Emmet Posted May 8, 2020 Author Share #31 Posted May 8, 2020 Enjoy your coffee. And thanks Keith. clearway 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Collingwood Posted May 8, 2020 Share #32 Posted May 8, 2020 Just seen this welcome aboard, did I read it correct - you are doing her as she appeared after the Battle of Trafalgar ie with battle damage? OC. Quote Current builds 28mm Battle of Waterloo attack on La Haye Saint Diorama. 1/700 HMS Hood Flyhawk with PE, Resin and Wood Decking. Completed works. Dragon 1/700 HMS Edinburgh type 42 batch 3 Destroyer plastic. HMS Warspite Academy 1/350 plastic kit and wem parts. HMS Trafalgar Airfix 1/350 submarine plastic. Black Pearl 1/72 Revell with pirate crew. Revell 1/48 Mosquito B IV Eduard 1/48 Spitfire IX ICM 1/48 Seafire Mk.III Special Conversion 1/48 Kinetic Sea Harrier FRS1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob S Posted May 9, 2020 Share #33 Posted May 9, 2020 Very nicely detailed work Emmet; she is coming along nicely! Quote Rob active projects: HMS Victory, Mamoli 1/90 scale Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted May 9, 2020 Share #34 Posted May 9, 2020 18 hours ago, Emmet said: Thanks Keith Trying to negotiate and website seems more difficult in building a ship. Right now I am dry fitting everything to be sure that all pieces are aligned With respect to the big slut I wanted to do something where I could put the piece in and out. The idea you gave me about the poop deck is the kind of help I need. I think you got it. If you need help with using MSW, ask here: https://modelshipworld.com/forum/47-questionsinstructions-on-how-to-use-and-post-to-this-forumsite-problems-or-suggestions/ Old Collingwood 1 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emmet Posted May 9, 2020 Author Share #35 Posted May 9, 2020 Now why could I not find that info. Thanks I am now having my coffee. Hope you enjoyed yours. Check out our morning view this morn. It is a record for us-not sure about the past 1000 years. Old Collingwood, clearway and GrandpaPhil 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emmet Posted May 9, 2020 Author Share #36 Posted May 9, 2020 8 hours ago, Rob S said: Very nicely detailed work Emmet; she is coming along nicely Appreciate your input. I really enjoy the challenge. I am forced to think hard about how to go about something that may have ramifications for the future of the project. It is great to be encouraged by you. Rob S 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emmet Posted May 9, 2020 Author Share #37 Posted May 9, 2020 14 hours ago, Old Collingwood said: Just seen this welcome aboard, did I read it correct - you are doing her as she appeared after the Battle of Trafalgar ie with battle damage? OC. You got me now-that is what Cornwall, the vendor, said. Edwardkenway and Old Collingwood 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emmet Posted May 9, 2020 Author Share #38 Posted May 9, 2020 Reinforcing the bow/keel connection. Edwardkenway, GrandpaPhil, clearway and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clearway Posted May 9, 2020 Share #39 Posted May 9, 2020 ouch- we had snow this time last year - supposed to be an arctic wind coming in tonight so going from 20 centigrade today to 10 centigrade tomorrow! - i use scraps of ply from frames to bolster bulkheads to strengthen them if ply is thinnish. Keith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emmet Posted May 9, 2020 Author Share #40 Posted May 9, 2020 OK I do nave some left over. I could have used it. I was concerned about staying out of the way of frames that are close there. Our snow is gone now. It was 34-a hair over 1F. Actually the temp was higher on the ground. The snow was coming out of very cold air. I got the wood stove cranking this morning-very unusual this time of year here. The daytime temps, however, have been warm at about 12-15 C. I am into a complicated situation at this point in my build. I will be posting soon. Stay warm. clearway and Old Collingwood 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emmet Posted May 9, 2020 Author Share #41 Posted May 9, 2020 Working at alignment of the frames. longways beam.psd gieb8688, Edwardkenway and Old Collingwood 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clearway Posted May 9, 2020 Share #42 Posted May 9, 2020 Hi Emmet the decks will sweep in a gentle upwards curve towards the stern just keep checking and double checking against plans- now you know why we don't recommend victory as a first build🤨- at least you waited til build no.2. Keith Old Collingwood and mtaylor 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emmet Posted May 9, 2020 Author Share #43 Posted May 9, 2020 Thanks Keith The plans are no help. McKays Victory shows the stern gradually sloping up