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I know things are different in different places......sections of books, periodicals, music or films can be used for educational, study and 'free use' (whatever the phrase is.)

While I accept, respect and support copyright rules for what they are intended; ie preventing commercial exploitation of others property and intellectual rights; using a paragraph quote or image to illustrate a point is not illegal.

Reproducing a complete book is.

My bunker lid is down.

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As I said........

'using a paragraph quote or image to illustrate a point is not illegal.

Reproducing a complete book is.'

So, I think that fits comfortably with your above comment, Mark.

I just felt I had to wade in, as several posts have recently given 'knee jerk' reactions to poorly perceived copyright issues.

Just because a book (for example) is protected by copyright legislation, doesn't mean limited material can't be used to elaborate a point. Of course, it is common courtesy to give proper  reference to the source.

Thank you for your forbearance.

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From NMM Collections, cropped:

"... figurehead for Imperieuse (captured 1804), a captured Spanish 40-gun frigate. The bust figurehead is a female facing forward wearing a tiara and pearls in her long hair. A double pearl necklace sits around her neck above the top-line of a flowing gown. ..."

NMM id = J5366

As HMS Imperieuse she was Cochrane's ship during the attack on Basque Roads.




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On 11/18/2020 at 6:59 AM, bruce d said:



... and a drawing of the correct figurehead for Victory at Trafalgar. These old magazines have their uses.


Do not think so 🙂


I think there is a misinterpretation that got its own life.  As the culprits had a red and blue scarf there was the interpretation them to represent the marines and sailors. It appeared that the damages the culprits took - one left an arm, one a leg - were coincidenting with the major wounds of the 2 groups at the battle. And this took a life on its own ending up in the believe that were a marine and a sailor standing beside the coat of arms. But that is imho.


The article publishing this picture originates from 1891, so it is not contemporary. Also the Independent revealed that since approx. 1815 both of the Culprits were on board 🙂







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2 hours ago, dafi said:

Do not think so 🙂

It looks like you are right 👍 according to some very good researchers. See this link for a summary:



Although I can't add anything to ther investigations it now looks like the image I posted represents the first figurehead, not the Trafalgar veteran. It would be useful if the 1891 publisher had given his source, then we could know if the image is a copy of a copy of a ....

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On 2/2/2021 at 12:06 AM, bruce d said:

HMS Trincomalee/Foudroyant



This one from HMS Trincomalee caught my eye as I attended a talk by the Curator of the ship on Wednesday.  Turns out this old photo is of the ships second figurehead which dates from 1845.  It has just been recently restored and is now on display at the NMRN Hartlepool, see below.  The colours are slightly different from the ship copy as research during restoration facilitated the analysis of old paint samples.







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A few figurehead drawings in a collection compiled/collected by Oliver W Lang unearthed by researcher in the National Archives (UK) (I think?).   These were in a box of drawings, sketches etc believed collected by Lang when commissioned to gather information  from all Royal Dockyards in the mid-19th century, in an attempt to standardise the way equipment was fitted.





Figure Head Drawings from a Package of drawing by Oliver W Lang.pdf

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