SIDEWAYS SAM Posted November 10, 2020 Author Share #31 Posted November 10, 2020 Started upper planking and lining waist gun ports prior to fixing upper gun deck cannon. There are ten cannon in view on this deck and I want to fix the carriages whilst I can still get in there and before the gangways are fixed. Just the carriages fixed and rigged at this stage. I can add the barrels much later. The cap squares will need to be painted on before fitting the carriages. Hopefully they will be partly hidden. Not impressed with all four wheels being the same diameter but as all the decks on this kit are flat and not cambered they probably thought different sizes weren't necessary. Will not be fitting the dummy barrels on this deck - having closed gunport lids instead. Thinking of the same for the lower gun deck. Photo shows bits required for one carriage before assembly and painting. marktiedens, coxswain and Edwardkenway 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SIDEWAYS SAM Posted November 18, 2020 Author Share #32 Posted November 18, 2020 Started assembly of 10 cannons - waist of upper gun deck. Fitted new scalpel blades and broke out a new razor saw to cut out the carriage parts. Assembled all the bits and then took stock. Bits missing from the plywood parts due to delamination. these will need several coats of paint to cover the plywood so decided to make good. Be as careful as you like - these bits will break. Trunnions pre-fitted to barrels and about half were deformed and needed straightening. Broke off three spoiling two barrels before throwing them all in the bin (not even the spares box !!). Replaced with barrels from spares box. Assembled basic carcase, applied first of many coats of paint and fixed axles. Axles are far too small for wheels provided - photo attached. Will be replaced with wooden cocktail sticks. Not looking forward to removing twenty axles without damaging the ply carriages. One step forward, two back. Can't find replacement carriages of the correct period or I would have binned this lot days ago. Should have taken more notice of Mark's postings ref. armament on this kit. Turning into an interesting build. marktiedens, sferoida, Edwardkenway and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marktiedens Posted November 18, 2020 Share #33 Posted November 18, 2020 Yes,it is frustrating,considering the price & size of the kit. You are making a good go of it,though! It tested my patience more than once. Mark SIDEWAYS SAM 1 Quote current build - HMS Vanguard - Model Shipways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SIDEWAYS SAM Posted November 19, 2020 Author Share #34 Posted November 19, 2020 Thanks for the likes and, Marks comments. Still trying to hide the plywood edges on the carriages - on my third coat of paint. Wheels fitted to wooden axles and look better than the brass. This is all taking time but worth it - these are the details that make or break a model. Sam. Edwardkenway, HardeeHarHar and marktiedens 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SIDEWAYS SAM Posted November 19, 2020 Author Share #35 Posted November 19, 2020 Basic waist cannon. Replacement barrels will be blackened and fitted much later. Bolts, eyebolts and rigging to be fitted then, carriages can be installed. After this step I can install the gangways and upper decks. Looking forward to something less fiddly. Sam. marktiedens, Edwardkenway and BobG 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SIDEWAYS SAM Posted November 24, 2020 Author Share #36 Posted November 24, 2020 Thanks for the likes. Upper gun deck waist carriages finished. Next to install is the gun tackle. Cannon and breeching ropes will be fitted at a much later date. Tempted to install a bucket adjacent each position but wouldn't go any further. Then on with the upper decks. Sam. puckotred, coxswain, marktiedens and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SIDEWAYS SAM Posted December 5, 2020 Author Share #37 Posted December 5, 2020 After several disastrous efforts at fixing gun tackles and not being able to source double blocks small enough not to look stupid I gave in. Final solution is a blatant lift from - Superdetailing the Cutter Sherbourne by George Bandurek. Carriages end up fixed in the "stowed position". 0.75mm line is coiled twice around a wire armature then trimmed to 1mm long and fixed in position. Not what I intended but the best I could come up with. Sam. goetzi73, Edwardkenway, sferoida and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobG Posted December 5, 2020 Share #38 Posted December 5, 2020 Wonderful work, Sam! Quote Bob Garcia "Measure once, cuss twice!" Current Builds: Hms Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 - Vanguard Models Pen Duick - Artesania Latina 1:28 Completed: Medway Longboat 1742 - Syren Ship Model Co. Member of the Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SIDEWAYS SAM Posted December 7, 2020 Author Share #39 Posted December 7, 2020 Thanks BobG. A compromise caused by fat fingers and the eyesight of a mole. Sam. BobG 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SIDEWAYS SAM Posted December 10, 2020 Author Share #40 Posted December 10, 2020 Upper gun deck finished for now and waist gangway beams fixed. Read Mark Tiedens post ref the gangway supports and, the instruction book supplied. Agree 100% on