Jump to content

A small cog by Brinkman- scale 1:20 - c. 1410 - FINISHED


Recommended Posts

Probably. Apart from anything else they were used for fishing, and the Mary Rose (about 150 years later, admittedly) had boarding nettings.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Here's a couple of reference images for barrel tie downs:

 

orig_koga5_1414427320.jpg.8329278ba72e73d088cfad3b61b7f270.jpg

 

orig_koga6_1414427322.jpg.047b5403efb904e375e783c4b683c4dd.jpg

 

424451326_barrelatie.png.50a78f04007eb4d3d7af844d91fd5513.png

 

You've done a wonderful build, been enjoying the blog.

 

Current build project: 

CSS Alabama 1/96

https://modelshipworld.com/topic/20148-css-alabama-by-jonathan11-revell-196-scale-kit-bash-90-historical-accuracy/

Finished build projects 2018:

H.L Hunley 1/24

CSS Arkansas 1/96

Link to comment
Share on other sites

@Ab Hoving ah yes, you are right - bowlines. I think my plans had them in mind in the beginning, but that I then removed them for some reason. Maybe I will have them to give the bowsprit something to do.

 

@Jonathan11 Thank you for your kind words and pics. That's some good tiedowns, better than what I first had in mind. I'll see if that or the netting turns out best.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

The chose came down to cargo netting the barrels as they lie too haphazardly for nice tie downs. 

 

I drew a grid to use as a guide and started knotting.

PB290002.thumb.JPG.1b4018f3de2bca69fe61a9f9166e1041.JPG

 

It's funny how I knew the knot in my hands after making 200 of them, but then I had to think about how to do it as the standing part at one point got really short and then I had no idea of how to do it any more and had to rewatch the instructions again.

 

PB290008.thumb.JPG.0cd85fb2eca995119cc56032185097dd.JPG

 

The barrels is as I said the primary cargo and I guess the boat perhaps left the fishing village loaded with salted fish once a week, but I guess they also tried to get more things to the market as well and loaded miscellaneous wares on the foredeck.

 

I got a lot of millet straws left over from making the barrel hoops and tried to use them for other uses that you use willow for. Like baskets.

 

PB260001.thumb.JPG.bb234db6eec848ac3e8675493b51b4dc.JPG

At first I wanted to show their contents as well, but I guess you would cover them up with cloth to protect them in transport.

 

I have started to look into making the sail and was suprised of the tips of using paper. One thought I have had through out the build is to use locally sourced non specialized materials and this silkspan paper sounded very specialized. But reading a bit more I see that it's basically what I have used on airplanes and that's basically just washi paper from the craft store.

 

And it really acts like cloth in this scale! So I made some cargo for the fore deck. You see this kind of bales all over the medieval imagery in all shapes and sizes The are made of sleeping pad foam covered in washi paper.

 

PB290009.thumb.JPG.1ca952c0b40bda037297c23d732a4686.JPG

PB290003.thumb.JPG.d01ead6b1a8b9ac92a555c6358c4e1f2.JPG

Edited by silverman834
Link to comment
Share on other sites

What super build, the cargo and the rope work just makes it outstanding-- well done :)

 

HMAV Bounty 'Billings' completed  

HMS Cheerful - Syren-Chuck' completed :)

Steam Pinnace 199 'Billings bashed' - completed

HMS Ledbury F30 --White Ensign -completed 😎

HMS Vanguard 'Victory models'-- completed :)

Bismarck Amati 1/200 --underway  👍


 

 

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Fantastic job with the barrels tie down. Looks very historical! An Excellent build to be proud of!

 

:champagne:     :cheers:

Current build project: 

CSS Alabama 1/96

https://modelshipworld.com/topic/20148-css-alabama-by-jonathan11-revell-196-scale-kit-bash-90-historical-accuracy/

Finished build projects 2018:

H.L Hunley 1/24

CSS Arkansas 1/96

Link to comment
Share on other sites

:cheers:

Chuck Seiler
San Diego Ship Modelers Guild
Nautical Research Guild

 
Current Build:: Colonial Schooner SULTANA (scratch from Model Expo Plans), Hanseatic Cog Wutender Hund, John Smith Shallop
Completed:  Missouri Riverboat FAR WEST (1876) Scratch, 1776 Gunboat PHILADELPHIA (Scratch 1/4 scale-Model Shipways plans)

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Thank you all for the encouragement!

 

I've been working on four sub projects this last week - cleats, ballast, figures and sail. I can't really say much about the sail yet as I've mostly just done test pieces for now.

 

First project was better belaying points. I really didn't like how the braces were fastened as they are adjusted all the time when sailing. And there must be some more medieval way of doing this, but I installed more modern looking cleats where the helmsman can adjust them almost while still hold the tiller.

