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I have the Byrnes saw, sander and thickneser and want to hook up a dust collection system.  Looking for ideas for a simple system.  The connection points seam to be an odd size (1-1/2”?).

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There are reducers for the hoses.

I saved a lot of time and bother dealing with clogged shopvac filters by using an in-line cyclone trap.  The thickness sander generates impressive volumes of dust.  I use it and the tablesaw in the garage.

The work done on the disk sander is more finesse than volume so I use small portable hand vac  (stairs, corners, furniture, type) - a visible chamber for collection rather than a bag.

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I had to use two different couplers, one inserted into the other, and include one in the tool and one in the shop vac (Fein in my case, which was in metric).

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I only have the table saw and it’s hooked up to a Fein vac. Works great...Moab

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I have a very quiet Fein shop vac that I connect to my Byrnes tools.  The OD of the Fein hose is 1 3/8" + a few thousandths - metric for sure.  The thickness sander with it's port on top I just set the vac hose into it w/o worry about the gap and let gravity hold it in place - works fine.  With the disc sander I use a rubber adapter that goes over the vac hose and slips into the sander's horizontal port pretty tight - the same with the saw that has the exhaust port as it came from Jim.  The other saw I got long before Jim provided an exhaust port - I had a club member who had a machine shop cut a hole in the side piece where Jim attaches the exhaust port that the vac hose fits into.   I had a cyclone hooked between the vac and the hose but it was big and it lives in the wood shop now.  Will get a smaller cyclone soon for the model shop.

100% of the dust is grabbed from the disc and thickness sanders.  Nothing catches the saw dust that comes off the top end of the saw blade (of any table saw as far as I know) - but it's minor compared to what comes off the bottom end and is caught up by the vac.  Just like full size saws there is a lot of sawdust that has to be vacuumed out of the saw between uses from the corners.

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29 minutes ago, kurtvd19 said:

very quiet Fein shop vac

Are all from fein shop vacs quiet or is there a specific model? I’d love to set up a “quiet” dust collection system

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Fein has changed the design of their shop-vacs since I got mine.  It's a "Turbo II; a large one.  I'm sure the new version is at least as quiet.  No muffs required - you can have a conversation with someone while its running.  HEPA filter, a primary filter and a filter bag; the exhaust air is cleaner than the room's air.

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I can listen to the TV or stereo in the shop with the vac operating - not silent but quiet enough.

Some are more quiet than others - check the specs on their web site.

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I have a 'Henry' vac set up as a dust collector. The noise factor was originally bothersome but that changed when I finally got around to making a proper spot for it under a bench. It was absurdely simple: I sat it on a piece of styrene foam and it became quiet! Presumably the hard plastic wheels resting on the wooden shelf had been the source of the racket. Now it stays running for long periods and I can listen to the radio.

BTW, I made an impromptu hose adapter by cutting the bottom off of an empty plastic pill bottle. The bottle's lid-end fits the sander and the Proxxon saw, the other fat end fits the Henry hose.

 

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If you're just needing something and don't mind moving it around, go to the local home improvement shop and get a shop vac.  Noisy but they work.  

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I use my shop vac hooked up to an adapter that you can purchase at Lowes and Home Depot.  I trimmed the short edge flush with the flange.

 

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Ryland - that looks like one of the hose adapters on the Aero Bed pump - I never thought about those - must have thrown out 4 or 5 of those from pumps in the past (I used an Aero Bed mattress when I was renting a mobile home down east for 18 years - the mattresses don't last very long under continual usage). Good idea!

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On 6/22/2020 at 9:52 AM, Hank said:

That looks like one of the hose adapters on the Aero Bed pump - I never thought about those - must have thrown out 4 or 5 of those from pumps in the past (I used an Aero Bed mattress when I was renting a mobile home down east for 18 years - the mattresses don't last very long under continual usage). Good idea!

I found the adapter in the shop vac accessories department at Lowes.  Home Depot also carries it.

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I'm in the market for a new shop vac to replace the old Sears Craftsman vac I've had for years. I hope to get some Byrnes machines in the near future and I don't have any large woodworking machines. 

 

It seems like many of you are happy with the Fein vac. Is there a Fein model you would recommend? I see that they make several models but I'm not sure which model would be most appropriate for my current purposes.

 

Is the hose on the Fein vac very flexible? I have always disliked the stiff hose on my Craftsman because it makes it hard to maneuver and manage.

 

Are there any accessories to the Fein that would would recommend also?

 

Thanks very much.

 

 

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12 minutes ago, BobG said:

I'm in the market for a new shop vac to replace the old Sears Craftsman vac I've had for years. I hope to get some Byrnes machines in the near future and I don't have any large woodworking machines. 

 

It seems like many of you are happy with the Fein vac. Is there a Fein model you would recommend? I see that they make several models but I'm not sure which model would be most appropriate for my current purposes.

 

Is the hose on the Fein vac very flexible? I have always disliked the stiff hose on my Craftsman because it makes it hard to maneuver and manage.

 

Are there any accessories to the Fein that would would recommend also?

 

Thanks very much.

 

 

I have used a Festool vac at a Woodcraft location, I truly want one! They are quiet and very efficient! And the hose is so very flexible. Here is a link to them.

https://www.woodcraft.com/products/dust-extractor-ct-15-e-hepa-festool?via=573621bd69702d0676000002%2C576455d369702d2f2f0013a2%2C5764562a69702d2f2f0013a6

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The Fein hose is very flexible. 

I want to add a small cyclone pre-filter to mine.  It resides under a bench with drawers so I need a smaller unit - like would fit on a 5 gal pail.

Everything else I have needed comes with the unit.

 

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I have a Fein Turbo III (purchased 2008) combined with an Onieda Dust Deputy cyclone.  As you can see I built a movable cart with the vacuum on the bottom and the Deputy topside.  After a while I saw that I could gain more space for storing more "stuff" if I raised the Deputy up another level.  I made it more useful to me by being able to store the big table saw sliding table as well as some extra clamp storage. 

 

In my mind the cyclone is a must.  Over the past 12 years I have used two filter bags in the Fein, everything goes in the cyclone.  All my tablesaw, router, jointer, drum sander exhaust go thru the Deputy.  Anyways I think the cart with the vaccum and cyclone on top is an efficient combo.

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