KeithAug Posted September 18, 2020 Share #91 Posted September 18, 2020 Hellmuht. Just caught up with your build. Very fine craftsmanship but more importantly you are teaching me so much about the construction of these ancient vessels. Thank you. Schrader 1 Quote Keith Current Build:- Cangarda (Steam Yacht) - Scale 1:24 Previous Builds:- Schooner Germania (Nova) - Scale 1:36 https://modelshipworld.com/topic/19848-schooner-germania-nova-by-keithaug-scale-136-1908-2011/ Schooner Altair by KeithAug - Scale 1:32 - 1931 http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/12515-schooner-altair-by-keithaug-scale-132-1931/?p=378702 J Class Endeavour by KeithAug - Amati - Scale 1:35 - 1989 after restoration. http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/10752-j-class-endeavour-by-keithaug-amati-scale-135-1989-after-restoration/?p=325029 Other Topics Nautical Adventures http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/13727-nautical-adventures/?p=422846 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schrader Posted September 19, 2020 Author Share #92 Posted September 19, 2020 thanks to you for following this log Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schrader Posted September 19, 2020 Author Share #93 Posted September 19, 2020 5 hours ago, wefalck said: Oh, I forgot, yes they got the wood from there. The Lebanon cedar still is a pretty knotty wood ... and there is a chicken-and-egg-problem: you first to have ships to import the wood ... You are righ🤔t mtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schrader Posted September 21, 2020 Author Share #94 Posted September 21, 2020 Here we go again.....this weekend I’ve been working in the helsman’s platform..... As almost everything in this ship this particularly puzzle has been tide.... wefalck, Brinkman, tarbrush and 5 others 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schrader Posted September 21, 2020 Author Share #95 Posted September 21, 2020 Last pictures to see the overall views.... Next step the oars!!!!..... Siegfried, BANYAN, BLACK VIKING and 10 others 11 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BANYAN Posted September 21, 2020 Share #96 Posted September 21, 2020 Stunning results mate; worthy of display in a museum. cheers Pat mtaylor and Schrader 2 Quote If at first you do not suceed, try, and then try again!Current build: HMCSS Victoria (Scratch) Next build: HMAS Vampire (3D printed resin, scratch 1:350) Built: Battle Station (Scratch) and HM Bark Endeavour 1768 (kit 1:64) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schrader Posted September 21, 2020 Author Share #97 Posted September 21, 2020 No!!!!! it is not that much. But I appreciate your kind words mtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boxbuilds Posted September 22, 2020 Share #98 Posted September 22, 2020 I knew early Egyptian shipbuilding involved tying but never knew it went to this extent. Thanks for this excellent lesson/example. Schrader and mtaylor 1 1 Quote Current build: Great Harry, restoration On hold: Soliel Royale, Mantua Completed: Bluenose ll, Artesania Latina San Francisco ll, Artesania Latina Chris Craft barrel back triple cockpit, Dumas Chris Craft 1940 double cockpit, Dumas Santa Maria, Artesania Latina 1901 Scow Schooner, scratch built Hannah, Continental Navy, scratch built Candelaria bomb ship, OcCre Pride of Baltimore, Model Shipways 17 foot Chesapeake kayak (2, one scratch), Midwest USN Picket Boat #1, Model Shipways Kobuksan, Turtle Korean ironclad, YoungModeler HMS Revenge, scratch NY Pilot Boat, kit bashed, Model Shipways USS Monitor, scratch Nuestra Senora de Afortunado, 1926 Popular Science plan, Resoration Martha, CBMM, Puddle Jumper, scratch stern wheeler Lady Sarah, kit bashed Constructo Victorian launch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boxbuilds Posted September 22, 2020 Share #99 Posted September 22, 2020 so I may have missed the explanation.....how did the shipbuilders plug the holes? It must have shipped a lot of water?? And the knots...were there descriptions of how lines were attached or were they gleaned from illustrations? Thank you. mtaylor 1 Quote Current build: Great Harry, restoration On hold: Soliel Royale, Mantua Completed: Bluenose ll, Artesania Latina San Francisco ll, Artesania Latina Chris Craft barrel back triple cockpit, Dumas Chris Craft 1940 double cockpit, Dumas Santa Maria, Artesania Latina 1901 Scow Schooner, scratch built Hannah, Continental Navy, scratch built Candelaria bomb ship, OcCre Pride of Baltimore, Model Shipways 17 foot Chesapeake kayak (2, one scratch), Midwest USN Picket Boat #1, Model Shipways Kobuksan, Turtle Korean ironclad, YoungModeler HMS Revenge, scratch NY Pilot Boat, kit bashed, Model Shipways USS Monitor, scratch Nuestra Senora de Afortunado, 1926 Popular Science plan, Resoration Martha, CBMM, Puddle Jumper, scratch stern wheeler Lady Sarah, kit bashed Constructo Victorian launch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louie da fly Posted September 22, 2020 Share #100 Posted September 22, 2020 On 9/22/2020 at 9:24 AM, Hellmuht Schrader said: it is not that much. I'm not sure I agree - I think this really is worthy of being in a museum! Looking forward to seeing the oars. Schrader and BANYAN 1 1 Quote It's not really a ship model unless you've bled on