VTHokiEE Posted January 16, 2021 Author Share #361 Posted January 16, 2021 5 hours ago, glbarlow said: using all that cool nautical terminology Ha! I sit here with the AotS book in my lap while I write these posts trying to learn the terminology and but in my head I describe it as "the rope that ties off on the thingie" or similiar. It is starting to get busy on the mast (and I forgot how tricky it can be to tie off lines...). I'll eventually add rope coils so much of these tie offs will probably be hidden anyway. I struggled a bit getting the yards parallel to each other but in the end I think its pretty close (and I still have the topgallant yard to fix, but I think - pray - that I'm over the hill with these three up). Whenever I look at the pictures I see some small issues with the ropes, there are two that I may try to tighten after looking at the picture below, but then I recall tying them off so we'll see 😁). I painted the line brown that was to be used for the tack toggles, but I'm not certain if it actually conveys the look due to the knot seemingly being oversized for the scale. Finally my conundrum - securing the yards to the mast. If you look in the picture below you'll see the yard is pulling away from the mast and the pin is visible. I suppose I'll use some temporary holding lines to keep it straight and glue it to the mast with a touch of PVA. I hope that holds up against the squaresail yard bowlines. I'm also pondering how to do the topsail brace. There is a block setup in the AotS book and the instructions, but its a little unclear where the tie off on the bowsprit would be (and a closeup of the bowsprit in the AotS book doesn't show the tie-off point, but that isn't the only inconsistency in the book unfortunately). I'll keep thinking about it, but if anyone has any thoughts I'd love to hear them. And here is how she sits currently. Alexander Bulimov, Gregory, DelF and 8 others 11 Quote Current Build: HM Sloop Echo 1781 (First Scratch Build) Previous Builds: HM Cutter Alert, Sharpie Schooner, Chesapeake Bay Flattie, Half-Hull (NRG) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregory Posted January 16, 2021 Share #362 Posted January 16, 2021 Looking very nice. On those tie off's, keep them simple and cover with coils.. I like this example provided by SpyGlass Maybe not as much volume, but go for the look.. BobG, DelF, egkb and 3 others 6 Quote Luck is just another word for good preparation. —MICHAEL ROSE Current builds: Rattlesnake (Scratch From MS Plans On Hold: HMS Resolution ( AKA Ferrett ) In the Gallery: Yacht Mary, Gretel, French Cannon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VTHokiEE Posted January 16, 2021 Author Share #363 Posted January 16, 2021 6 hours ago, glbarlow said: You should build Cheerful for your next cutter I’ve definitely been giving a few glances to Cheerful... eventually 😉. Old Collingwood and EricWilliamMarshall 2 Quote Current Build: HM Sloop Echo 1781 (First Scratch Build) Previous Builds: HM Cutter Alert, Sharpie Schooner, Chesapeake Bay Flattie, Half-Hull (NRG) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VTHokiEE Posted January 16, 2021 Author Share #364 Posted January 16, 2021 9 minutes ago, Gregory said: Maybe not as much volume, but go for the look.. Great picture, are there any details/links on how to simulate the tie off at the top? Also I’ve seen a few different types of rope coils (I’ll try to get a picture or two linked but I think after a quick google it is typically a could for unattached rope so I may have answered by question...), is there any reason to do one compared to the other? EricWilliamMarshall and Old Collingwood 2 Quote Current Build: HM Sloop Echo 1781 (First Scratch Build) Previous Builds: HM Cutter Alert, Sharpie Schooner, Chesapeake Bay Flattie, Half-Hull (NRG) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalrusGuy Posted January 16, 2021 Share #365 Posted January 16, 2021 It's really coming together! Looks great!! Very nice photographic skills too 🙂 