Old ships' figureheads photo

[bruce d]

Ships not named, again IWM is source

 

 

EDIT: see post#35 below, druxey identifies one of the figureheads.

Edited December 3, 2020 by bruce d

[bruce d]

Admiralty Barge

 

 

Edited December 3, 2020 by bruce d

[bruce d]

Implacable

 

[bruce d]

Figurehead of HMS Cruiser in Malta shore establishment survives bombs in WW2

 

[druxey]

In post #31 the armed, crowned figure striking with his sword is Black Prince. One of a series of Players' cigarette cards of figureheads features this. 

[bruce d]

A figurehead for two ships:

 

[druxey]

The cigarette cards I referred to earlier are shown here (Black Prince is bottom row far left).

[bruce d]

47 minutes ago, Keithbrad80 said:

The Clipper Ships  by A.B.C. Whipple

Nice images Keith. Not sure, isn't that book still in copyright?

[bruce d]

From 'Coleman Journal', Alberta, January 5 1928.

[Keithbrad80]

7 hours ago, bruce d said:

Nice images Keith. Not sure, isn't that book still in copyright?

Bruce, I looked it up, it is still in copy right. I should have thought of that before hand so I’ll delete that picture right now, thanks for reminding me!

 

Bradley

[bruce d]

7 hours ago, Keithbrad80 said:

thanks for reminding me!

😉

[shipman]

I know things are different in different places......sections of books, periodicals, music or films can be used for educational, study and 'free use' (whatever the phrase is.)

While I accept, respect and support copyright rules for what they are intended; ie preventing commercial exploitation of others property and intellectual rights; using a paragraph quote or image to illustrate a point is not illegal.

Reproducing a complete book is.

My bunker lid is down.

[bruce d]

26 minutes ago, shipman said:

My bunker lid is down.

Good luck. 🤐

[mtaylor]

Under "fair use" here in the States, one can post, for lack of a better word(s), bits and pieces as example.   Posting the whole document would be a no-go.

[shipman]

As I said........

'using a paragraph quote or image to illustrate a point is not illegal.

Reproducing a complete book is.'

So, I think that fits comfortably with your above comment, Mark.

I just felt I had to wade in, as several posts have recently given 'knee jerk' reactions to poorly perceived copyright issues.

Just because a book (for example) is protected by copyright legislation, doesn't mean limited material can't be used to elaborate a point. Of course, it is common courtesy to give proper  reference to the source.

Thank you for your forbearance.

[mtaylor]

You're doing good, Shipman.   I too try to clarify things.  The more of us that do this, the less hassles we'll all have.  

[bruce d]

From 'The American Neptune Pictorial Supplement 11-20'

Includes billetboards and other decorated pieces as well as figureheads.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[bruce d]

Bark Enterprise:

 

 

 

 

[bruce d]

From NMM Collections, cropped:

"... figurehead for Imperieuse (captured 1804), a captured Spanish 40-gun frigate. The bust figurehead is a female facing forward wearing a tiara and pearls in her long hair. A double pearl necklace sits around her neck above the top-line of a flowing gown. ..."

NMM id = J5366

As HMS Imperieuse she was Cochrane's ship during the attack on Basque Roads.

 

 

[uss frolick]

I have the full set of plans of Imperiuse. They include that drawing in 1/2 inch scale, and another in the same scale of her stern decorations. She is a very lovely ship. They are marked as taken off following her repair in 1809.

[bruce d]

Danish frigate Faroe 1767:

 

[bruce d]

Danish frigate Havruen 1760. Stern decoration uses same 'fish tail' as on female figurehead:

 

 

 

 

 

EDIT: Correct photo number #1 now, my boo-boo earlier.

Edited January 28, 2021 by bruce d

[bruce d]

Another 18th century Danish ship, name unknown, with stern decoration reflecting the figurehead features.

(Please note I have corrected a dumb mistake in the previous post, correct image is displayed now)

 

 

[rwiederrich]

On 11/29/2020 at 4:57 PM, bruce d said:

 

Yes the Donald McKay clan figurehead spent years in this field by that tree..before it was collected up and donated to the Seaport Village in Mystic.

[bruce d]

HMS Trincomalee/Foudroyant

 

[dafi]

On 11/18/2020 at 6:59 AM, bruce d said:

 

... and a drawing of the correct figurehead for Victory at Trafalgar. These old magazines have their uses.

 

Do not think so 🙂

 

I think there is a misinterpretation that got its own life.  As the culprits had a red and blue scarf there was the interpretation them to represent the marines and sailors. It appeared that the damages the culprits took - one left an arm, one a leg - were coincidenting with the major wounds of the 2 groups at the battle. And this took a life on its own ending up in the believe that were a marine and a sailor standing beside the coat of arms. But that is imho.

 

The article publishing this picture originates from 1891, so it is not contemporary. Also the Independent revealed that since approx. 1815 both of the Culprits were on board 🙂

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/hms-victory-royal-navy-battle-trafalgar-b1799397.html?fbclid=IwAR1tZj6hC8OtZAaXlQtRrkZbT_ohxLmznkYIvSj1t82CGkgjvAPcVjbcOUo

 

XXXDAn

 

 

[bruce d]

2 hours ago, dafi said:

Do not think so 🙂

It looks like you are right 👍 according to some very good researchers. See this link for a summary:

https://snr.org.uk/snr-forum/topic/hms-victory-figureheads/

 

Although I can't add anything to ther investigations it now looks like the image I posted represents the first figurehead, not the Trafalgar veteran. It would be useful if the 1891 publisher had given his source, then we could know if the image is a copy of a copy of a ....

[bruce d]

Star of Zealand:

 

[Morgan]

On 2/2/2021 at 12:06 AM, bruce d said:

HMS Trincomalee/Foudroyant

 

This one from HMS Trincomalee caught my eye as I attended a talk by the Curator of the ship on Wednesday.  Turns out this old photo is of the ships second figurehead which dates from 1845.  It has just been recently restored and is now on display at the NMRN Hartlepool, see below.  The colours are slightly different from the ship copy as research during restoration facilitated the analysis of old paint samples.

 

 

Gary

 

 

[BANYAN]

A few figurehead drawings in a collection compiled/collected by Oliver W Lang unearthed by researcher in the National Archives (UK) (I think?).   These were in a box of drawings, sketches etc believed collected by Lang when commissioned to gather information  from all Royal Dockyards in the mid-19th century, in an attempt to standardise the way equipment was fitted.

 

cheers

 

Pat

Figure Head Drawings from a Package of drawing by Oliver W Lang.pdf