it. CURRENT BUILDS Venetian merchant Ship from Basilica of San Marco Golden City - Ballarat paddlewheeler FINISHED Australian couta boat RMS Titanic HMVS Cerberus 11th century Byzantine dromon Winchelsea Nef - Late 13th century Mediaeval ship Henry Grace a Dieu - Rebuild of 1:200 model I started in 1967 https://modelshipworld.com/topic/36379-mistydeefer-by-louie-da-fly-finished-restoration-decor-yacht/#comment-1040663 Mistydeefer - restoration of decor model yacht Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schrader Posted September 23, 2020 Author Share #101 Posted September 23, 2020 8 hours ago, Boxbuilds said: so I may have missed the explanation.....how did the shipbuilders plug the holes? It must have shipped a lot of water?? And the knots...were there descriptions of how lines were attached or were they gleaned from illustrations? Thank you. the holes were like “V” shape in the interior going just up to the middle of the thickness. They were not seeing from the exterior. talking about the knots.... I did not find any specific annotations about it However I realized that using those that helped me with “tension” worked well thanks for your comments mtaylor, Louie da fly, GrandpaPhil and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schrader Posted September 23, 2020 Author Share #102 Posted September 23, 2020 Just to clarify a little bit more... BANYAN, tarbrush, mtaylor and 3 others 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boxbuilds Posted September 24, 2020 Share #103 Posted September 24, 2020 Thanks Hellmuht, this is intriguing. I appreciate your explanation. I wonder if the methods left over from ships made with tied rushes became a natural progression to building wooden ships for the Egyptians. Something must have interfered with logic that led other cultures to wooden pegs and nails for fastening....hmmm. I will read up some more on this. mtaylor and Schrader 1 1 Quote Current build: Great Harry, restoration On hold: Soliel Royale, Mantua Completed: Bluenose ll, Artesania Latina San Francisco ll, Artesania Latina Chris Craft barrel back triple cockpit, Dumas Chris Craft 1940 double cockpit, Dumas Santa Maria, Artesania Latina 1901 Scow Schooner, scratch built Hannah, Continental Navy, scratch built Candelaria bomb ship, OcCre Pride of Baltimore, Model Shipways 17 foot Chesapeake kayak (2, one scratch), Midwest USN Picket Boat #1, Model Shipways Kobuksan, Turtle Korean ironclad, YoungModeler HMS Revenge, scratch NY Pilot Boat, kit bashed, Model Shipways USS Monitor, scratch Nuestra Senora de Afortunado, 1926 Popular Science plan, Resoration Martha, CBMM, Puddle Jumper, scratch stern wheeler Lady Sarah, kit bashed Constructo Victorian launch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schrader Posted September 28, 2020 Author Share #104 Posted September 28, 2020 Thanks for following...... This ship belongs to the 5th dynasty...... by then, the wooden ships were just starting, they used tied rushes (according with some documents) because This was about the copper age.... they did not have materials strong enough to work with They tied their ships - again this is speculation- because this method allowed them to assemble and dissemble the ship, allowing them to transport it in pieces. mtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schrader Posted September 28, 2020 Author Share #105 Posted September 28, 2020 Weekend advances..... Oars in its place..... The oars length were something that I had to deal with. Accordingly with Landstrom, today we don’t know if these oars were really for rowing or for helmsman. We don’t know if they were rowing stand or seated. So... I decided to build them assuming they were for rowing and the oars men were stand.... Also, they had a very special way to fix them to the ship.......guess what!!!!! They also were tied 😄 here some pictures..... tarbrush, wefalck, mtaylor and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schrader Posted September 28, 2020 Author Share #106 Posted September 28, 2020 Now the oars for the “really” helmsmen. According with the pictures in documents they were six..... And also There are different versions about it.... some pictures put he oarsmen stand some seated...... I went with the stand version Also they have some differences in the blade form.....Take a look Here some pictures.... Brinkman, rybakov, BANYAN and 6 others 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigpetr Posted September 28, 2020 Share #107 Posted September 28, 2020 It looks great. How did they steer with them? Just by rotating around their axis? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schrader Posted September 28, 2020 Author Share #108 Posted September 28, 2020 There are two theories one is the one you just mentioned. This one is with the oars in the position I just used They are tide in two position. the other one is they steer moving the oars like “rowing” With the angle needed to have the ship in the right direction. They would be tide in just one place (like the oars are) so???? Pick just one mtaylor and liteflight 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louie da fly Posted October 1, 2020 Share #109 Posted October 1, 2020 That's a very good result, Hellmuht. This is a very enjoyable log to follow. (I'm learning a lot) mtaylor and Schrader 1 1 Quote It's not really a ship model unless you've bled on it. CURRENT BUILDS Venetian merchant Ship from Basilica of San Marco Golden City - Ballarat paddlewheeler FINISHED Australian couta boat RMS Titanic HMVS Cerberus 11th century Byzantine dromon Winchelsea Nef - Late 13th century Mediaeval ship Henry Grace a Dieu - Rebuild of 1:200 model I started in 1967 https://modelshipworld.com/topic/36379-mistydeefer-by-louie-da-fly-finished-restoration-decor-yacht/#comment-1040663 Mistydeefer - restoration of decor model yacht Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schrader Posted October 10, 2020 Author Share #110 Posted October 10, 2020 Here w go again..... This time we are going to work in some fittings..... This picture “suppose” to be the mast elevation system. I consisted (according with Landstrom mainly) in two stones that with a levers help..... For these stones and for the anchor... I decided to work with a kind of stone named “powder stone” or “talcum stone” (probably you all have different name for it). Is kind of stone really easy to work with. I made the pieces using basically the dame tools I use for wood, finishing them with a wired brush to give some “carving effect “.... Here some pictures about the anchor process..... KeithAug, GrandpaPhil, mtaylor and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schrader Posted October 10, 2020 Author Share #111 Posted October 10, 2020 Here some pictures with those fittings already in place.... KeithAug, mtaylor, GrandpaPhil and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schrader Posted October 10, 2020 Author Share #112 Posted October 10, 2020 I already ”made” a false stop in my showcase...... Still the yards to make...... and the ship is really finished. I started the diorama design already. This is going to be a new adventure!!!!! Thanks all for your support!!! BANYAN, mtaylor, Landrotten Highlander and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigpetr Posted October 10, 2020 Share #113 Posted October 10, 2020 Excelent. And what a beautiful showcase. It took me some time to figure out how the levers worked, but I get it😀. My brain must be lazy today (hopefuly only today😀) mtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schrader Posted October 10, 2020 Author Share #114 Posted October 10, 2020 Not at all. It was my fault. I should explain that bet🙂ter mtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted October 10, 2020 Share #115 Posted October 10, 2020 Thanks for sharing this build log. It's been something totally different than what we normally see and quite fascinating. Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schrader Posted October 10, 2020 Author Share #116 Posted October 10, 2020 Thanks to you for being there all time. mtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BANYAN Posted October 10, 2020 Share #117 Posted October 10, 2020 Well researched and executed; a lovely model! Nice collection of historical boats there also. cheers Pat mtaylor and Schrader 1 1 Quote If at first you do not suceed, try, and then try again!Current build: HMCSS Victoria (Scratch) Next build: HMAS Vampire (3D printed resin, scratch 1:350) Built: Battle Station (Scratch) and HM Bark Endeavour 1768 (kit 1:64) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louie da fly Posted October 11, 2020 Share #118 Posted October 11, 2020 Very nice work on the counterweights. Unless I miss my guess, that is the stone called soapstone in English, or steatite. Sceatha used it for his ship, too. Schrader and mtaylor 1 1 Quote It's not really a ship model unless you've bled on it. CURRENT BUILDS Venetian merchant Ship from Basilica of San Marco Golden City - Ballarat paddlewheeler FINISHED Australian couta boat RMS Titanic HMVS Cerberus 11th century Byzantine dromon Winchelsea Nef - Late 13th century Mediaeval ship Henry Grace a Dieu - Rebuild of 1:200 model I started in 1967 https://modelshipworld.com/topic/36379-mistydeefer-by-louie-da-fly-finished-restoration-decor-yacht/#comment-1040663 Mistydeefer - restoration of decor model yacht Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schrader Posted October 11, 2020 Author Share #119 Posted October 11, 2020 You are right Louie. After looking the stone composition and definitions it is the same stone Louie da fly and mtaylor 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeithAug Posted October 13, 2020 Share #120 Posted October 13, 2020 impressive and for me very educational. Thank you. Schrader and mtaylor 1 1 Quote Keith Current Build:- Cangarda (Steam Yacht) - Scale 1:24 Previous Builds:- Schooner Germania (Nova) - Scale 1:36 https://modelshipworld.com/topic/19848-schooner-germania-nova-by-keithaug-scale-136-1908-2011/ Schooner Altair by KeithAug - Scale 1:32 - 1931 http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/12515-schooner-altair-by-keithaug-scale-132-1931/?p=378702 J Class Endeavour by KeithAug - Amati - Scale 1:35 - 1989 after restoration. http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/10752-j-class-endeavour-by-keithaug-amati-scale-135-1989-after-restoration/?p=325029 Other Topics Nautical Adventures http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/13727-nautical-adventures/?p=422846 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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