 

PC050003.thumb.JPG.b3b49a72a0528b0164f2cae9a1927312.JPGPC050005.thumb.JPG.49c4c23dc63153e00d3e401496ed24af.JPG

 

Earlier I had planned to have bricks as the main cargo as there was a similar wreck that still had it in the hold (calculations show that it had too many bricks in it, and therefore it sank). So I ordered a mould for bricks of the correct size. 

 

But I didn't need it any more as I made barrels for cargo. But the thesis I based this on mentioned the use of bricks as ballast! The advantage of bricks instead of stones as ballast is that you can sell it with a profit if you don't need it anymore. The ship is a bit tailheavy and migth need some ballast under the fore deck.

 

Bricks became a popular building material at this time in the low countries and was a big industry.

 

PC050006.thumb.JPG.c4ea972b65d8769a922d9a5585f811fa.JPGPC060007.thumb.JPG.72b20350c5946dd12be98cc4fbb80121.JPGPC060014.thumb.JPG.63ed5f46acf097c3c6e4c815bb5ac827.JPG

 

For figures I tried to find posable figures in the correct size but decided to try to 3D print them instead. I work with CAD all day and want to do it as little as possible in my free time so I'll print them naked and as @Louie da fly suggested make the clothing out of rice paper.

 

I first needed to build a 3d model of the ship to get the poses correct. But I only needed the decks and what the figures interact with. So I made simple patterns out of paper.

 

PC010001.thumb.JPG.244b89e822074f542d14252ee4964a19.JPG

PC010002.thumb.JPG.bb3c5aac053f512261a7be8a2b8bb87f.JPG

that I scanned and built in the cad program I normally work in, Icem Surf.

 

akter.thumb.PNG.cc471adfb8d316107023caaace7c9798.PNG

(Yes, it looks as if it hasn't been updated since the nineties, but it's the leading program in my profession)

 

Then I imported this into the program called Poser

poserbild.thumb.png.8ce92ea3fc460237ba7c53fcecd6a66e.png

(The tiller got a bit bigger than in the physical model as I just made a rough sketch in cad)

 

And did the same for a person in the front of the ship.

 

poserbild2.thumb.png.f53998c82e3daf7e67562a6eb40fb362.png

 

The vertical cylinder in his right hand represents a sounding line.

 

Now I'm waiting to get them back from a couple of friends with a SLA printer.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

This is very exciting. 3D printing fascinates me, but I really have no idea how to do it myself. I look forward to seeing your figures, to see if the size of 3D printed figures is correct for what they are doing, or whether you'll need to do some adjusting.

 

I note the sounding line in the last screenshot - so this is a piece of rope with a weight on the end? 

 

Lastly, just curious - the archaeological report gives the brick size as 28.5 cm x 13.4 cm x 6.4 cm. Are the bricks you've made approximately this size in full scale?

Edited by Louie da fly
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Yes, it will be exciting to see how 3d printing will transform modelmaking! I'm sure it will be much easier for smaller companys to sell custom resin kits. But I find it hard to find the line of how much to do in cad. Once I built an airplane and did details like engine, cowl, machineguns and wheels in cad and the rest with traditional methods. But it left me wondering why I didn't do it all in cad as I anyway did some bits that way. I think I will not feel the same way with this model.

 

It will be exciting to see how the figures will fit! I can always bend the limbs afterwards as it will be covered be clothing. But I'm a bit conserned about their proportions. They have correct proportions, but miniatures often are beefier and exaggerate heads and hands so perhaps these will look wrong?

 

Yes, the person will hold a line with a weight. I think it will look good to have something extend beneath the ship when it sits on it's stand.

 

I was really lucky to find a mold for the bricks that made them 28x13x7 cm! Just about the right size.

Edited by silverman834
Link to comment
Share on other sites

    When did bricks come into common use.  I guess I never gave it much thought.  I like the mold.  I could have used that for my PHILADELPHIA cook stove.

 

    3D printing is fascinating.  Printer prices are coming down but the other technology involved confounds me; scanners? CAD?  A serious investment in resources and learning. 

Chuck Seiler
San Diego Ship Modelers Guild
Nautical Research Guild

 
Current Build:: Colonial Schooner SULTANA (scratch from Model Expo Plans), Hanseatic Cog Wutender Hund, John Smith Shallop
Completed:  Missouri Riverboat FAR WEST (1876) Scratch, 1776 Gunboat PHILADELPHIA (Scratch 1/4 scale-Model Shipways plans)

Link to comment
Share on other sites

On 11/30/2020 at 6:41 AM, silverman834 said:

I got a lot of millet straws left over from making the barrel hoops and tried to use them for other uses that you use willow for. Like baskets

You made those baskets?!  They look amazing!  That had to be a really neat process.

