JSGerson Posted October 8, 2013 Author Share #361 Posted October 8, 2013 Peaches, my cat, is extremely affectionate. She will actually asked to be picked up and held ...tightly multiply times during the day. To get her off the chair and make it seem like her idea, I show her my secret weapon - a comb. She loves to be combed and combine that with a tummy rub, she will come running. Crazy for a cat, right? Once she has been sated, the chair is mine again. I hope to get the seats of ease done by this weekend. Next week I'll be attending the Nautical Research Guild Conference in Charleston SC which not too far from where I live. I hope to learn a bunch to stuff and have a good time. http://www.thenrg.org/2013-nrg-charleston-conference-details.php So things on the model building side may slow down again. Quote Current Build: Model Shipways USS Frigate Constitution Past Builds: Bob Hunt's kitbash of the Mamoli Rattlesnake Model Shipways Typical Ship’s Boat for the Rattlesnake Mini-Mamoli solid hull British Schooner Evergreen Model Airways Albatros D.Va - 1917, The Red Baron's Forgotten Fighter Member: Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin W Posted October 8, 2013 Share #362 Posted October 8, 2013 Hey lucky you -- I've dreamed of going to that conference for years, but it always takes place right when I happen to be very, very busy with work. I can't quite imagine convincing my boss that I need to attend a conference on modelling. Soak up every little detail. Cheers, Martin Quote Current Build: HMS FLY 1776 Previous Builds: Rattlesnake 1781 Prince de Neufchatel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSGerson Posted October 8, 2013 Author Share #363 Posted October 8, 2013 Yeah, I got lucky. I only found out about the Guild earlier this year and then it turns out they had a yearly conference and then to find that it was being held in my neck of the woods and I had the time (newly retired), the opportunity, and the money to attend...I hit the jackpot. Martin W 1 Quote Current Build: Model Shipways USS Frigate Constitution Past Builds: Bob Hunt's kitbash of the Mamoli Rattlesnake Model Shipways Typical Ship’s Boat for the Rattlesnake Mini-Mamoli solid hull British Schooner Evergreen Model Airways Albatros D.Va - 1917, The Red Baron's Forgotten Fighter Member: Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSGerson Posted October 11, 2013 Author Share #364 Posted October 11, 2013 As I have mentioned before I am following fellow Rattlesnake builder Pasi Ahopelto. His seats of ease varied a bit from that shown in Hahn’s plans. Each seat is made of 4 pieces of boxwood, the base, 2 sides, and the seat. The base was the trickiest part because it had to fit flush with the grating and wrap around the cross beams and rail supports. Quote Current Build: Model Shipways USS Frigate Constitution Past Builds: Bob Hunt's kitbash of the Mamoli Rattlesnake Model Shipways Typical Ship’s Boat for the Rattlesnake Mini-Mamoli solid hull British Schooner Evergreen Model Airways Albatros D.Va - 1917, The Red Baron's Forgotten Fighter Member: Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSGerson Posted October 11, 2013 Author Share #365 Posted October 11, 2013 In addition, only a portion of the base is to be seen. Once the base was installed I realized I shaped it wrong – it covered too much. The area directly below the seat was not open enough. Quote Current Build: Model Shipways USS Frigate Constitution Past Builds: Bob Hunt's kitbash of the Mamoli Rattlesnake Model Shipways Typical Ship’s Boat for the Rattlesnake Mini-Mamoli solid hull British Schooner Evergreen Model Airways Albatros D.Va - 1917, The Red Baron's Forgotten Fighter Member: Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSGerson Posted October 11, 2013 Author Share #366 Posted October 11, 2013 This was remedied by drilling and carving out a crude U-shaped opening. As long as it was a clear shot, as it were, to the sea it worked. This part of the structure would not be seen. Quote Current Build: Model Shipways USS Frigate Constitution Past Builds: Bob Hunt's kitbash of the Mamoli Rattlesnake Model Shipways Typical Ship’s Boat for the Rattlesnake Mini-Mamoli solid hull British Schooner Evergreen Model Airways Albatros D.Va - 1917, The Red Baron's Forgotten Fighter