VTHokiEE, Old Collingwood and EricWilliamMarshall 3 Quote Current: USF Confederacy - Model Shipways (Build Log) HMS Pickle - Caldercraft (Build Log) Complete: Virgina 1819 - Artesania Latina (Gallery) U.S. Brig Syren - Model Shipways (Build Log, Gallery) On the shelf: Armed Virginia Sloop - Model Shipways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregory Posted January 16, 2021 Share #366 Posted January 16, 2021 (edited) 14 minutes ago, VTHokiEE said: is there any reason to do one compared to the other? I think it's a matter of " what looks good to you.. Google " images of belaying pins ".. You will see a lot of nice coils.. Edited January 16, 2021 by Gregory VTHokiEE and Old Collingwood 2 Quote Luck is just another word for good preparation. —MICHAEL ROSE Current builds: Rattlesnake (Scratch From MS Plans On Hold: HMS Resolution ( AKA Ferrett ) In the Gallery: Yacht Mary, Gretel, French Cannon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuntherMT Posted January 17, 2021 Share #367 Posted January 17, 2021 Looking great! On your yards/spars, they really shouldn't be touching the mast, but since you've pinned them, your solution is as good as any. You could also try to push them far enough off the mast to cut/remove the pins, but at this point that might cause a lot of grief you don't want should anything go wrong! 2 hours ago, VTHokiEE said: Great picture, are there any details/links on how to simulate the tie off at the top? Also I’ve seen a few different types of rope coils (I’ll try to get a picture or two linked but I think after a quick google it is typically a could for unattached rope so I may have answered by question...), is there any reason to do one compared to the other? I made the simulated tie-offs as part of making the rope coils. Here is a link to the post where I show the jig and explain how I make the coils, but the picture of a coil is place is pretty terrible. https://modelshipworld.com/topic/8085-armed-virginia-sloop-by-gunthermt-finished-model-shipways-scale-148/page/24/?tab=comments#comment-352474 Here is a post I made showing rope coils on various ships in San Diego. https://modelshipworld.com/topic/8085-armed-virginia-sloop-by-gunthermt-finished-model-shipways-scale-148/page/25/?tab=comments#comment-352725 And here is a post showing the little jig in full use and some much better pictures of the results on the model. https://modelshipworld.com/topic/8085-armed-virginia-sloop-by-gunthermt-finished-model-shipways-scale-148/page/25/?tab=comments#comment-353600 Hope some of that is helpful! Old Collingwood, DelF, EricWilliamMarshall and 2 others 5 Quote Brian Mystery project coming soon! Current build - Medway Longboat Complete - Armed Virginia Sloop Complete - Carmen (First Build) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VTHokiEE Posted January 17, 2021 Author Share #368 Posted January 17, 2021 10 minutes ago, GuntherMT said: Hope some of that is helpful! That is incredibly helpful. I really appreciate being able to see the loop at the top, that was the part that I hadn’t figured out yet. Thank you! 11 minutes ago, GuntherMT said: On your yards/spars, they really shouldn't be touching the mast, but since you've pinned them, your solution is as good as any Doh! Oh well, I could possibly trim the pin off but that could very well end up poorly. Yet another tidbit to recall for next time. Very helpful post! Old Collingwood and GuntherMT 2 Quote Current Build: HM Sloop Echo 1781 (First Scratch Build) Previous Builds: HM Cutter Alert, Sharpie Schooner, Chesapeake Bay Flattie, Half-Hull (NRG) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Ensign Posted January 17, 2021 Share #369 Posted January 17, 2021 Yards looking good Tim, 👍 Re:- I'm also pondering how to do the topsail brace. There is a block setup in the AotS book and the instructions, but its a little unclear where the tie off on the bowsprit would be (and a closeup of the bowsprit in the AotS book doesn't show the tie-off point, but that isn't the only inconsistency in the book unfortunately). I'll keep thinking about it, but if anyone has any thoughts I'd love to hear them. I belayed mine at the pin rail above the windlass. B.E. VTHokiEE and Old Collingwood 2 Quote Current Build: HMS Indefatigable-1794-by-blue-ensign-vanguard-models-164-scale Medway-longboat-1742-by-blue-ensign-½”-scale Completed builds: HMS Sphinx 1775 by Blue Ensign. 