towards the stern. My problem frame, however, is towards the bow. Still the slots for the longways beam will have to be corrected. I will keep exploring. It is clear that one has to file many pieces so that they fit. the lower deck took quite a bit of filing. Old Collingwood and mtaylor 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emmet Posted May 9, 2020 Author Share #44 Posted May 9, 2020 Sorry I have my fronts and backs switched. Just a landlubber you know. mtaylor and Old Collingwood 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clearway Posted May 9, 2020 Share #45 Posted May 9, 2020 in this day and age of laser cutting this shouldn't happen- the occre hms terror i just started had frames and keel that went together tight and true with just one little 1mm slice needed taken out of the slots for the bulkheads in the deck. Keith mtaylor and Old Collingwood 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emmet Posted May 9, 2020 Author Share #46 Posted May 9, 2020 The sun is shining and we have blizzard looking storm but it is all for naught as it hits the warm ground. I was prepared for all sorts of whatevers when I got into this stuff. I will do whatever it takes. I see complaints about the laser cutting on other logs. Putting the deck on shows me the slots for the longways beam are not correct. I am not doing anything until I add more decks and check every aspect possible. The kit seems good compared to the La Nina from Amati but it came out ok. The Santa Maria looks like a better kit. The Victory came so fast I only got around to translating the Italian instructions. When I go south in November I will be working on it. Edwardkenway, mtaylor, clearway and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob S Posted May 10, 2020 Share #47 Posted May 10, 2020 Emmet - Good that you added the keel reinforcement pieces. Be careful that they don't reach too far down toward the bottom of the keel as it could interfere with your lower plank(s) when you start adding them. Something I ran into with my Mamoli Victory. Good news was Mamoli included the reinforcement pieces, bad news was I installed it a bit too low and had to later chisel a portion of it off. clearway, mtaylor and Old Collingwood 3 Quote Rob active projects: HMS Victory, Mamoli 1/90 scale Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emmet Posted May 10, 2020 Author Share #48 Posted May 10, 2020 Thanks One never knows what might happen when doing something not included. It is good to get warnings about the future. Old Collingwood and mtaylor 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emmet Posted May 10, 2020 Author Share #49 Posted May 10, 2020 Checking of frames and decks and longways beams. Any ideas are welcome. GrandpaPhil, clearway, gieb8688 and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emmet Posted May 11, 2020 Author Share #50 Posted May 11, 2020 I am hammering away at these laser cut parts. Had to do a lot of filing to make myself happy with alignment and structure. I think after dry fitting the decks and checking a few places with planks I am going to mark or tack location of frames. clearway, GrandpaPhil, mtaylor and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clearway Posted May 12, 2020 Share #51 Posted May 12, 2020 at least you have taken the wise road of checking before applying glue Emmet- a lot of people jump right in assuming manufacturers have made all the cuts accurate and have to do a lot of un- building to retro cure problems they have found. Keep up the good work Keith Old Collingwood 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emmet Posted May 12, 2020 Author Share #52 Posted May 12, 2020 Thanks While I have not done little ships much before I have built an awful lot of things out of wood. No one taught me to how to build houses but I built 4 of them and did all the Electrical and plumbing work as well. I am sitting in front of a wood stove right now. It feeds into a 22 foot high chimney that I’ve built by myself.No one taught me how to build a guitar but I built two of them. At the same time it does seem that we should expect more from the suppliers of these parts. It is small wonder that people decide to build from scratch. I cannot believe how far off the longways beams were from the slots in the frames. I still do not have an enormous amount of confidence. This stuff is very difficult. At the same time I am happy with the given task at hand. Finishing means very little to me. Your advice about making sure the decks fit was wise and makes more than sense. Right now I am thinking about how many frames I can glue and put the decks on before it dries. It goes without saying that I enjoy the conversation as well. I hope that I am not distracting you. clearway and Old Collingwood 