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This is a kit I have wanted to try for a long time. I was inspired to finally go out and find one by member Duanelaker's recent build. I got this one on e-bay for $19.50 plus shipping. I hope I can do it justice.

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The box shows a little water staining but the contents were dry and did not at first appear to have been wet.

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All of the parts were in their unopened original packaging.

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An inventory confirmed all of the parts were there, including two pre-made and finished paddles plus the parts required to make two more. As you can see there is some discoloration (mildew) on the "strongback" building base.20200308_205016.thumb.jpg.a9d1f413e4a413093b946a6ef3b15a7b.jpg

Upon closer inspection you can see that it is warped to the point of rendering it unusable.

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This will be easily replaced by a nice stable strip of 3/4" marine plywood.

 

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Two of the building forms were slightly warped also. So I soaked them for a couple of minutes and clamped them between a couple of strong backs for the night.

 

Hopefully I will be able to get started in earnest tomorrow night.

 

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9 minutes ago, Osmosis said:

This is a kit I have wanted to try for a long time. I was inspired to finally go out and find one by member Duanelaker's recent build. I got this one on e-bay for $19.50 plus shipping. I hope I can do it justice.

You'll have fun building this canoe and you got an incredible deal on it!

Bob Garcia

"Measure once, cuss twice!"

 

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I look forward to following along!  Maybe you will give me inspiration to finish 😊 

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2 minutes ago, Duanelaker said:

I look forward to following along!  Maybe you will give me inspiration to finish 😊 

I hope so. You've done a really nice job on yours so far. Should be no problem since you only have 5 builds going right now... 😎

Bob Garcia

"Measure once, cuss twice!"

 

Current Builds: 

Hms Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 - Vanguard Models

Pen Duick - Artesania Latina 1:28

 

Completed: Medway Longboat 1742 - Syren Ship Model Co. 

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Thanks for the likes and the comments. Well several minor and correctable things about this kit slowed me down tonight. The dies were obviously not what they once were by the time this kit was made. All of the die cut sheet parts have a terrible bevel on them. Also none of the parts are symmetrical.

 

I know big deal it is just a canoe and only cost me $19.50 after all. But here is the thing. I am a design engineer by day. I design piping and control systems for water treatment systems. Most of my day is spent staring at a computer screen drawing and looking at perfectly parallel and perpendicular lines. Also by design most piping components are symmetrical. So I can tell from across the room if two lines are square or parallel or if a shape is symmetrical. These things just jump right out at me. And if they should be but are not it really drives me nuts beyond description. Call it anal retentive or OCD or what ever. I cannot just let it go.

 

Having said all that on with the show as they say.

 

My quick fix of the warped frames seems to have worked pretty well.

 

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To start with here is my new building base to replace the warp one that came with the kit. 3/4" Birch grade A ply. So far so good.

 

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I started by just checking how square the parts were as you can see by the reference lines they are not at all.

 

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Then I drew the center lines using the plan as a template this is where the odd shape really jumped out at me. This is both F3 frames one on top of the other. they align perfectly but you can see they are lopsided.

 

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However flip the top one over and bam! So using a sanding block I removed the excess material from first the top piece then switched to the bottom one.

 

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Then I redrew the center line. Not perfect but a lot better.

 

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The pair of F2 Frames were also the same but not quite as bad. Here they are with new center lines and nice square bottoms.

 

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Then I laid out the building base as instructed.

 

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Using my small square and this little block I found in a box of tools I purchased a couple of years ago started installing the frames on the base.

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The gussets were just cut from the corners of the die cut sheets. Over kill I know but I would refer you to the top of this post. I also eased the edges of the frames where the planking lays to limit the surface area in contact with the glued up planks.

 

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Then I laid out the stem pieces on the plan these also required quite a bit of reshaping.

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Well that is it for tonight. I know I created more work than I really needed to but that's what I do.

 

Gotta go now the panthers are playing.