1:64 scale - Vanguard Models Queen-Anne-Royal-Barge-circa-1700-by-Blue-Ensign Fifie fishing boat Lady Eleanor Muirneag-1903-–-a-scottish-zulu-fishing-boat-164-scale-based-on-the-vanguard-models-zulu-kit/ HM Cutter Alert 1777 HM Cutter Cheerful 1806 18th-century-English-longboat-by-Blue-Ensign-ms-148-scale/ finished 18thc English Pinnace by Blue Ensign-Model-Shipways-1:24 scale/ finished HMS-Pegasus-by-Blue-Ensign-finished-Victory-Models-1:64-scale/ Heller Seventy-four 1:150 scale - modified Le Superbe/Le Glorieux kit after Boudriot, waterline setting with sails. The schooner Pickle, Jotika pob kit 1:64 scale, my interpretation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rik Thistle Posted January 17, 2021 Share #370 Posted January 17, 2021 (edited) I struggled a bit getting the yards parallel As BlackAdder would comment..."they are as parallel as a very parallel thing" 😉 Your build looks so clean and all parts look like they do in the manual.... can't say more than that. Richard Edited January 29, 2021 by Rik Thistle VTHokiEE and Old Collingwood 2 Quote Current build: U.S. Army K51 Radio Truck with K52 Trailer - 1944 - MiniArt - 1:35 Next build: PM Research Crank Shaper - late 1800s - 1:12 Part finished: HMS Flirt (MSE) - 1782 Vanguard Models - 1:64 Finished: Archer anti-tank gun Diorama - 1944 -Tamiya 1:35 : Churchill MkVII tank Diorama - Tamiya - 1:35 - 1944 : Sherman Firefly Tank Diorama - Revell - 1/76 - WWII : Humber MkII Scout Car Diorama - - Revell - 1:76 - WWII : PM Research Drill Press - 1895 - 1:12 : PM Research Milling Machine - late 1800s - 1:12 (est) : Stuart Engineering Lathe - late 1800s - 1:12 (est) : Stuart Beam model steam engine - 1770s onwards - 1:12 (est) : Stuart 10V model steam engine circa 1920s - 1:12 (est) : Lady Eleanor Fifie Circa 1900 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 : Dallas Cutter 1815 - Artesania Latina - 1:50 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glbarlow Posted January 23, 2021 Share #371 Posted January 23, 2021 (edited) The pins on the spars are fine and a good idea Tim, of course it isn’t historically accurate, but it’s a model. You don’t want them bouncing all over the place, Cut the pin shorter and/or hold it tight against the mast with a pin dab of C A. Edited January 23, 2021 by glbarlow VTHokiEE, EricWilliamMarshall and Old Collingwood 3 Quote Regards, Glenn Current Build: HMS Winchelsea Completed Builds: HM Flirt (paused) HM Cutter Cheerful, Lady Nelson, Amati HMS Vanguard, HMS Pegasus, Fair American, HM Granado, HM Pickle, AVS, Pride of Baltimore, Bluenose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Collingwood Posted January 23, 2021 Share #372 Posted January 23, 2021 Excellent work my friend. OC. VTHokiEE 1 Quote Current builds 28mm Battle of Waterloo attack on La Haye Saint Diorama. 1/700 HMS Hood Flyhawk with PE, Resin and Wood Decking. Completed works. Dragon 1/700 HMS Edinburgh type 42 batch 3 Destroyer plastic. HMS Warspite Academy 1/350 plastic kit and wem parts. HMS Trafalgar Airfix 1/350 submarine plastic. Black Pearl 1/72 Revell with pirate crew. Revell 1/48 Mosquito B IV Eduard 1/48 Spitfire IX ICM 1/48 Seafire Mk.III Special Conversion 1/48 Kinetic Sea Harrier FRS1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VTHokiEE Posted January 28, 2021 Author Share #373 Posted January 28, 2021 Thank you all for the likes and comments. It would appear that I'm rounding third on the Alert. I have basically all the lines rigged and have been working a little bit on the detail work. On my to do list is to finish the rope coils, rig the anchors, and try my hand at making an ensign