Current Build:

HMS Winchelsea 1:48 (Group Project)

 

Completed Builds:

Virginia 1819 Artesania Latina - 1:41 

 

 

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

@Chuck Seiler apperantly bricks has been used since 7500 BC! Roman used them and became popular in northen europe in the early middle ages.

 

I understand that there is a step learning curve for many in using 3D technologies, but I wonder if it is as in the eighties when it was thought that everyone using computers in the future would need to be able to code. Perhaps it soon will be really simple to do 3d scans and print it.

 

@Matt D Thank you! It was quite fiddly indeed. I did two failed baskets before these, but I have also weaved a full sized a couple of years ago. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I am looking forward to see your figures. I want to do my figures basicly the same. I will do rought 3d scans of some protagonist (the most probably my brother) is desired poses and use it to pose naked figure, print it on FFD 3d printer and dress with paper cloth. I did some tests and it looks good, poses are realy lifelike.

 

This is one of test figure printed in scale 1:48. Figure layers are exgerated here, they are only lightly visible upclose and are not noticeable from distance the model will be looked at. SLA printer would do better job but I have this printer at my hand and most of it will be under the cothes anyway. Maybe I should find someone to print hands and heads on SLA printer for me.

IMG_6481s.jpg.f6c825a84a07b5ac662f9fd5c9934501.jpg

 

I had the same dilema with 3d printed vs hand made the whole model. I feel it the same as you silverman. Hand made model has different feeling. 3d printed model feels like I did not realy buld it eventhou I designed it completly in 3d. It feels like bought one. It is somehow soulless. But to be able to 3d print some acessories or small parts can be great help.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I was going to comment on those baskets as well. They're briliant.

 

Artists usually don't bother showing anything as prosaic as sounding for depth, but here's an English picture from maybe late 15th early 16th century. It's the earliest one (and perhaps the only one) I know of showing a lead line in use.

 

350055298_Hastingsmanuscript_0001.jpg.d2c47e2c5f016f0b63a008e55c80d976.jpg

Link to comment
Share on other sites

@bigpetr I really like that you will design your own figures and print them! That feels much more "hand made" then my "ready made" figures I just pose. (Nothing wrong with that either, I just see it as if I would have bought posable figures)

 

It really fits your build that you make the figures in cad along with your ship. It will be really interesting to see the progress in your thread.

 

@Louie da fly Thank you!

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Yesterday I revisited the belaying points for a third time. Last week's were too bulky and had the wrong feeling to them. Then I saw a picture of a ship that was from the 19th or 20th century that just had metal hooks as belaying points.

 

PC130021.thumb.JPG.0afc7655e1bbd51bf5fbb15ad54cdd1e.JPGPC130018.thumb.JPG.3fa3a53a66e4e7142b20dd48555bd68a.JPG

 

and as I got more satified with the fastening of that side of the braces I also changed the other side's. That used to go under the clamp in a big hole and I moved it to a loop on the inside of the clamp instead.

 

PC130020.thumb.JPG.b4f3f236591573d82909cc81a116809d.JPG

 

You might not see it, but the toggle for the rearstay is also changed as the old one was jusg a straight pin. This has some shape to it.

 

I've heard that its good to be able to bail the ship. It feels wrong with a pump in this small vessel so I opt for simple bucket and bailer. The bailer is yet to be made, but the bucket was a quick and fun build.

 

PC110009.thumb.JPG.e3651d46de36535b96b05114189b9e15.JPG

 

I laid out tapered planks on a bit of tape and rolled it into a circle and used different things to pull it tight, just like how you use hoops in real life.

 

PC110012.thumb.JPG.17b0973e5545e6e82781ce94b8452b3e.JPG

 

It worked much better than I could have hoped and it closed all the cracks.

 

PC130017.thumb.JPG.462844016fa82a0be719e5797e11f193.JPG

 

 

My first plan was to use a rope as handle, but iron handles seem to have been more popular.

 

 

I also got the main anchor made. 

 

PC130014.thumb.JPG.9581c25317e2ff3a66ce03d2c5aadbbc.JPG

 

I didn't have thick enough brass sheets for the shank or arms, but I had wire that I could hammer flat to the correct thickness.

 

It's a bit hard to say what a medieval anchor looked like as there hardly are any finds and I don't really trust the artists for this kind of details. I made this as a mix of earlier viking anchors and later admiral anchors. The curvature of the arms and the ring in the crown are from the vikings and the separate flukes from later ones. And almost all medieval artists depict the anchors as more stout than either the earlier or later so I have a shorter shank.

 

I'm also done with the sail.