Member: Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSGerson Posted October 11, 2013 Author Share #367 Posted October 11, 2013 Based on the typical dimensions of a home toilet and the images provided by Pasi, I made the sides height 3/16” and the seat opening 1/8”. I was a little concerned that I might have trouble with the bumkins fitting right next to the seats, but I think I’m OK. JPett 1 Quote Current Build: Model Shipways USS Frigate Constitution Past Builds: Bob Hunt's kitbash of the Mamoli Rattlesnake Model Shipways Typical Ship’s Boat for the Rattlesnake Mini-Mamoli solid hull British Schooner Evergreen Model Airways Albatros D.Va - 1917, The Red Baron's Forgotten Fighter Member: Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin W Posted October 13, 2013 Share #368 Posted October 13, 2013 Well, hey, they worked! They make a nice, realistic touch to the build. Cheers, Martin Quote Current Build: HMS FLY 1776 Previous Builds: Rattlesnake 1781 Prince de Neufchatel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSGerson Posted October 14, 2013 Author Share #369 Posted October 14, 2013 Thanks. I'll be starting work on the rudder and tiller soon, probably next week. Not much construction will take place this week due to the Nautical Research Guild Conference in Charleston SC. Quote Current Build: Model Shipways USS Frigate Constitution Past Builds: Bob Hunt's kitbash of the Mamoli Rattlesnake Model Shipways Typical Ship’s Boat for the Rattlesnake Mini-Mamoli solid hull British Schooner Evergreen Model Airways Albatros D.Va - 1917, The Red Baron's Forgotten Fighter Member: Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSGerson Posted October 27, 2013 Author Share #370 Posted October 27, 2013 Rudder and Tiller It’s time I spent working on the other end of the ship and add the rudder and tiller. Per the Practicum, the rudder is made of three pieces: 2 boxwood pieces for the rudder and tiller, and 1 ebony piece (in my case black painted walnut) for the false keel extension. Based on what I have seen in this website and other sources, the rudder is not a solid piece wood. The Mamoli plans as well as the Model Shipway plans both show a composite build albeit slightly different from each other. Hahn’s plans do not address the makeup of the rudder. I chose to follow the Mamoli plan. The Practicum calls for the rudder post to be made of 1/8” square boxwood. Bob Hunt used a single piece of 1/8” boxwood, but because the wood package does not contain a piece of the rudder size, the Practicum instructs you make it from two pieces of 1/8” x ¼” edge glued to give sufficient width. If I have to edge glue two pieces, I might as well edge glue 3 piece of 1/16” x 1/8” to match the Mamoli plans. Since my wood package didn't have 1/16” x 1/8” boxwood, I used 1/16” x 5/32” and used my Byrnes dimension sander to reduce it down 1/8” thick. Hopefully I didn't use too much of the 1/16” x 5/32” boxwood for whatever it was later intended. Quote Current Build: Model Shipways USS Frigate Constitution Past Builds: Bob Hunt's kitbash of the Mamoli Rattlesnake Model Shipways Typical Ship’s Boat for the Rattlesnake Mini-Mamoli solid hull British Schooner Evergreen Model Airways Albatros D.Va - 1917, The Red Baron's Forgotten Fighter Member: Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSGerson Posted October 27, 2013 Author Share #371 Posted October 27, 2013 After gluing, the rudder was shaped to match the drawing and then glued to the post. GeorgeF 1 Quote Current Build: Model Shipways USS Frigate Constitution Past Builds: Bob Hunt's kitbash of the Mamoli Rattlesnake Model Shipways Typical Ship’s Boat for the Rattlesnake Mini-Mamoli solid hull British Schooner Evergreen Model Airways Albatros D.Va - 1917, The Red Baron's Forgotten Fighter Member: Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSGerson Posted October 27, 2013 Author Share #372 Posted October 27, 2013 The false keel was added and the whole assembly was then shaped to match the keel thickness. The tiller edge was rounded over to allow the rudder to rotate even though it will be glued fixed in place. The false keel was then painted black. Quote Current Build: Model Shipways USS Frigate Constitution Past Builds: Bob Hunt's kitbash of the Mamoli Rattlesnake Model Shipways Typical Ship’s Boat for the