for her. I also purchased an 18' cutter mini kit from Vanguard to distract me while I whittle away at the remains. I plan to display the cutter behind my Alert in a similar fashion to the Cole model. Speak of display, do anyone have any recommendations for cases in the US? Also, how much breathing room around the ship feels right to you all? I know some don't like cases, but I don't like dusting even more 😁. Edwardkenway, WalrusGuy, egkb and 13 others 16 Quote Current Build: HM Sloop Echo 1781 (First Scratch Build) Previous Builds: HM Cutter Alert, Sharpie Schooner, Chesapeake Bay Flattie, Half-Hull (NRG) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Collingwood Posted January 28, 2021 Share #374 Posted January 28, 2021 She is looking Superb - so mutch work my friend. OC. VTHokiEE and Edwardkenway 2 Quote Current builds 28mm Battle of Waterloo attack on La Haye Saint Diorama. 1/700 HMS Hood Flyhawk with PE, Resin and Wood Decking. Completed works. Dragon 1/700 HMS Edinburgh type 42 batch 3 Destroyer plastic. HMS Warspite Academy 1/350 plastic kit and wem parts. HMS Trafalgar Airfix 1/350 submarine plastic. Black Pearl 1/72 Revell with pirate crew. Revell 1/48 Mosquito B IV Eduard 1/48 Spitfire IX ICM 1/48 Seafire Mk.III Special Conversion 1/48 Kinetic Sea Harrier FRS1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Collingwood Posted January 28, 2021 Share #375 Posted January 28, 2021 Sent you a PM mate👍 OC. Edwardkenway and VTHokiEE 2 Quote Current builds 28mm Battle of Waterloo attack on La Haye Saint Diorama. 1/700 HMS Hood Flyhawk with PE, Resin and Wood Decking. Completed works. Dragon 1/700 HMS Edinburgh type 42 batch 3 Destroyer plastic. HMS Warspite Academy 1/350 plastic kit and wem parts. HMS Trafalgar Airfix 1/350 submarine plastic. Black Pearl 1/72 Revell with pirate crew. Revell 1/48 Mosquito B IV Eduard 1/48 Spitfire IX ICM 1/48 Seafire Mk.III Special Conversion 1/48 Kinetic Sea Harrier FRS1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drjeckl Posted January 29, 2021 Share #376 Posted January 29, 2021 Looks awesome. In terms of cases, not sure if I found it here but I bookmarked this site: https://www.acrylicjob.com/shop/ . Have no experience with them but they are in the States, CA. Can't wait to see it in a case. John Edwardkenway, Old Collingwood and VTHokiEE 3 Quote .John Current Build: Lady Nelson Next up: Speedy (Vanguard Models) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryland Craze Posted January 29, 2021 Share #377 Posted January 29, 2021 Your Alert is looking real good. One of the members of my ship model club purchased a case from Grandpa's Cabinets. It was a nice looking case. Here is a link to their website: https://www.grandpascabinets.com/ Old Collingwood, VTHokiEE and Edwardkenway 3 Quote Ryland Member - Hampton Roads Ship Model Society - Ship Model Society of New Jersey - Nautical Research Guild Current Build - Armed Virginia Sloop, 18th Century Longboat Completed Build - Medway Longboat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardkenway Posted January 29, 2021 Share #378 Posted January 29, 2021 Fantastic work Tim, some complex rigging! All in all, she's looking stunning 😁 VTHokiEE and Old Collingwood 2 Quote Current builds; Henry Ramey Upcher 1:25 Providence whaleboat- 1:25 HMS Winchelsea 1764 1:48 Completed: HM Cutter Sherbourne- 1:64- finished Triton cross section scratch- 1:60 - finished Non ship: SBD-3 Dauntless 1:48 Hasegawa -FINISHED Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricWilliamMarshall Posted January 29, 2021 Share #379 Posted January 29, 2021 4 hours ago, Ryland Craze said: Grandpa's Cabinets The same fellow mentioned his pleasure with Grandpa’s Cabinets also mentioned that they are in Florida. Someone else suggested getting anti-glare glass/plexi/etc. Old Collingwood and VTHokiEE 2 Quote Current adventures: USS Perry of 1843, model kit by Bluejacket - Scale 1:96 Lost at Sea: Dapper Tom - model kit by Model Shipways Previous adventures: an English Pinnace, model kit