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Wishing you the best for a quick and full recovery Clipperfan. 

 

cheers

 

Pat

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Druxey, Rob, Keith and Banyan thanks guys for the encouraging words for healing. I appreciate it more than mere words can express.

Rob, you may already know this but just in case, I discovered that Glory's underwater Hull was sheathed up to 22 feet. I also learned that her individual strakes were not 1 foot, like I first thought but 6 1/2". That puts her upper Hull at the Starboard Hull Main Dock closer to 17 feet. 9 strakes just below her Dock equal 4' 10 1/2", her Dock height at 4 strakes equal 2' 2" and 7 strakes above are 3' 9 1/2". Total height up to Main Rail are 10' 10".  Main Rail height is 5' and her Monkey Rail is 1' 6" added to that. Combined with height below Sheer Rail, this brings her Hull height to 17' 4". When combined with 22' lower Hull this brings her revised total to 39' 4". I'm still trying to get accurate dimensions for Sheer Rail, Main Rail and Monkey Rail. I think 6" might be accurate, which would add another 1' 6" to her total Hull bringing her up to 40' 10".

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6 hours ago, ClipperFan said:

Rob, you may already know this but just in case, I discovered that Glory's underwater Hull was sheathed up to 22 feet. I also learned that her individual strakes were not 1 foot, like I first thought but 6 1/2". That puts her upper Hull at the Starboard Hull Main Dock closer to 17 feet. 9 strakes just below her Dock equal 4' 10 1/2", her Dock height at 4 strakes equal 2' 2" and 7 strakes above are 3' 9 1/2". Total height up to Main Rail are 10' 10".  Main Rail height is 5' and her Monkey Rail is 1' 6" added to that. Combined with height below Sheer Rail, this brings her Hull height to 17' 4". When combined with 22' lower Hull this brings her revised total to 39' 4". I'm still trying to get accurate dimensions for Sheer Rail, Main Rail and Monkey Rail. I think 6" might be accurate, which would add another 1' 6" to her total Hull bringing her up to 40' 10".

Great sleuthing Clipper fan.  I had realized she had very tall sides...39 1/2 ft was my goal...but the new eval of 40' 10" makes sense.  Just use deductive comparison analysis....look at these already posted images to see what I mean.

 

Look at the height of her sides above the copper line and the height of her gunals from main deck level. 

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The LORD said, "See, I have set (them) aside...with skills of all kinds, to make artistic designs for work in gold, silver, and bronze, to cut and set stones, to work in wood, and to engage in all kinds of crafts."

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Back to my insanity.  I laid down the sub veneer on the port side....once dried I will then again begin adding the coats of acrylic stone to form this side of the hull.

The starboard side has its second coat already and it is dry...a few more touch-ups and it will be ready for final finishing.  I'm waiting to get the starboard side to the same level of finish before I finish both sides together.

 

I pray, I have not lost a faithful audience...thinking I have gone completely mad..straying away from hard and true planking techniques for a back alley quick remedy for success.  However I have always contended that I use unorthodox techniques and materials when I build my models.

 

Remember friends it is the finished product that maters...not how we get there.

 

Here are some pics of the doings from my frankensteinian laboratory......

 

Rob

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The LORD said, "See, I have set (them) aside...with skills of all kinds, to make artistic designs for work in gold, silver, and bronze, to cut and set stones, to work in wood, and to engage in all kinds of crafts."

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Haven't lost me Rob, there is more than one way to achieve the same outcome.  AS you are looking for hull form, what type of planking technique you use is entirely up to you.

 

cheers

 

Pat

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Spent a little time prepping the starboard side for silicone stone application.

 

Rob

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Spent some time working and adding material to the starboard side.

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Build log: 1/96  Donald McKay:http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/4522-donald-mckay-medium-clipper-by-rwiederrich-1855/

 

Completed build:  http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/gallery/album/475-196-cutty-sark-plastic/

The LORD said, "See, I have set (them) aside...with skills of all kinds, to make artistic designs for work in gold, silver, and bronze, to cut and set stones, to work in wood, and to engage in all kinds of crafts."

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39 minutes ago, Keith Black said:

Rob, what is the working time? 

Well since it's getting cold outside...it usually means I have to have the material laid, and trawled out in about 10 minutes.  If it was warmer even less.