 

PC090007.thumb.JPG.a1ac6f3fe997660c03fea14e83eb337e.JPG

 

It's made from stripes of japanese tissue paper sewed together. These stitches and the ones for the bolt rope is out of scale, but I think it looks ok.

 

A bonnet is laced to the bottom so they are able to decrease the area in strong winds.

 

PC130022.thumb.JPG.b1fca65671d25df99d1ebd80e768e9ed.JPGPC130030.thumb.JPG.684b931c57bb213de4e791ae87ea9908.JPG

Edited by silverman834
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Nice details you are adding to your model. I especially like the bucket and the sail. The tissue paper actually looks quite realistic. Well done.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Thank you all for then likes and  @Jim Lad and @bolin for your very kind words.

 

And thank you bolin for your thread, the discussion in it regarding sails made me understand what bonnets were and why they were used. I had seen them before but just couldn't understand them at all.

 

The bailer is done. It is based on a viking find, but I guess bailer technology didn't develop all that fast. It looks like it contains very little water, but I measure it to be 0,5 liters (0,15 gallons)

PC140014.JPG

Link to comment
Share on other sites

That seems about right, considering the fact that milk from the supermarket comes in 1 and 2 litre containers.

 

By the way, that's a really beautiful bucket and bailer. The quality of your work on the accessories - barrels, tarpaulins, baskets and now these - is superb and leaves me awestruck.

 

Steven

Edited by Louie da fly
Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • 3 months later...

Testing, testing. Is this keyboard on?

 

Sorry for the three month hiatus, but life got in the way. Well, it started as a planned break but then we moved to a new apartment and all interest of building disappeared. But now I got a room as a workshop and just as it started to get in order my interest of building came back!

 

The planned break was due to me building a base for the ship. I got really excited for a really silly idea and thought it best to have it completed before showing it here.

 

You know how I based this ship on a thesis? Why then not use that thesis as a base for the ship, literally?

 

So I bound it in a book and used it as a base.

 

Another hobby I have beside modelmaking is medieval bookbinding and thought it would be fun to bind this text that I now have read so many times. So I printed it and bound it with medieval techniques and in the same style as the cog.

 

-The covers are of pitched oak like the hull.

-The spine is covered in bleached linen like the sails.

-The row of nails along the cloth is like the rows of nails in the hull.

-The raised bands on the spine resembles the hull's frames.

-The headbands are covered with the rope used in the rigging.

-The herring used as a clasp brings to mind the ship's cargo.

 

This might not be a bookbinding forum, but I think many here would enjoy doing it so I will add couple of pics to give a small taste of it.

 

P1010019.thumb.JPG.59f4ce02b73072bcde245b0af3658e32.JPG

The pages are collected in signatures and sewn to linen laces.

P1020021.thumb.JPG.78684a0f7b1280466349617693577949.JPG

The pages are cut to make them even.

P1030023.thumb.JPG.d533b19ba248aed07299668cd703f6f3.JPG

Headbands are added as support.

PC220011.thumb.JPG.a1892a7e02c323d800feec0c7fbb4e95.JPG

And the covers are laced and pegged.

 

And this was the result

P3260030.thumb.JPG.1235f9fd32e2734a1cd6514869f181af.JPG

P3260036.thumb.JPG.3d780e3efc8cad6959c22962be7d7ec7.JPG

P3260050.thumb.JPG.712f142d37c45feca817da205080fa64.JPG

P3260052.thumb.JPG.1696341ddf24f84c62b98b4907b9a8d3.JPG

 

The title of the thesis is placed on the fore edge as they did back then and no, the thesis isn't really this thick. It is only fills the first third of the book, the rest is blank paper.

 

And it looks like this as a base

 

P3260092.thumb.JPG.777501774078c11cbb112196a0c87cbf.JPG

P3260086.thumb.JPG.4b2dc5e69fce5723658d7a4845c29ca9.JPG

 

 

The funny thing is that this really is the second book I made. The first one was too small. You know what they say - measure once, bind twice.

 

P3260081.thumb.JPG.b2cad8dbf8beaf4df16d20bef8e7425f.JPG

Edited by silverman834
Link to comment
Share on other sites

That's such a great idea! And the vessel looks just right being supported by the book. It'll probably be something most people miss on first inspection, and you can perhaps enjoy the "Aha!" moment as they realise the book really is about the ship.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

This a most unusual yet fascinating stand for the model.  Well done, sir.   

Mark
"The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me

Current Build:                                                                                             
Past Builds:
 La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD           Triton Cross-Section   

 NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit                                                                            HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64               

 

Non-Ship Model:                                                                                         On hold, maybe forever:           

CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed                                                   Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)         

         

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    • No registered users viewing this page.
×
×
  • Create New...