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clearway Posted May 12, 2020 Share #53 Posted May 12, 2020 not at all Emmet i am from Cumbria and we enjoy a good bit of banter, or as we say in Cumbrian dialect "as fra cumbria an we enjoy't crack". Nice to see people who are not afraid to push themselves ( i hadn't built an open fire and fireplace before until i wanted one and learnt basic bricklaying by trial and error, and have built two for this house and two for other people). this forum is all about meeting like minded people and sharing ideas/ experience. Keith Old Collingwood 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emmet Posted May 12, 2020 Author Share #54 Posted May 12, 2020 I am not at all surprised that a shipbuilder would take on most anything. Truth be told my retirement is from the sale of homes I built myself. When we built our 4th house I told my boys who were in college "This is your boot camp, You are now paying for your college education." They were not amused but did a great job anyway. I just added a pic and would love to hear your opinion on it. All are welcome to give me their ideas. Old Collingwood, GrandpaPhil and gieb8688 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clearway Posted May 13, 2020 Share #55 Posted May 13, 2020 (edited) Hi Emmet- that sheer line to the bow is way too steep (unless you are into extreme roller skating!- did they include a quick take off deck into her??? 😁There should be a side elevation of the frames on the plan - looks to me like the two end frames need fettled deeper onto the keel piece- or maybe the middle frames need to come up a notch? on mine the deck at the bow is only 2mm or so higher than midships- i have included a pic from some mantua 1/98 victory i have from that rebuild i did showing bow profile. also loved the bit with the kids "finish the house to go to college escapade"- talk about teaching responsibility and dedication!😁 Keith Edited May 13, 2020 by clearway add photos Old Collingwood and gieb8688 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emmet Posted May 13, 2020 Author Share #56 Posted May 13, 2020 Hmm 2 mm that is worth some thought. I feel that it is too steep as well. As I said the plank will not even touch the frame near the bottom of the hull. I am going to do some lowering of the one frame and the 2 mm will be a help in making more corrections. The upper deck is also not liking the steep incline. Onward with dry fitting. I am also having fits with some pieces involving the poop deck. I just have to understand before I will start gluing. College-I should add on the grands that we have 2 girls and 2 boys. The girls are a blast. During this deadly time the two of them have at home jobs. One, who was supposed to be graduating soon, is working at home 5 days a week. She did serve as an intern. The other is a 5 year student in a work/school program. She is working two days a week at home. Both of my sons are working full time at home. And their families are both having a grand time together. The only problem is we cannot see them. Amidst all of this I am not forgetting the horror that many are experiencing. I do feel a tear at times. I am sure we will do our best to hep others when given the opportunity. And me, I have my ship and my Admiral. Old Collingwood 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emmet Posted May 13, 2020 Author Share #57 Posted May 13, 2020 (edited) Whew the bow frames must be fixed. cannot get rid of above so ignore above and see the pic below. The roundhouse faceover has to determine the final slope of the deck. Edited May 13, 2020 by Emmet remove pic and replace with new. GrandpaPhil, gieb8688 and Old Collingwood 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkwz Posted May 13, 2020 Share #58 Posted May 13, 2020 Just stumbled on your Victory log, Emmet. If you don't mind, I'd like to hop on board to learn from your progress. Looking forward to more updates! Old Collingwood 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emmet Posted May 13, 2020 Author Share #59 Posted May 13, 2020 Welcome aboard! Love Aussies, Canucks and Brits. There is some spare room for others. Old Collingwood 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emmet Posted May 13, 2020 Author Share #60 Posted May 13, 2020 Keith I should have mentioned that the middle deck is level and rises ever so slightly at #10, its termination. That should mean the midship area is OK but anything is possible with these frames. While, on the one hand, one could complain, I just see it as a way to understand the Victory better. I am doing some calculations to comprehend the situation better. Clearly the upper deck would need flight deck hands. Old Collingwood 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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