ccoyle Posted February 13, 2021 Author Share #121 Posted February 13, 2021 3 hours ago, ccoyle said: amine blush Just found out that according to CLC's website, regarding MAS LV epoxy: no "amine blush" "Amine blush" will defeat all attempts to adhere subsequent coats of epoxy or varnish. Appied in anything less than about 98% humidity, MAS will not blush." Keith Black, EricWilliamMarshall, popeye the sailor and 4 others 7 Quote Chris Coyle Greer, South Carolina When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk. - Tuco Current builds: Brigantine Phoenix, Hawker Hurricane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bedford Posted February 13, 2021 Share #122 Posted February 13, 2021 (edited) Ah, so you are using an epoxy more like what I used, this being the case just go ahead, steady as she goes. I'd be coating as thin as possible and recoating while the previous coat is still just tacky Edited February 13, 2021 by Bedford Keith Black, Old Collingwood, Canute and 2 others 5 Quote Ships built :- Schooner for Port Jackson Thermoplylae Bluenose II Full size Tammie Norrie dinghy 1:8 scale Miss Caroline, model of the full size boat I built Under construction :- Royal Caroline, this one is special as it is in memory of my 13 year old daughter, Caroline who passed away in 2005 Miane three masted schooner R/C, scratch build (on hold) Charles W Morgan (on hold) Scratch designed and built R/C Mahogany and Walnut speedboat (on hold) In the que :- S.T. Waratah, maybe! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian_Grant Posted February 13, 2021 Share #123 Posted February 13, 2021 Chris, That's great that it doesn't blush! Saves you some hassle. I see they have three different hardeners with different working times; you mentioned waiting seven hours for a coat to dry - you could get away with a faster hardener especially now the glass is saturated. Epoxies sure have changed in the last 30 years! When my canoe was completed, a friend of my father-in-law "borrowed" my strongback and forms to make one too (I was glad to get them out of the garage!). Unfortunately when he got around to epoxying his exterior it was in the fall and it (the epoxy) got cloudy as it dried so he ended up painting it red 😞 . I still use west system to repair my 1:1 dinghy and they now have different hardeners guaranteed not to cloud over. Speaking of which, would my recent mast step replacement in my dinghy be of interest at all in this categorised section? mtaylor, popeye the sailor, EricWilliamMarshall and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Black Posted February 13, 2021 Share #124 Posted February 13, 2021 9 hours ago, Ian_Grant said: would my recent mast step replacement in my dinghy be of interest I'd be interested. Old Collingwood and popeye the sailor 2 Quote Current Builds: Wood Hull Screw Frigate USS Tennessee Decorative Carrack Warship Restoration, the Amelia Completed: Early Swift 1805 Model Restoration Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccoyle Posted February 13, 2021 Author Share #125 Posted February 13, 2021 It was really cold in my garage today, so I only got a few little things done. First I rounded off the ends and rub rails... ...then filled in the gaps in the bulkheads around the rails... ...and applied the second coat of epoxy to the deck undersides. Next up will be massive amounts of interior and exterior epoxy work. 😬 Edwardkenway, Jack12477, Canute and 11 others 14 Quote Chris Coyle Greer, South Carolina When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk. - Tuco Current builds: Brigantine Phoenix, Hawker Hurricane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MEDDO Posted February 14, 2021 Share #126 Posted February 14, 2021 On 2/7/2021 at 3:50 PM, ccoyle said: "Painting" with unthickened epoxy is time-consuming and not particularly fun, but it has to be done. Now, I have a question for you experienced builders out there, like @Bedford. The instructions don't say anything about sanding in-between epoxy coats. Is it a good idea? Optional? Or wait until the second coat is done and sand before varnishing? When I was building my kayak I thought that doing the epoxy was the easiest part. I was using 1/8 inch lint free rollers which I bought and cut in half and used a small rolling frame for. This was very easy to apply