I won!” 🤣

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2 hours ago, VTHokiEE said:

I'm going to take a look at your Lady Nelson

I wrote that on the “other” forum and got frustrated that no one engaged, so by the time I got to the rigging I just posted photos because I didn’t want to just abandon it.  I copied it over to MSW since I didn’t plan visiting that forum again, so sorry it won’t be much help on rigging. 

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I "think" the point is to make me so happy that I completed it that I don't mind doing the ratlines 😂. I did print off some lined paper in the hopes this helps getting even ratlines - we shall see.

 

58 minutes ago, glbarlow said:

I just posted photos because I didn’t want to just abandon it

Along with the words above, pictures are all I need... well hopefully. I have one done but not trimmed yet, and I thought I had a second done, but once I completed the second one I decided the first one was not the right look so I get to undo that for the 5/6th time but who is counting (certainly not me... 😣)

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4 minutes ago, VTHokiEE said:

print off some lined paper

Lined paper behind the shrouds is essential, as much for your eyes as the spacing, you just can’t see the rope after a while without it.

 

I determine the spacing between lines from the plans, then create a template in Excel with that spacing using format  cell height and single underline cell commands. Make it wide enough using format cell width to block out everything else and cut it tall enough to fit between the deadeyes and hull at the bottom and the mast and shroud lines at the top so it holds itself in place, not that it won’t keep falling but it helps. 
 

I’m just a fountain of useless information ...

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