Rattlesnake Mini-Mamoli solid hull British Schooner Evergreen Model Airways Albatros D.Va - 1917, The Red Baron's Forgotten Fighter Member: Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSGerson Posted October 27, 2013 Author Share #373 Posted October 27, 2013 5/32” notches were then cut into the tiller edge to accommodate the grudgeons (pins) and pinties (straps). The notch had a top edge straight cut while the bottom curved. This was accomplished using the fine tooth saw from my miter box, a micro chisel, and some needle files. In hindsight, if I were to do this again I would have made the notches a bit longer, at least 3/16”. In order for the rudder to be removed, a working space of one strap as a minimum would be required. Therefore 2 straps widths and one strap space is about 3/16”. Quote Current Build: Model Shipways USS Frigate Constitution Past Builds: Bob Hunt's kitbash of the Mamoli Rattlesnake Model Shipways Typical Ship’s Boat for the Rattlesnake Mini-Mamoli solid hull British Schooner Evergreen Model Airways Albatros D.Va - 1917, The Red Baron's Forgotten Fighter Member: Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSGerson Posted October 27, 2013 Author Share #374 Posted October 27, 2013 The Practicum claimed that the cast grudgeons and pinties parts that came with the kit were too thick and the spacing between the two sides was too large to use. The Practicum called for them to be made out styrene. Since they were to be painted black, there would be no hint as to what material they were made of. I suppose I could have made the pinties out of card stock or paper and the skipped the grudgeons since they would not be seen. But I didn't. If this were a larger scale model, I might have tried to make those pieces out of metal and blackened them (which by the way I’ve never done), but since it wasn’t, I didn't. I just wanted to let anyone know I did think about it. The Practicum called for the pinties to be made out of .015” x .060” styrene and the grudgeons .060 styrene rod. I used .050 styrene rod as I didn't have any of the other. It made no real difference. The pinties have rivets so using a dull but pointy instrument, I impressed on the backside of the styrene straps to make bumps on the opposite side. The straps were painted black except on their backside. I wanted a clean surface for the glue. In this case, I used “airplane” glue. Quote Current Build: Model Shipways USS Frigate Constitution Past Builds: Bob Hunt's kitbash of the Mamoli Rattlesnake Model Shipways Typical Ship’s Boat for the Rattlesnake Mini-Mamoli solid hull British Schooner Evergreen Model Airways Albatros D.Va - 1917, The Red Baron's Forgotten Fighter Member: Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSGerson Posted October 27, 2013 Author Share #375 Posted October 27, 2013 (edited) In a sentence that could be easily overlooked, the Practicum instructs the builder to drill a 1/16” hole in the rudder post for the tiller and then goes silent on the construction of the tiller for another 23 pages. I decided to construct the tiller now while everything was off the model and easy to manipulate. The Practicum instructs the builder to use 1/16” x 3/32” boxwood to make the tiller. That’s it, no other instruction on shape. The 3 plans show a simple straight rod going through the rudder post. The Mamoli and MS plans show some reinforcing blocks where the tiller passes through the post but no real detail. Bob’s tiller looked quite nice and structural stronger than what the plans showed with no reinforcing blocks. The blocks would add the material and strength back that was drilled out for the tiller hole. So my tiller is based on Bob’s photo of his tiller and the reinforcing blocks. Edited October 27, 2013 by JSGerson Quote Current Build: Model Shipways USS Frigate Constitution Past Builds: Bob Hunt's kitbash of the Mamoli Rattlesnake Model Shipways Typical Ship’s Boat for the Rattlesnake Mini-Mamoli solid hull British Schooner Evergreen Model Airways Albatros D.Va - 1917, The Red Baron's Forgotten Fighter Member: Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WackoWolf Posted October 28, 2013 Share #376 Posted October 28, 2013 SHe is coming along beautiful. Keep the pictures coming. Very nice work. Quote Wacko Joe Go MSW :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin W Posted October 28, 2013 Share #377 Posted October 28, 2013 That's a well-built rudder & tiller, Jon. Good job. Have you tried fitting it in place yet? I only ask because that's where I had to make lots of adjustments, and found that Bob's instructions/measurements were actually off. I can't recall exactly, but it seems that the rudder passed through the Captain's Cabin more forward that Bob says it does (each build is different, of course). I also figured out -- after the fact -- that my tiller was too long, so that I had to pull it out and trim it. And how was the conference? Keep at it -- Martin Quote Current Build: HMS FLY 1776 Previous Builds: Rattlesnake 1781 Prince de Neufchatel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSGerson Posted October 28, 2013 Author Share #378 Posted October 28, 2013 Due to the errors that I made during the early part of the transom construction which I think I discussed at length, I knew I would have problems with the rudder post. On my model, I had to make the rudder post opening butt against the transom and even then I had to fudge a bit with the post. Actually I made the rudder post at the same time I made the post opening using the post as a guide to position the opening. Once I knew they would fit I put the post aside till it was time to use it. As for the tiller, I don't think I will have a problem due to the fact the rudder post is so far back. The conference was great. Over the course of 4 days, we had 12 speakers and 3 tours. The speakers were excellent, all top notch experts in their areas. They talked everything restoring actual relics including the USS Monitor, modeling techniques, history of private boat building in Racine WI, among others. The tours included touring 3 WWII warships (carrier, destroyer, & sub), visiting the first sub to sink a warship, the Hunley, and a tour of Ft. Sumter. So I'm planning to go to St. Louis next October for the next conference. Quote Current Build: Model Shipways USS Frigate Constitution Past Builds: Bob Hunt's kitbash of the Mamoli Rattlesnake Model Shipways Typical Ship’s Boat for the Rattlesnake Mini-Mamoli solid hull British Schooner Evergreen Model Airways Albatros D.Va - 1917, The Red Baron's Forgotten Fighter Member: Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin W Posted October 28, 2013 Share #379 Posted October 28, 2013 You might just set a dowel in the hole for the mizzen mast, and remember that you'll also need space for the binnacle behind the mizzen mast. That way you'll know with some certainty how things will line up. I got the email describing the conference, and it sounds like it was great. And of course you also got to see some of the big names in modelling in the flesh! Cheers, Martin Quote Current Build: HMS FLY 1776 Previous Builds: Rattlesnake 1781 Prince de Neufchatel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSGerson Posted October 28, 2013 Author Share #380 Posted October 28, 2013 Thanks for the tip. BTW, I got my copy of Ship Modeler's Shop Notes Vol II signed by the editor Daniel Pariser and one the associate editors, Paul Fontenoy. Even Jim Brynes was there with all his goodies! Quote Current Build: Model Shipways USS Frigate Constitution Past Builds: Bob Hunt's kitbash of the Mamoli Rattlesnake Model Shipways Typical Ship’s Boat for the Rattlesnake Mini-Mamoli solid hull British Schooner Evergreen Model Airways Albatros D.Va - 1917, The Red Baron's Forgotten Fighter Member: Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSGerson Posted October 31, 2013 Author Share #381 Posted October 31, 2013 The rudder and post have been installed as well as the pinties on the hull. As you can see the rudder post comes up through the deck real close to transom. That’s not the way it should be, but as I had explained earlier in this blog, that’s the way it is. You will also notice I added the reinforcing blocks. They came out a bit larger than I thought they would so they may or may not stay in their present configuration. It all depends if I can remove them easily enough to modify them. I’m leaving the tiller off as well as the binnacle, which was made earlier, until later when the chances of breaking them will be reduced. Quote Current Build: Model Shipways USS Frigate Constitution Past Builds: Bob