went on very quickly and I would do approximately 1/4 of the hull at a time. I then used a wide foam brush very very lightly dragged across the surface to break up any small bubbles which showed up. This was very easy to do. I did not sand in between coats. I let it dry for approximately one day and then apply the second coat directly on top of it. Overall I believe the bottom of the boat has seven layers and the top only has five layers of epoxy. In the end I didn’t have any retained bubbles in the finish. And then use the random orbital sander and spent quite some time I’ll bring it all down to a very nice smooth finish. After that I use the water reducible linear polyethylene for UV protection which was very easy to roll on as well. I do have pictures of this process in my build log of the Murrelet. ccoyle, EricWilliamMarshall, Keith Black and 8 others 11 Quote Michael Shipwrights of Ohio Current Build: ... Completed Builds: Queen Anne Barge - Syren, Pinnace - MS, Halifax 1768 - LSS, Murrelet - Pygmy, Swift 1805 - AL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricWilliamMarshall Posted February 15, 2021 Share #127 Posted February 15, 2021 On 2/9/2021 at 5:06 PM, ccoyle said: Not a problem. I neither duck hunt nor own any expensive shotguns Don’t worry! You still have time to start on both! Edwardkenway, Old Collingwood, mtaylor and 4 others 4 3 Quote Current adventures: USS Perry of 1843, model kit by Bluejacket - Scale 1:96 Lost at Sea: Dapper Tom - model kit by Model Shipways Previous adventures: an English Pinnace, model kit by Model Shipways, Opium Smuggler Schooner Yacht 1805, model kit by Authentic Holland Models Chesapeake Bay Flattie, model kit by Midwest, USS Constitution, model kit by Revell Albatros 1912, card model kit by HMV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccoyle Posted February 15, 2021 Author Share #128 Posted February 15, 2021 1 hour ago, EricWilliamMarshall said: You still have time to start on both! Unlikely. Duck hunting has never appealed to me. Doves are another matter. Egilman, Old Collingwood, Canute and 5 others 8 Quote Chris Coyle Greer, South Carolina When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk. - Tuco Current builds: Brigantine Phoenix, Hawker Hurricane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce d Posted February 15, 2021 Share #129 Posted February 15, 2021 4 minutes ago, ccoyle said: Duck hunting has never appealed to me. Me neither, but ... I seldom hear of duck hunting without thinking of a Dornier Libelle, the ultimate 'duck blind'. This 1920's aircraft actually included in it's sales blurb that the well-heeled owner could land it on his favorite lake, taxi to a shore and fold the wings: then, using the wings as shelter take up position on the sponsons and wait for the ducks to arrive. http://www.histaviation.com/Dornier_Do_Libelle.html I always imagine rich German arms dealers having a boozy lunch from a wicker hamper with their shotguns while sitting either side of the cockpit. BTW, I am enjoying your canoe build 😁 ccoyle, EricWilliamMarshall, popeye the sailor and 7 others 8 1 1 Quote 🌻 STAY SAFE A model shipwright and an amateur historian are heads & tails of the same coin current builds: HMS Berwick 1775, 1/192 scratchbuild; a Slade 74 in the Navy Board style Mediator sloop, 1/48 - an 18th century transport scratchbuild French longboat - CAF - 1/48, on hold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccoyle Posted February 15, 2021 Author Share #130 Posted February 15, 2021 18 minutes ago, bruce d said: BTW, I am enjoying your canoe build 😁 Thanks! Didn't do much this past weekend thanks to the garage being too cold. Edwardkenway, Keith Black, Canute and 6 others 7 2 Quote Chris Coyle Greer, South Carolina When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk. - Tuco Current builds: Brigantine Phoenix, Hawker Hurricane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricWilliamMarshall Posted February 15, 2021 Share #131 Posted February 15, 2021 5 hours ago, ccoyle said: Unlikely. Duck hunting has never appealed to me. I'm sure the ducks appreciate that. Despite the bumps in the road, she's looking good! popeye the sailor, Egilman, Keith Black and 4 others 7 Quote Current adventures: USS Perry of 1843, model kit by Bluejacket - Scale 1:96 Lost at Sea: Dapper