by Model Shipways, Opium Smuggler Schooner Yacht 1805, model kit by Authentic Holland Models Chesapeake Bay Flattie, model kit by Midwest, USS Constitution, model kit by Revell Albatros 1912, card model kit by HMV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VTHokiEE Posted January 29, 2021 Author Share #380 Posted January 29, 2021 Thanks @drjeckl @Ryland Craze @EricWilliamMarshall @Edwardkenway I appreciate the comments and suggestions. I’ll look into those places this weekend (I also need to scout the house an land on a location which may impact the case). Ironically I have a source for plexiglass but lack the tools to make my own case at the moment. EricWilliamMarshall, Old Collingwood and Edwardkenway 3 Quote Current Build: HM Sloop Echo 1781 (First Scratch Build) Previous Builds: HM Cutter Alert, Sharpie Schooner, Chesapeake Bay Flattie, Half-Hull (NRG) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glbarlow Posted January 30, 2021 Share #381 Posted January 30, 2021 Nice rope work Tim - it's looking great. I like the crisp look of a well painted model, the black and red are a nice contrast to the wood and white hull. Very nice looking ship you've got there. Well done! BTW where did you find your build board stand? I've looked for those and always seem to get an out of stock notice. VTHokiEE and Old Collingwood 2 Quote Regards, Glenn Current Build: HMS Winchelsea Completed Builds: HM Flirt (paused) HM Cutter Cheerful, Lady Nelson, Amati HMS Vanguard, HMS Pegasus, Fair American, HM Granado, HM Pickle, AVS, Pride of Baltimore, Bluenose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VTHokiEE Posted January 30, 2021 Author Share #382 Posted January 30, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, glbarlow said: it's looking great Thanks Glenn! 1 hour ago, glbarlow said: build board stand I picked it up from here: http://www.hobbyworld-usa.com/Store/index.php?id_product=2074&controller=product I'm at a little bit of a quandary - how do I lash the anchors? When I try to tie them off the stock seems to interfere with the rigging below as shown here: I'll keep looking for a solution, but how should I lash this so it doesn't interfere with the rigging? I'm not quite following the lashing in the instructions - that calls for it to be looped off the cathead, but even doing that appears as it will cause some interference... Hmmm. Edit: It looks like the instructions have the anchor one timber head further back. I think (hope?) this will provide enough clearance. Edited January 30, 2021 by VTHokiEE GuntherMT, EricWilliamMarshall, Matt D and 3 others 6 Quote Current Build: HM Sloop Echo 1781 (First Scratch Build) Previous Builds: HM Cutter Alert, Sharpie Schooner, Chesapeake Bay Flattie, Half-Hull (NRG) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Collingwood Posted January 30, 2021 Share #383 Posted January 30, 2021 Superb work mate - really top notch work - I would be well proud of workmanship like that. OC. Edwardkenway and VTHokiEE 2 Quote Current builds 28mm Battle of Waterloo attack on La Haye Saint Diorama. 1/700 HMS Hood Flyhawk with PE, Resin and Wood Decking. Completed works. Dragon 1/700 HMS Edinburgh type 42 batch 3 Destroyer plastic. HMS Warspite Academy 1/350 plastic kit and wem parts. HMS Trafalgar Airfix 1/350 submarine plastic. Black Pearl 1/72 Revell with pirate crew. Revell 1/48 Mosquito B IV Eduard 1/48 Spitfire IX ICM 1/48 Seafire Mk.III Special Conversion 1/48 Kinetic Sea Harrier FRS1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobG Posted January 30, 2021 Share #384 Posted January 30, 2021 Wow...simply fantastic! Old Collingwood and VTHokiEE 2 Quote Bob Garcia "Measure once, cuss twice!" Current Builds: Hms Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 - Vanguard Models Pen Duick - Artesania Latina 1:28 Completed: Medway Longboat 1742 - Syren Ship Model Co. Member of the Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VTHokiEE Posted January 30, 2021 Author Share #385 Posted January 30, 2021 