Hunt's kitbash of the Mamoli Rattlesnake Model Shipways Typical Ship’s Boat for the Rattlesnake Mini-Mamoli solid hull British Schooner Evergreen Model Airways Albatros D.Va - 1917, The Red Baron's Forgotten Fighter Member: Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSGerson Posted October 31, 2013 Author Share #382 Posted October 31, 2013 The Anchors The Practicum states that the anchors that came with the Mamoli kit had over sized walnut stock pieces although the anchors themselves weren't too bad. Therefore the Practicum instructed the builder to use 2 pieces of 5/32” x ¼” x 1 13/16” boxwood for the two anchors. Why boxwood; probably because neither the wood package from HobbyMills nor the kit has this stock size in walnut. I chose not to follow the Practicum for the anchors except for the dimensions of the wooden stock. It didn't mimic the way actual anchors were put together . Having followed Blue Ensign’s wonderful discussion on anchors for his build of the 1/64 scale HMS Pegasus, I chose to followed in his footsteps more or less. He did use walnut and his construction of the anchors was more realistic than the Practicum. First step was to get some appropriate sized walnut. I had two obvious choices, buy mail-order or buy local. Since I needed it now I went looking on the web for a local wood supplier other than construction lumber. Since there was no exotic woods store in my town, who would carry walnut wood? A furniture manufacture… none local; a cabinet maker…nope; a furniture restorer…BINGO! I was able to get a nice piece of miscellaneous walnut from this “guy” who restored stuff for an interior decorator store. He even threw in a slab of teak and one of cherry all for a small nominal fee. The walnut had some grooves for a tongue and groove piece of something and was finished on one edge. But a few trips through the Byrnes saw and I had what I needed with plenty to spare. WackoWolf 1 Quote Current Build: Model Shipways USS Frigate Constitution Past Builds: Bob Hunt's kitbash of the Mamoli Rattlesnake Model Shipways Typical Ship’s Boat for the Rattlesnake Mini-Mamoli solid hull British Schooner Evergreen Model Airways Albatros D.Va - 1917, The Red Baron's Forgotten Fighter Member: Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin W Posted October 31, 2013 Share #383 Posted October 31, 2013 Wow that sounds like a real find! Could you perhaps post some photos of the wood prior to its encounter with the saw and after? I'd love to see how big the pieces were and how you passed them through the saw -- I know that saw is powerful, but it's still kind of small. And congratulations on getting your signed book. I'm hoping someday to be able to attend that conference too. There are also some workshops offered by Greg Herbert and David Antscherl -- unfortunately, the latest one just passed, but you can track them here: http://www.admiraltymodels.com/Workshops.html As for the rudder & post -- yours came out just about where mine did; I jiggled with it for quite a while, filing it and cutting the inner edge down so that I could get it away from the transom. I don't seem to have any photos of that part, but maybe I'll take some this evening and send them to you. And you're right to follow Blue E for the anchors -- mine gave me loads and loads of problems. Bob's instructions are too complicated there, with too many unnecessary steps. Cheers, Martin Quote Current Build: HMS FLY 1776 Previous Builds: Rattlesnake 1781 Prince de Neufchatel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSGerson Posted October 31, 2013 Author Share #384 Posted October 31, 2013 Thanks for the link to the workshops. Even if I can't make it to them, the website seems to have a lot of goodies for reference. Per your request Martin, here are pictures of the wood I got. The top photo is of the walnut and had already sliced off the long grooved edge. You can still see and edge on the short end and what looks like the remnants of a groove along the face. I used the large tooth saw blade on the Byrnes saw to cut that edge so that two pieces fell off that formed the groove leaving a flat edge. From those two pieces I created my blanks using the fine tooth saw blade for the anchor. You will see the blanks when I post the anchor build. The other image is of the teak wood (bottom 3 pieces) and the cherry wood (top). NOTE: there are TWO rulers shown. I had the "guy" slice a couple of pieces of the teak so I could handle it in the Byrnes saw. The cherry was a little thicker but shorter. I might have to make two passes to cut them as the Byrnes saw only cuts to an inch thick. All told, I invested $20! Jon G Quote Current Build: Model Shipways USS Frigate Constitution Past Builds: Bob Hunt's kitbash of the Mamoli Rattlesnake Model Shipways Typical Ship’s Boat for the Rattlesnake Mini-Mamoli solid hull British Schooner Evergreen Model Airways Albatros D.Va - 1917, The Red Baron's Forgotten Fighter Member: Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin W Posted November 1, 2013 Share #385 Posted November 1, 2013 At $20 you got a pretty good deal! I bought a chunk of boxwood from some place a few years ago in hopes of doing some carving. But most of my free time is devoted to the ship or to building the workshop where I hope to build my future models. I think hobbymill also carries some good sized blocks. I'll look forward to seeing your anchors. Here's a shot of one of mine: It was the metal strips that gave me the most trouble. I ended up using blackened paper. Cheers, Martin Quote Current Build: HMS FLY 1776 Previous Builds: Rattlesnake 1781 Prince de Neufchatel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSGerson Posted November 1, 2013 Author Share #386 Posted November 1, 2013 I am planning on using black paper as well. According to Blue Ensign the strips are just 1 mm wide. At that thickness, no one can tell what they are made of. Your model looks real nice by the way. Jon Quote Current Build: Model Shipways USS Frigate Constitution Past Builds: Bob Hunt's kitbash of the Mamoli Rattlesnake Model Shipways Typical Ship’s Boat for the Rattlesnake Mini-Mamoli solid hull British Schooner Evergreen Model Airways Albatros D.Va - 1917, The Red Baron's Forgotten Fighter Member: Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anja Posted November 4, 2013 Share #387 Posted November 4, 2013 Hello Jon, Happy birthday. I hope you have a wonderful day. Regards, Anja Quote Those we loved but lost are no longer where they were, but are always where we are. In the gallery: Albatros 1840 - Constructo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSGerson Posted November 5, 2013 Author Share #388 Posted November 5, 2013 The anchor stocks are made of two pieces that are bolted and treenailed together. The stock walnut pieces were cut that two pieces matched the overall dimensions indicated in the Practicum Quote Current Build: Model Shipways USS Frigate Constitution Past Builds: Bob Hunt's kitbash of the Mamoli Rattlesnake Model Shipways Typical Ship’s Boat for the Rattlesnake Mini-Mamoli solid hull British Schooner Evergreen Model Airways Albatros D.Va - 1917, The Red Baron's Forgotten Fighter Member: Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSGerson Posted November 5, 2013 Author Share #389 Posted November 5, 2013 Using the Dremel drill press rig and a #70 drill, holes were drilled into the wood to accept the treenails and the pseudo bolts. The “bolts” holes were drilled next to the shank-hole position before any shaping of the stock. This was to make it easier to use the drill press. Quote Current Build: Model Shipways USS Frigate Constitution Past Builds: Bob Hunt's kitbash of the Mamoli Rattlesnake Model Shipways Typical Ship’s Boat for the Rattlesnake Mini-Mamoli solid hull British Schooner Evergreen Model Airways Albatros D.Va - 1917, The Red Baron's Forgotten Fighter Member: Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSGerson Posted November 5, 2013 Author Share #390 Posted November 5, 2013 The shank hole was measured and chiseled out taking caution to ensure that both pieces of the stock mirrored each other to create a nice tight square hole. The two halves of the stock then glued together. Quote Current Build: Model Shipways USS Frigate Constitution Past Builds: Bob Hunt's kitbash of the Mamoli Rattlesnake Model Shipways Typical Ship’s Boat for the Rattlesnake Mini-Mamoli solid hull British Schooner Evergreen Model Airways Albatros D.Va - 1917, The Red Baron's Forgotten Fighter Member: Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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