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8 hours ago, glbarlow said:

"Tie a loop with one loose clove hitch slide it to get close, out the deadeye in use your jig to set the distance....."

Thanks for this. I have just tried the clove hitch method on a test piece, looks better and seems to be more manageable. I will try this on my actual shrouds and I report back in due course.

 

Donnie's YouTube method replicates what is illustrated in Lennarth's excellent  rigging book and I have concluded it is too complicated for me for the time being.

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Adding the futtock staves, catharpins and futtock shrouds to the foremast shrouds turned out to be more difficult and complicated that I expected.

 

Rigging the shrouds was a fairly straight forward task. The futtock stave did not appear to be that complicated but I soon ran into problems when adding the catharpins with unwanted twisting of the shroud. After several attempts to get it sorted I finally managed to get it looking passable so was able to add the futtock shrouds. 

 

The completed lower foremast shroud rigging is not great, 2 of 10 at best as can be seen from the photos below. As far as I am concerned the task is now complete and will be acceptable once the rest of the rigging is complete. I hope to do a bit better when I start to rig the main mast shrouds, futtocks, etc.

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dealing with the same stage on my model, I follow the below diagram for attaching the deadeyes. The line crosses itself right above the deadeye (called a throat seizing). The beauty of the thing is, once this seizing is done, you can slide it to the correct position in the vertical plane and insert the deadeye when the position of the loop is spot on. 

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I also share your struggle regarding the catharpins. Some modelers make it from wire (sufficiently painted). I haven't tried it, but there might be some advantages.

You may also consider using thinner lines for both the futtock shrouds and the shroud seizing above the deadeyes. 

the model looks great, keep on the good work.

 

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28 minutes ago, DavidG said:

 I follow the below diagram for attaching the deadeyes.

 

Your diagram is similar to the method used in Donnie's YouTube video and as shown Lennarth's excellent book. I did struggle to replicate this. I think I need to spend some time practising to be able to rig in this manner. I know what I did was not correct and looks a bit messy but it the best I can do at the moment. 

 

The biggest problem I had was the catharpins, but after much swearing, several refits I got to a workable solution for this build.

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if it helps, this is how I do it:

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first, prepare one end of the shroud: make an empty loop by the end of it. use the thinnest thread from your kit for this. once the loop is done, insert a deadeye and pull it tight. then add the two seizing above (you can finish it by brushing on diluted glue).

then, find an approximate position of the deadeye on the other end. this don't need to be exact. make an empty loop and leave it as is, for now.

Then place the pair of shrouds on the model, and use a wire spacer to temporarily fix the rigged end. by sliding the empty loop on the other end, find the proper position for the other deadeye. insert a deadeye, pull it tight. Finally add the two seizings. For the last step, you may wish to remove the shroud from the model to make finishing more convenient, or use some made up device as below (I know it's not looking great):

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i hope it helps.

 

 

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I have continued work on Speedy, at a much slower pace due to the nice weather which means working in the garden. Also I do not enjoy the shroud work and I can always find a good reason to put off starting.

 

I have finished making the main mast and will start with the standing rigging over the next few days. According to the manual and rigging plans I should start with the shrouds. However when looking at the build photos the gaff and boom were fitted to the main mast by Chris prior to the shrouds. I think this makes sense as space will be limited once the shrouds have been added.

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I'm loving it!    I'm still slogging through the first planking.  It looks beautiful so far.

 

I'm playing with the idea of backdating mine to the age of crows feet, because I see many a 28, 36, and 44 in my future....

 

Carry on, Sir!!   It's looking bloody marvelous.  Sir Glenmorangie says so hisself, he does.

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Looking really good Glenn. I’m sure you’re right to fit the gaff and boom first. 
 

Derek

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My progress is slow at the moment. I have finally installed both the rudder and the main mast so today I started work on adding the boom prior to fitting the shrouds.

 

As can be seen from the plan sheet there is a nice double block assembly required for the boom topping lift.

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This took a little bit of time and effort to get the loops on the blocks, but it was not as difficult as I first feared and the boom was fitted and the topping lift added without to many problems. I just need to finish off belaying the drop. I have positioned it around the belaying pin, but I needed to take a break so will come back to it tomorrow to finish it off and add the other boom rigging. I will also add and rig the gaff in the next few days before I start work on the main mast shrouds.

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I realised that I had not fitted the cleats to the stern patterns so it was a bit tricky drilling the holes with the tiller and cannons in situ, but I took my time and managed it without incident.

 

 

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I have now finished adding the boom and gaff. I did have to redo the boom because I made a fundamental rigging error with the boom topping lift rigging, as I took it through the wrong double block on the main mast.

 

I did find it difficult threading the 0.25mm natural thread through the 3mm single blocks even when the end was hardened with ca, but eventually found a workable solution.

 

As I have said before I'm not very good at rigging, or taking photo's but I'm getting a bit better at the rigging.

 

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I did find it difficult threading the 0.25mm natural thread through the 3mm single blocks even when the end was hardened with ca, but eventually found a workable solution.

What was your solution ? I hope to build the "Flirt" as my next project.

 

Richard

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Just now, Suzdal said:

What was your solution ? I hope to build the "Flirt" as my next project.

 

Richard

I taper the edge of the thread but cutting at approx. 45 degrees across the thread which really helps. I normally run a 0.6mm micro drill through the 3mm block holes which seems OK for the most part but I have increased the micro drill bit size to 0.7mm when the thread is 0.25mm which seems to have done the trick.

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I have not done an update for a while. I have decided to take a different approach and I plan to only part rig the build. The rigging instructions are very easy to follow but with my poor near vision, and my extra large hands I'm been finding it a challenge.

 

Also I have a new project starting shortly with a 1 / 250 scale build of the Yamato.

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