 

 

Don't know why this extra pic is down here I have tried several times to edit and delete it but it will not go away.

 

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When I got home from work this evening I put a couple coats of wipe on poly on the areas of the frames that will be in contact with the planking in the hopes of minimizing gluing between the two. Once that was good and dry I mounted the keel assembly to the frames and base board. Then the first plank was cut beveled and glued up.

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Then its opposite member.

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I knew those dollar store toy cloths pins would come in handy some day. I think I will let that set up for awhile before proceeding any further tonight.

 

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Just a brief update tonight.

 

Before I went to bed last night I noticed that one of the first planks was not sitting tightly against all of the forms. I did not take a picture but it was off of both of the F2 frames by about 1/8". So after laying in bed thinking about it for a couple of hours, at about 1:30 this morning had to get up and fix it.

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I simply took a kerf cut worth of material away when I cut it.

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Then cleaned up both sides of the cut.

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Clamped and re-glued it and that was all it took. So I went back to bed and slept like a baby.

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Today the planking continues.

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The gunnel has a distinct inward turn at the top at frames F2-F3-F2. I added the three clamps along this edge to keep the top of the plank firmly pressed into this part of the frames. I will leave them there until the planking is complete.

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Not more than a week or so at the rate I am going.

 

Well better get back to it. I can get 2 or 3 more before bed time.

 

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3 hours ago, Osmosis said:

So after laying in bed thinking about it for a couple of hours, at about 1:30 this morning had to get up and fix it.

 

Oh man, you've got the modeling habit bad! I've gone to bed thinking about my build but I haven't gotten up to work on it yet!

Bob Garcia

"Measure once, cuss twice!"

 

Current Builds: 

Hms Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 - Vanguard Models

Pen Duick - Artesania Latina 1:28

 

Completed: Medway Longboat 1742 - Syren Ship Model Co. 

Member of the Nautical Research Guild

 

 

 

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Oh man, you've got the modeling habit bad! I've gone to bed thinking about my build but I haven't gotten up to work on it yet!

Habit is such an ugly word, I prefer "Passion".

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9 hours ago, Osmosis said:

Habit is such an ugly word, I prefer "Passion".

I agree, passion is better choice of words. My passion for various does lead to some "good habits" for me though.

Bob Garcia

"Measure once, cuss twice!"

 

Current Builds: 

Hms Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 - Vanguard Models

Pen Duick - Artesania Latina 1:28

 

Completed: Medway Longboat 1742 - Syren Ship Model Co. 

Member of the Nautical Research Guild

 

 

 

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Thanks for all the likes.

 

And the planking continues. I told the admiral I will be self quarantining in my hobby room until the crisis passes or I am done planking which ever comes first. I think the corona virus will be long gone before I am done planking this thing. 

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Slow and steady. I am using PVA exclusively on this build which means I have to wait 15-20 mins between each plank so it will take a while.

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I am running out of clamping room on the outer frames so I will be switching over to a combination of clamps and rubber bands for the duration of the planking. That is the reason for the pins on both sides of the base. I will also need to start beveling the planks that go around the "bilge turn". I really should have beveled the last one in the picture, if you look close you can see a small gap due to the turn starting on the center frame.

 

That's it for now. Stay safe everyone.

 

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Noob question... why PVA glue? 

We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore is a habit, not an act.

~ Aristotle 

 

I could carry, paddle, walk and sing with any man I ever saw. I have been twenty-four years a canoe man, and forty-one years in service; no portage was ever too long for me, fifty songs could I sing. I have saved the lives of ten voyageurs, have had twelve wives and six running dogs. I spent all of my money in pleasure. Were I young again, I would spend my life the same way over. There is no life so happy as a voyageur's life!

~ The Voyageur, Grace Lee Nute

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I like it because it gives me a few minutes time to make any adjustments. Some people prefer CA and I use it in certain applications but you need to be sure you have the parts in exactly the right alignment because you only get one shot at it. For planking and finicky stuff I prefer to have a little more time to get the parts where I want them.