Thanks @Old Collingwood 41 minutes ago, BobG said: Wow...simply fantastic! I appreciate it; how is the guitar going? I keep anxiously awaiting a pen duick update 😉 Old Collingwood 1 Quote Current Build: HM Sloop Echo 1781 (First Scratch Build) Previous Builds: HM Cutter Alert, Sharpie Schooner, Chesapeake Bay Flattie, Half-Hull (NRG) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobG Posted January 30, 2021 Share #386 Posted January 30, 2021 1 hour ago, VTHokiEE said: Thanks @Old Collingwood I appreciate it; how is the guitar going? I keep anxiously awaiting a pen duick update 😉 It's going well and I'm really enjoying it. I'm focusing on mostly fingerstyle arrangements of Brazilian bossa nova classics...also a few jazz standards and some Beatles. I just can't seem to pull myself away from the guitar at the moment but I will return to the Pen Duick soon. EricWilliamMarshall, VTHokiEE and Old Collingwood 3 Quote Bob Garcia "Measure once, cuss twice!" Current Builds: Hms Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 - Vanguard Models Pen Duick - Artesania Latina 1:28 Completed: Medway Longboat 1742 - Syren Ship Model Co. Member of the Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VTHokiEE Posted January 30, 2021 Author Share #387 Posted January 30, 2021 I moved the anchor a few times and for the moment I settled on a position slightly back. It is not perfect (there still is some interference), so I am open to suggestions, but without a better idea I think that it could work. 🤔 BobG, Rustyj, EricWilliamMarshall and 6 others 9 Quote Current Build: HM Sloop Echo 1781 (First Scratch Build) Previous Builds: HM Cutter Alert, Sharpie Schooner, Chesapeake Bay Flattie, Half-Hull (NRG) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Collingwood Posted January 30, 2021 Share #388 Posted January 30, 2021 I had a look on the net and found this - not sure if it helps my friend. OC. Rustyj, EricWilliamMarshall, egkb and 3 others 6 Quote Current builds 28mm Battle of Waterloo attack on La Haye Saint Diorama. 1/700 HMS Hood Flyhawk with PE, Resin and Wood Decking. Completed works. Dragon 1/700 HMS Edinburgh type 42 batch 3 Destroyer plastic. HMS Warspite Academy 1/350 plastic kit and wem parts. HMS Trafalgar Airfix 1/350 submarine plastic. Black Pearl 1/72 Revell with pirate crew. Revell 1/48 Mosquito B IV Eduard 1/48 Spitfire IX ICM 1/48 Seafire Mk.III Special Conversion 1/48 Kinetic Sea Harrier FRS1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillH Posted January 31, 2021 Share #389 Posted January 31, 2021 I recall BE having the same dilema and eventually moved the shroud fixings under the cathead. Phill VTHokiEE, Old Collingwood and EricWilliamMarshall 3 Quote Current Build: HM Cutter Alert 1777 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VTHokiEE Posted February 5, 2021 Author Share #390 Posted February 5, 2021 After a little over a year I have finished my Alert (completion shots below and it appears that I may have to do a little dusting already). One note that may help new builders in the future (but it may not be the ideal method) is that after I overpainted the flag (on silkspan) and let the paint dry I misted it with water, shaped it and then let it dry out again. Once it was dry the flag held it's shape very well. I have picked up Vanguard's version 1 of their 18' cutter (if I had only waited a week or so I couldn't gotten V2, but timing is everything 😄) which I hope to complete for the final display and I have to figure out a case so I'll hopefully add a few final encased pictures when the time comes. I enjoyed this kit very much - thank you all for following along and all the likes, advice and words of encouragement. rafine, Alexander Bulimov, chris watton and 24 others 25 1 1 Quote Current Build: HM Sloop Echo 1781 (First Scratch Build) Previous Builds: HM Cutter Alert, Sharpie Schooner, Chesapeake Bay Flattie, Half-Hull (NRG) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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