the columns. (Replacements on order). Will not be following the supplied instructions but will also go for one continuous beam which will also cover the edge of the false gangway and the edge plank. Occre's approach is to provide plywood where ever possible and, where seen - paint it red. I'm trying for a more natural look. Mark's paint job is superb but I can't re-create this quality hence my reliance on stain and varnish. Cannon barrels will be removed, blackened and stored for later. Sam. Edwardkenway, sferoida, marktiedens and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marktiedens Posted December 10, 2020 Share #41 Posted December 10, 2020 Thanks for the kind words. You are doing a fine job with this kit - I was able to cover much of the plywood edges with gobs of paint,but even with that it would have been nice to have plywood that didn`t fall apart just by looking at it! Mark Quote current build - HMS Vanguard - Model Shipways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SIDEWAYS SAM Posted December 11, 2020 Author Share #42 Posted December 11, 2020 Thanks for the comments Mark and, everyone for the likes. This kit is turning into a sturdy well designed build but treat the instructions as a guide only. Compared with some previous kits the main framing needed very little work but Oh, that plywood is still a problem with me. Your build and Sferoida's show the end result is worth the hassle and extra work. Sam marktiedens 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SIDEWAYS SAM Posted December 14, 2020 Author Share #43 Posted December 14, 2020 Gangway blanks fitted and edges trimmed. These will be reduced in height to suit the deck planking after planks are fixed. So lots of work over Christmas. Second photo shows replacement columns. Supplied by Cornwall Model Boats. Ordered on line early afternoon and delivered the following morning slightly more than 20 hours later. It helps that they are just up the road from me but still impressive. The next build stages should go more quickly, will be using kit parts and stock items. Sam. catopower, marktiedens, goetzi73 and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SIDEWAYS SAM Posted December 21, 2020 Author Share #44 Posted December 21, 2020 King and margin planks fitted. Forecastle deck planked and first coat of varnish applied. Sam. marktiedens, Edwardkenway and BobG 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SIDEWAYS SAM Posted December 21, 2020 Author Share #45 Posted December 21, 2020 Gangways planked plus one coat of varnish. Sam Edwardkenway, BobG and marktiedens 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SIDEWAYS SAM Posted December 23, 2020 Author Share #46 Posted December 23, 2020 Gangway columns, grating and companionway fitted. Trim and varnish after deck planking fitted. Sam. goetzi73, puckotred, Edwardkenway and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SIDEWAYS SAM Posted December 30, 2020 Author Share #47 Posted December 30, 2020 Thanks for the likes. Attached is progress on upper deck planking. Next will be the cabin walls. The dreaded ply again. I have already decided to plank them. Also to be planked will be the inner bulwarks but I will use the ply pieces supplied as templates. Happy New Year, Sam. puckotred, coxswain, Edwardkenway and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobG Posted December 31, 2020 Share #48 Posted December 31, 2020 Really well done, Sam! She looks great. SIDEWAYS SAM 1 Quote Bob Garcia "Measure once, cuss twice!" Current Builds: Hms Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 - Vanguard Models Pen Duick - Artesania Latina 1:28 Completed: Medway Longboat 1742 - Syren Ship Model Co. Member of the Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SIDEWAYS SAM Posted January 2, 2021 Author Share #49 Posted January 2, 2021 Happy New Year. Doors and windows to rear cabins made. Photo's should be self explanatory. Next step is to plank the cabin walls. Sam. puckotred, coxswain, Edwardkenway and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SIDEWAYS SAM Posted January 7, 2021 Author Share #50 Posted January 7, 2021 Thanks for the likes. Rear cabin screens fitted and inner bulwark planking commenced. Need to tone down the caulking though it looks a lot worst on the photo's than in real life. Sam. marktiedens, catopower, Edwardkenway and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SIDEWAYS SAM Posted January 10, 2021 Author Share #51 Posted January 10, 2021 Steering gear assembled and rigged. Dry fitted for photo's. Permanent fix before poop deck fixed due to limited access. Instructions seem to be written to suit supply of parts in stages. Probably explains why the kit arrived in six boxes. Spending a fair amount of time moving back and forth through the instructions. Getting it correct most of the time. Sam. marktiedens, Edwardkenway, kirill4 and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catopower Posted January 10, 2021 Share #52 Posted January 10, 2021 It's interesting that you received it in six boxes. They have the kit in a single box at Ages of Sail. You somehow received the kit from their supply of "Packs" or part kits, but I think the instructions are the same as the ones in the full kit. This is the only kit I'm aware of where OcCre actually broke down the instructions into six stages to