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2 minutes ago, Osmosis said:

I like it because it gives me a few minutes time to make any adjustments. Some people prefer CA and I use it in certain applications but you need to be sure you have the parts in exactly the right alignment because you only get one shot at it. For planking and finicky stuff I prefer to have a little more time to get the parts where I want them.

I think you made the right decision, I think if I were to do another one I would use PVA as well.   I liked the fact that the CA was pretty much dry instantly so I could continue doing another plank, but I wish I spend more time trying to bevel those tiny little pieces due to the fact that it curves towards the bottom quite a bit.  It appears you have more patience then me...which is something I am trying to develop.  Looking Good!

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11 hours ago, Osmosis said:

Slow and steady. I am using PVA exclusively on this build which means I have to wait 15-20 mins between each plank so it will take a while.

Art, I don't know if you have ever tried Titebond Thick & Quick glue? I have been using it almost exclusively and am happy with it. It gives me acouple to move a piece around before it becomes too tacky to move easily and sets up within 10 minutes or so. I rarely have to use clamps. I just use finger pressure for a minute or less and then let it set up a bit more before moving on. It cleans up with water just like regular Titebond and it is easy to scrape off small amounts of squeeze out with a pointed tool like a dental pick once it starts to get gel-like. It is marketed for gluing on vertical surfaces like crown molding etc where you want to eliminate sagging runs and drips so it's really just seems to be a thicker formula of regular Titebond.

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Bob Garcia

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Current Builds: 

Hms Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 - Vanguard Models

Pen Duick - Artesania Latina 1:28

 

Completed: Medway Longboat 1742 - Syren Ship Model Co. 

Member of the Nautical Research Guild

 

 

 

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6 hours ago, Osmosis said:

I like it because it gives me a few minutes time to make any adjustments. Some people prefer CA and I use it in certain applications but you need to be sure you have the parts in exactly the right alignment because you only get one shot at it. For planking and finicky stuff I prefer to have a little more time to get the parts where I want them.

Ahhhh, I see. Makes good sense. Thanks!

We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore is a habit, not an act.

~ Aristotle 

 

I could carry, paddle, walk and sing with any man I ever saw. I have been twenty-four years a canoe man, and forty-one years in service; no portage was ever too long for me, fifty songs could I sing. I have saved the lives of ten voyageurs, have had twelve wives and six running dogs. I spent all of my money in pleasure. Were I young again, I would spend my life the same way over. There is no life so happy as a voyageur's life!

~ The Voyageur, Grace Lee Nute

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The planking is getting much harder at this point. But I think I have worked out a sufficiently over complicated system for getting through it. The problem is that there is quite a bit of twist needed in order to get the planks to lay right while transitioning around the "bilge turn" to the flat bottom and that twist is all in the final 2" of either end of the plank. Add to that the size of the plank 2mm compared to the size of my sausage sized fingers and well forget trying to twist and shape it in place.

 

So here we go my Rube Goldberg ( you younger guys will have to ask your Grand Parents who Rube Goldberg was) planking method.

 

Here are the three main tools I have been using. Left to right, An old cuticle tool mostly for scraping excess glue, an emery board with masking tape on one side and a small piece of 3/4"x1/2" aluminum angle with a piece of 120 grit sand paper glued to the 1/2" side. You can also see all the various clamps and rubber bands and other clutter laying around.

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Step 1. Dry fit the next plank and cut to length leaving approx 1/8" over on each end.

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You can see here the amount of twist needed.

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Step 2. Mark an arrow at the first frame on each end pointing toward the previous plank.

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Step 3. Wet the area between the arrows and the ends of the plank simply by holding under running hot water for a few seconds.

Step 4. Very gently clamp to a flat surface. The wet basswood compresses very easily. I used the corner of my workbench. Leaving the ends hanging over the edge.

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Step 5. Using 2 more clamps very gently grab the extreme ends of the plank and twist in the direction of the arrows.