That mean the initial set has occurred and I can begin carving down any over exaggerated material shortly there after.  I generally prefer the material to be totally dry so I can carve and sand without clogging my discs.

 

I spent some time sanding and filling also tonight...this I'll let cure over night and will work some more after work tomorrow.

Just to keep this build interesting...I plan on using lots of dental materials in its construction.  I will be using UVL cured cements to afix the main and monkey rails..not to mention any and all the sheer and chainplate structures and moldings.  UVL cements cure instantly and become a hard plastic...10 times stronger then typical type cements.

 

Plus this makes the build go by far more rapidly.  No waiting for glues to dry...just zap the cement with a UV light and done.

 

We're getting there folks.

 

Rob

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The LORD said, "See, I have set (them) aside...with skills of all kinds, to make artistic designs for work in gold, silver, and bronze, to cut and set stones, to work in wood, and to engage in all kinds of crafts."

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Rob, I know that you previously mentioned a deep hull, but did not realise how so until seeing the last batch of photos.

 

WRT the compound, I am assuming you have done trials yto enure the outer planking will glue to it OK?

 

cheers

 

Pat

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Yep she is a pretty tall hull.

 

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The LORD said, "See, I have set (them) aside...with skills of all kinds, to make artistic designs for work in gold, silver, and bronze, to cut and set stones, to work in wood, and to engage in all kinds of crafts."

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Rob, Merry Christmas to you and yours and a Happy New Year.......Keith

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I want to belatedly wish everyone a safe Happy New Year 2021. For the first time in decades, I slept through New Year's Eve. It's been a challenging year and our family was just too tired to stay up. I hope everyone had a safe and restful New Year's day holiday. 

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Coming along very nicely Rob; starting to see her true lines now.

 

cheers

 

Pat

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I've been in contact with Michael Mjelde and boy oh boy do I have some news for you all.  Mike has been in touch with a professional shipwright in Australia who through much effort by using every available photograph and being a designer of *DownEasters*, has designed and produced accurate drawings of the Glory of the Seas.  Mike is meeting with me this weekend and we will discuss my own current project and he will be giving me a copy of the hull plans.........   I will be getting him to autograph my two volumes he has written on the subject and If I am very fortunate I might get a peek at his new manuscript of his new book on the Glory of the Seas.

 

I am like a kid in a candy store.   Best wishes to all....

 

Rob

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The LORD said, "See, I have set (them) aside...with skills of all kinds, to make artistic designs for work in gold, silver, and bronze, to cut and set stones, to work in wood, and to engage in all kinds of crafts."

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Rob, you lucky devil - I wish I could run into a shipwright or expert like that re Victoria, even if just for the conversation (I understanding you are talking with Michael but even so, has had the benefit of the other discussions and knowledge to pass on) - envious!

 

Seriously though, that is great news for you.

 

cheers

 

Pat

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I told Michael of the wonderful membership of fellow model shipwrights and our cooperation in working out the most accurate hull of the Glory and how we concluded that the drawings he made over 20 years ago were inaccurate.  He completely agreed and was excited to hear of our project that nearly mirrored that of his own and his Australian accomplice. I’m so excited to show him our communitive progress.   I have so much to discuss with him......and to show him my collection of Glory artifacts.

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Current build(On hold):

Build log: 1/96  Donald McKay:http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/4522-donald-mckay-medium-clipper-by-rwiederrich-1855/

 

Completed build:  http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/gallery/album/475-196-cutty-sark-plastic/

The LORD said, "See, I have set (them) aside...with skills of all kinds, to make artistic designs for work in gold, silver, and bronze, to cut and set stones, to work in wood, and to engage in all kinds of crafts."

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7 hours ago, TheAuthorsDaughter said:

You’re welcome 😉 

Arina....you've been instrumental in the entire process of introduction to your father.  I've only read of other artists(Model shipwrights) having an audience with your father...but to imagine myself in that company is a real honor for me.  Thank you.

 

Rob

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Build log: 1/96  Donald McKay:http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/4522-donald-mckay-medium-clipper-by-rwiederrich-1855/

 

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The LORD said, "See, I have set (them) aside...with skills of all kinds, to make artistic designs for work in gold, silver, and bronze, to cut and set stones, to work in wood, and to engage in all kinds of crafts."