match the part kits. I have the Montañes as a part kit and you just build until you don't have enough pieces to go on, which now that I think about it, is going to be pretty weird. Your NS del Pilar is looking great! Blackreed and SIDEWAYS SAM 2 Quote Clare Hess He's a -> "HE" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SIDEWAYS SAM Posted January 10, 2021 Author Share #53 Posted January 10, 2021 Thanks for the likes and, your comments Catopower. Post one of this thread shows how the kit arrived. Six boxes of various sizes all assembled into a stout cardboard sleeve. This was plain, no markings. This was placed inside a thin highly decorated cardboard sleeve. You are right Catopower, I have found a website (D'Agostini) who sell all sorts of kits especially the full Occre range. You can buy these in stages or, as a full kit. I bought my kit from Cornwall model Boats (as a complete kit) during the pandemic. Now I realise that this can be bought in stages the instruction book makes more sense in it's layout. First thing I did on receipt was unpack to make sure it was all there and then stored it all in one box, AL's HMAT Bounty kit box (which luckily I didn't throw away). Thanks for the imput. Sam. catopower 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catopower Posted January 11, 2021 Share #54 Posted January 11, 2021 Hi Sam, I was interested in the N.S. del Pilar kit, but I initially got turned off because of the oddness of the poop deck in the kit. The edge of the upper-most deck is oddly exposed, extending out past the bulwarks. This didn't seem right to me. But, hen, I ran across some plans of the ship and saw photos of older models of the ship, and they all show this rather unusual feature. Readin a little about her history, and about how she was rebuilt in 1750, I'm guessing that the poop deck might have been extended to increase the number of cabins or cabin space on the quarterdeck below. I any case, I now find her a very interesting ship, and am enjoying following your build. SIDEWAYS SAM 1 Quote Clare Hess He's a -> "HE" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SIDEWAYS SAM Posted January 12, 2021 Author Share #55 Posted January 12, 2021 Hi Catopower, Thanks for the info and interest shown. Before starting this kit the earliest build I attempted was HMAT Bounty, 1783. Before this I kept to the 1790 - 1815 era. So I assumed the odd difference was due to advancements in building technique between 1733 and 1750 when she sank and later building practice and design. I have already deviated from the plans provided and intend to treat the poop deck very differently also. This build will end up as a generic model and will be un-named. Also, should you be on the poop deck puzzling over the weird arrangement and, someone shouts "dinners ready" don't rush down the ladders to the upper deck because someone left a cannon at the bottom of the stairs. Looking at the height of this cannon port above the deck it could only be used against low flying aircraft and would probably be stored elsewhere. I used the ply piece supplied in the kit to locate this port and now wish I hadn't. After all that, I am enjoying this build and it will end up an impressive piece. Regards, Sam. ccoyle, marktiedens, BobG and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SIDEWAYS SAM Posted January 15, 2021 Author Share #56 Posted January 15, 2021 Poop deck planked. Varnish to be applied later. Inner bulwarks will be planked , won't be using the ply provided but not until after the stern piece is fixed. Next step is to finish the first planking so will post again in a few weeks time. Tomasz B, Baltic_submariner, marktiedens and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SIDEWAYS SAM Posted February 17, 2021 Author Share #57 Posted February 17, 2021 Haven't posted for a while - been fixing the first planking. There is a lot of it. For light relief have been working on the stern piece. Attached photo's show cabin rear walls. Extra coat of yellow ocre needed Next is the balustrading and lower stern piece. Also the hull planking. Starting to question the wisdom of double planking. There is so much of it. Sam. Edwardkenway, marktiedens, Ondras71 and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SIDEWAYS SAM Posted February 21, 2021 Author Share #58 Posted February 21, 2021 Hi, and thanks for visiting. Stern piece finished (for now). Might work on the gilding later. Now back to the dreaded planking. There is so much of it. Sam. Blackreed, Schubbe, catopower and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardkenway Posted February 21, 2021 Share #59 Posted February 21, 2021 (edited) Very nice! The stern piece looks great.😉 Edited February 21, 2021 by Edwardkenway Blackreed 1 Quote Current builds; Henry Ramey Upcher 1:25 Providence whaleboat- 1:25 HMS Winchelsea 1764 1:48 Completed: HM Cutter Sherbourne- 1:64- finished Triton cross section scratch- 1:60 - finished Non ship: SBD-3 Dauntless 1:48 Hasegawa -FINISHED Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick_S Posted February 21, 2021 Share #60 Posted February 21, 2021 Hi Sam, good build log, I sure it will be invaluable one day when I get round to starting mine. You are doing a fine job.....👍👍 Edwardkenway 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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