Tom - model kit by Model Shipways Previous adventures: an English Pinnace, model kit by Model Shipways, Opium Smuggler Schooner Yacht 1805, model kit by Authentic Holland Models Chesapeake Bay Flattie, model kit by Midwest, USS Constitution, model kit by Revell Albatros 1912, card model kit by HMV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccoyle Posted February 20, 2021 Author Share #132 Posted February 20, 2021 Today I applied the second coat of epoxy to all the interior surfaces using a roller. I also applied the first coat of epoxy to the rails (except for the exterior underside -- the reason for that should be apparent) and epoxied the decks in place. Tomorrow I will give the rails their second coat, along with the decks' first coat. I'll give the decks their second coat during the week sometime and then be ready for exterior epoxy next weekend. mtaylor, bruce d, Ian_Grant and 13 others 16 Quote Chris Coyle Greer, South Carolina When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk. - Tuco Current builds: Brigantine Phoenix, Hawker Hurricane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bedford Posted February 20, 2021 Share #133 Posted February 20, 2021 Mate, you'll be splashing it in no time! mtaylor, FriedClams, popeye the sailor and 5 others 8 Quote Ships built :- Schooner for Port Jackson Thermoplylae Bluenose II Full size Tammie Norrie dinghy 1:8 scale Miss Caroline, model of the full size boat I built Under construction :- Royal Caroline, this one is special as it is in memory of my 13 year old daughter, Caroline who passed away in 2005 Miane three masted schooner R/C, scratch build (on hold) Charles W Morgan (on hold) Scratch designed and built R/C Mahogany and Walnut speedboat (on hold) In the que :- S.T. Waratah, maybe! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Lad Posted February 21, 2021 Share #134 Posted February 21, 2021 Looking absolutely first class, Chris. Looks like you'll be set for a summer of paddling. John FriedClams, Keith Black, mtaylor and 6 others 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccoyle Posted February 21, 2021 Author Share #135 Posted February 21, 2021 Forgot I needed to add the coamings. These were about 3 mm too long, so I used a sanding drum in my Dremel tool to take off the extra length and to round off the edges. bruce d, Baker, Old Collingwood and 14 others 17 Quote Chris Coyle Greer, South Carolina When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk. - Tuco Current builds: Brigantine Phoenix, Hawker Hurricane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccoyle Posted February 23, 2021 Author Share #136 Posted February 23, 2021 Second coat of epoxy on the decks and first on the coamings. Jack12477, Canute, FriedClams and 13 others 15 1 Quote Chris Coyle Greer, South Carolina When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk. - Tuco Current builds: Brigantine Phoenix, Hawker Hurricane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Javlin Posted February 23, 2021 Share #137 Posted February 23, 2021 Sasweeett!! ccoyle, Canute, Egilman and 5 others 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccoyle Posted February 23, 2021 Author Share #138 Posted February 23, 2021 So I just now finished putting the second coat of epoxy on the coamings. This was such a small amount of epoxy (one squirt each of resin and hardener) that I announced to the womenfolk that I wasn't going to change into my grubbies for the job. Doubt was expressed about whether I could do this without making a mess. Ten minutes later, upon coming in from the garage, the following conversation was had: Me: "I'm done." Wife: "Did you get any on you?" Me: "No." Daughter: "Then I owe Mom five bucks." 😆😆😆 Keithbrad80, Canute, Edwardkenway and 13 others 1 15 Quote Chris Coyle Greer, South Carolina When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk. - Tuco Current builds: Brigantine Phoenix, Hawker Hurricane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bedford Posted February 24, 2021 Share #139 Posted February 24, 2021 So your dear wife is more supportive and has more faith in you than your daughter eh? popeye the sailor, mtaylor, lmagna and 6 others 8 1 Quote Ships built :- Schooner for Port Jackson Thermoplylae Bluenose II Full size Tammie Norrie dinghy 1:8 scale Miss Caroline, model of the full size boat I built Under construction :- Royal Caroline, this one is special as it is in memory of my 13 year old daughter, Caroline who passed away in 2005 Miane three masted schooner R/C, scratch build (on hold) Charles W Morgan (on hold) Scratch designed and built R/C Mahogany and Walnut speedboat (on hold) In the que :- S.T. Waratah, maybe! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccoyle Posted February 26, 2021 Author Share #140 Posted February 26, 2021 Now we're cookin' ... first coat of external epoxy done. Old Collingwood, Landlubber Mike, popeye the sailor and 13 others 16 Quote Chris Coyle Greer, South Carolina When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk. - Tuco Current builds: Brigantine Phoenix, Hawker Hurricane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccoyle Posted February 27, 2021 Author Share #141 Posted February 27, 2021 I put the 2nd coat of epoxy on today -- I have it almost down to a science now. Today's work took only 45 minutes. I won't add a picture today, because the boat looks exactly the same as in the previous post. Once this coat cures, it will be time to do the major sanding, i.e. taking down all the lumps and bumps, smoothing the seams, etc., after which will come a final finish coat of epoxy. Time to start thinking about finishes, but still a bit of work before then. mtaylor, Baker, Old Collingwood and 10 others 13 Quote Chris Coyle Greer, South Carolina When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk. - Tuco Current builds: Brigantine Phoenix, Hawker Hurricane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce d Posted February 27, 2021 Share #142 Posted February 27, 2021 13 minutes ago, ccoyle said: now that I'm almost done with epoxy work, I have it almost down to a science. ... Time to start thinking about finishes, ... and what to do with your new-found skills as a 1 - 1 boatbuilder. 👍 popeye the sailor, Canute, FriedClams and 4 others 7 Quote 🌻 STAY SAFE A model shipwright and an amateur historian are heads & tails of the same coin current builds: HMS Berwick 1775, 1/192 scratchbuild; a Slade 74 in the Navy Board style Mediator sloop, 1/48 - an 18th century transport scratchbuild French longboat - CAF - 1/48, on hold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccoyle Posted February 27, 2021 Author Share #143 Posted February 27, 2021 53 minutes ago, bruce d said: and what to do with your new-found skills as a 1 - 1 boatbuilder If I had money, space, a trailer & hitch, and a way to hide my activities from the admiral, I would love to add a daysailer and maybe a skiff to the fleet, but don't look for those any time soon. Keith Black, EricWilliamMarshall, Old Collingwood and 8 others 4 7 Quote Chris Coyle Greer, South Carolina When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk. - Tuco Current builds: Brigantine Phoenix, Hawker Hurricane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Black Posted February 27, 2021 Share #144 Posted February 27, 2021 (edited) 6 hours ago, ccoyle said: a way to hide my activities from the admiral You could tell her you were building a 7 & 1/2 foot schooner.........on the longish side Edited February 28, 2021 by Keith Black popeye the sailor, FriedClams, Edwardkenway and 4 others 6 1 Quote Current Builds: Wood Hull Screw Frigate USS Tennessee Decorative Carrack Warship Restoration, the Amelia Completed: Early Swift 1805 Model Restoration Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egilman Posted February 27, 2021 Share #145 Posted February 27, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, ccoyle said: If I had money, space, a trailer & hitch, and a way to hide my activities from the admiral, You could always promote her to Fleet Admiral, give her a solid gold brooch with five stars to make it official.... Edited February 27, 2021 by Egilman Old Collingwood, mtaylor, Keith Black and 4 others 7 Quote Current Build: F-86F-30 Sabre by Egilman - Kinetic - 1/32nd scale In the Garage: East Bound & Down, Building a Smokey & the Bandit Kenworth Rig in 1/25th scale Completed: M8A1 HST 1930 Packard Boattail Speedster M1A1 75mm Pack Howitzer F-4J Phantom II Bell H-13's P-51B/C Temporary Suspension: USS Gwin DD-433 F-104C Starfighter "Blue Jay Four" 1/32nd Scale Terminated Build: F-104C Starfighter ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote: "Relish Today, Ketchup Tomorrow" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccoyle Posted February 27, 2021 Author Share #146 Posted February 27, 2021 4 minutes ago, Egilman said: give her a solid gold brooch You missed the part about money. 