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You are very welcome, growing up it was just normal for us kids to meet other “ship” people, like Frank Prothero that built the other Glory that was being worked on in PT and had history on the  Glory as well as others that became  friends with my dad. We have a rich maritime history here in the PNW. It wasn’t until I was older that I realized there  was a bunch of “Glory  Groupies” with my dad being one of the bigger ones 😁 and he has kept researching her and compiling more info on her and her captains and crew!

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Welcome aboard Arina, we look forward to the results of the forthcoming conversations.

 

regards from Downunder

 

Pat

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Good health everoyne. I was just about to ask whats the news but reading thru Robs news a Im like kids getting christmass and what a company we have here. Cannot wait for those outocmes i myself little abandoned plan to continue as realized there still would be somenthing i am not really up to. nice start of year just hope everyone stay healthy safe, to update myself i started to build rigless model of hms winchelsea under Chucks group project ( sou can chcek if youre interested) meanwhile,  which got me in touch with nice fellow around here who is cutting laser stuff and made me fantastic bulkheads for very fair price. So I cant wait to see some proper glorys lines. I would jump on wagon in 1:65 scale even it would be hell of a big beast. :) cheers everyone. 

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Well here is a brief description of my meeting with Michael Mjelde and his daughter Arina(The authors daughter).

We enjoyed several hours of discussion and quite frankly....astounding revelation.  Michaels involvement in Glory's history is far more reaching then anyone could ever imagine.  I learned that there are over a hundred additional photographs of her that he has acquired from family of former crew members and other sources...that have NEVER been published.  Even original hand written letters from Donald himself.

Needless to say at this news I was overwhelmed.  So much history  that I was unaware of was discussed.  History that I hope to be introduced to in the near future.

Michael brought with him an original model that he had commissioned by a model shipwright over 40 years ago....built from the vary original plans he had devised.  they did contain some of his original errors...but since having the line drawings remade and corrected...a new model...a more accurate one can be built.  Not failing to recognize the extreme quality of this model...the builder was very experienced.

 

I'm enclosing several images with a mild description of each.

First...Michael with Arina discussing the original model.

 

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The LORD said, "See, I have set (them) aside...with skills of all kinds, to make artistic designs for work in gold, silver, and bronze, to cut and set stones, to work in wood, and to engage in all kinds of crafts."

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Michael explaining the error in the identification of this famous image of Glory.  He told me that it was not of her in San Francisco...but actually of her just after launching in Donald McKay's yard... 

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Current build(On hold):

Build log: 1/96  Donald McKay:http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/4522-donald-mckay-medium-clipper-by-rwiederrich-1855/

 

Completed build:  http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/gallery/album/475-196-cutty-sark-plastic/

The LORD said, "See, I have set (them) aside...with skills of all kinds, to make artistic designs for work in gold, silver, and bronze, to cut and set stones, to work in wood, and to engage in all kinds of crafts."

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I'm showing Michael my original composite build of Glory, explaining to him how I modified the hull of an old Revell Cutty Sark.   He was impressed......as I was enjoyed.

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Current build(On hold):

Build log: 1/96  Donald McKay:http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/4522-donald-mckay-medium-clipper-by-rwiederrich-1855/

 

Completed build:  http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/gallery/album/475-196-cutty-sark-plastic/

The LORD said, "See, I have set (them) aside...with skills of all kinds, to make artistic designs for work in gold, silver, and bronze, to cut and set stones, to work in wood, and to engage in all kinds of crafts."

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I could not let this encounter slip away without a proper book signing.  He signed three of my books.

We talked about the third book that he has at the publishers about the last voyage of the Gory....exciting!

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Build log: of 1/128th Great Republic: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/13740-great-republic-by-rwiederrich-four-masted-extreme-clipper-1853/#

 

Current build(On hold):

Build log: 1/96  Donald McKay:http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/4522-donald-mckay-medium-clipper-by-rwiederrich-1855/

 

Completed build:  http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/gallery/album/475-196-cutty-sark-plastic/

The LORD said, "See, I have set (them) aside...with skills of all kinds, to make artistic designs for work in gold, silver, and bronze, to cut and set stones, to work in wood, and to engage in all kinds of crafts."

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