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Step 6. Brace the clamps in that position and let dry for 15 or 20 minutes.

Step 7. Place the plank back in position.

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Step 8. Using the emery board with the taped side toward the keel so as not to damage it carefully taper the ends of the plank until they seat flush against the keel.

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Step 9. Remove the plank and place on a flat surface with the arrows pointing up and facing away from you. Using the aluminum sanding block as shown, one edge resting on the work surface and the other riding on the top of the plank. Bevel the top edge.

 

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Step 10. Use a small paint brush or you own favorite glue applicator apply a small bead of PVA glue ( I am using titebond II) to the top edge of the previous plank.

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Step 11. Place the plank in position.

Step 12. Clamp the heck out of it and go have a samich or something.

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I know this seems like a lot of extra work and it is but it sure makes the planks lay right into position with very little gap. I am at least satisfied that the result is worth the effort.

 

My next plank should be dry by now so I better get back to it.

 

Regards

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Nicely done, Art, and wonderfully illustrated. Your canoe should be a model of perfection by the time you're done.

Bob Garcia

"Measure once, cuss twice!"

 

Current Builds: 

Hms Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 - Vanguard Models

Pen Duick - Artesania Latina 1:28

 

Completed: Medway Longboat 1742 - Syren Ship Model Co. 

Member of the Nautical Research Guild

 

 

 

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Awesome!  I had issues regardless of the bevel I put on, now I realize it was because I wasn’t taking into account the twist you speak of.  I can’t wait to see it to the end.

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Thanks for the kind words of encouragement and the likes. I just realized that it has only been a week since I started this build. It seems like I have been planking this thing for a month and I am only half way done.

 

12 courses of planking and I am around the turn.

 

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These next couple of planks need to transition to the flat bottom and I have a feeling that feathering them in at the stem and stern is not going to be easy.

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I think this is where I will leave it for tonight and just sleep on it.

 

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I don't know where I got the idea that it would get easier on the bottom. But man was I wrong.

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I thought I would have this off the build board today. Maybe next weekend.

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1 hour ago, Osmosis said:

I don't know where I got the idea that it would get easier on the bottom. But man was I wrong.

I thought the same thing at this point with my Indian Girl canoe. Those 1/16" planking strips seem to go on forever!

Bob Garcia

"Measure once, cuss twice!"

 

Current Builds: 

Hms Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 - Vanguard Models

Pen Duick - Artesania Latina 1:28

 

Completed: Medway Longboat 1742 - Syren Ship Model Co. 

Member of the Nautical Research Guild

 

 

 

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4 hours ago, Osmosis said:

I don't know where I got the idea that it would get easier on the bottom. But man was I wrong.

I thought I would have this off the build board today. Maybe next weekend.

If you look in my log I think I said the same thing about being done by the end of the week...nope it was another two weeks atleast lol.  Yours is looking beautiful!  

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It is getting easier now. I laid as many planks in the last 2 hours as I did all weekend.

 

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I am not going to count my proverbial chickens quite yet but it should not be long now till I can start making some serious saw dust.

 

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Thanks to all for the likes.

 

Yahoo! The last sliver of planking is in. And I mean the last couple were slivers. When I got home tonight I only had 5 more strips to go and these were all flat on the bottom so I figured they would go fairly quickly.

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I got started as soon as I checked the corned beefs (2) that the Admiral was cooking in the galley.

 

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The last two were a little more tricky.

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As you can see the next to last one was just the right width so that I could put the plank in sideways. Not too bad.

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A small gap you can see to the left I will need to fill. I will just glue a small sliver of wood in there and sand it flush before the glue is completely set.

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The last one went in after some real fancy fitting but wound up coming out pretty nice I think.

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Because I took the time to beef up the building platform by adding the extra gussets and the wider base board. I think I should be able to do the bulk of the heavy sanding while it is still attached.

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I will leave it for tonight then tomorrow move outside on the porch to make some real sawdust.

 

Happy St Patty's Day to All

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