😆 EricWilliamMarshall, Landlubber Mike, lmagna and 7 others 8 2 Quote Chris Coyle Greer, South Carolina When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk. - Tuco Current builds: Brigantine Phoenix, Hawker Hurricane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bedford Posted February 28, 2021 Share #147 Posted February 28, 2021 With all this climate change you could tell her you're just planning for her safety in the event of massive flooding. popeye the sailor, FriedClams, Edwardkenway and 9 others 5 7 Quote Ships built :- Schooner for Port Jackson Thermoplylae Bluenose II Full size Tammie Norrie dinghy 1:8 scale Miss Caroline, model of the full size boat I built Under construction :- Royal Caroline, this one is special as it is in memory of my 13 year old daughter, Caroline who passed away in 2005 Miane three masted schooner R/C, scratch build (on hold) Charles W Morgan (on hold) Scratch designed and built R/C Mahogany and Walnut speedboat (on hold) In the que :- S.T. Waratah, maybe! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccoyle Posted March 4, 2021 Author Share #148 Posted March 4, 2021 Quick update: Once I realized that I still had a coat of epoxy to do, both inside and out, I became alarmed at my dwindling supplies of resin and hardener. Interestingly, when I contacted CLC, they told me that approximately 1/3 of the builders for this kit would have epoxy left over, 1/3 would have "just enough," and 1/3 would run short. Now pardon me for being naive, but I'm thinking that if a company knows that 1/3 of its customers are going to run short of a material needed to complete a kit, then that means the company isn't including enough of that material in the kit to begin with! But apparently not. I couldn't convince the company to comp me an extra bit of resin and hardener, but they did agree to send some to me sans shipping charge. I haven't gotten any sanding done since last weekend because the admiral decided to clean a large area rug in the garage, and it was suggested that very fine epoxy dust and rug cleaning were not compatible. 🤔 This weekend I will have the garage to myself again. popeye the sailor, Keith Black, EricWilliamMarshall and 9 others 12 Quote Chris Coyle Greer, South Carolina When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk. - Tuco Current builds: Brigantine Phoenix, Hawker Hurricane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardG Posted March 4, 2021 Share #149 Posted March 4, 2021 10 minutes ago, ccoyle said: Now pardon me for being naive, but I'm thinking that if a company knows that 1/3 of its customers are going to run short of a material needed to complete a kit, then that means the company isn't including enough of that material in the kit to begin with! But apparently not. Maybe they think 66% satisfied customers is ok, after all it's more than 1/2. I've met people like that. I wonder how many of the 1/3 that had epoxy left over are still satisfied when the canoe doesn't last because they didn't put enough on? Canute, Egilman, Keith Black and 8 others 11 Quote Richard Current Build: Early 19th Century US Revenue Cutter (Artesania Latina "Dallas" - messed about) Completed Build: Yakatabune - Japanese - Woody Joe mini Member: Nautical Research Guild & Midwest Model Shipwrights Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccoyle Posted March 4, 2021 Author Share #150 Posted March 4, 2021 34 minutes ago, RichardG said: Maybe they think 66% satisfied customers is ok, after all it's more than 1/2. I don't wish to speak ill of the company, because they are a site sponsor (for which I'm grateful), and I am otherwise satisfied with the product so far. But, ya know -- c'mon, people! 😉 EricWilliamMarshall, popeye the sailor, Keith Black and 6 others 9 Quote Chris Coyle Greer, South Carolina When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk. - Tuco Current builds: Brigantine Phoenix, Hawker Hurricane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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