Gbmodeler Posted October 21, 2020 Share #1 Posted October 21, 2020 Just started a new boat project. After seeing a photo of a small Brazzera with two lateen masts on Veniceboats.com (http://www.veniceboats.com/brazzera.htm), I had to build one! I have not yet found much historical information about Brazerras rigged this way, but there are several plans for single masted boats available. My model will be fictional, based on the type. A ten meter boat was chosen based on the only photo I could find, from Veniceboats.com. The length of the boat was determined and scaled off the people in the photo, and a comparison to photos of a single masted, 9-meter Croatian boat, "Our Lady of the Sea". The "Our Lady of the Sea" is a modern replica of an 18th century boat. I place the photo of my model in the late 19th century, and plan to make it in Italian ownership (maybe a sponge fishing boat?)... Any info or feedback on Brazzeras, especially those rigged with two lateen masts, would be greatly appreciated! mtaylor, ccoyle, GrandpaPhil and 2 others 5 Quote COMPLETED: Amistad Schooner, 1839, 1:96 Scale Zephyr Steam Boat, Puget Sound, Late 1800s, 1:96 Scale Chinese Junk (Fictional), 1:96 Scale Light Vessel 114, Fire Island, 1930, 1:93 Scale Bretagne, 1908 French Fishing Sloop, 1:48 Scale Barco Catalan, Late 1800s Spanish Fishing Boat, 1:48 Scale Brazzera, 1908 Italian Boat for Fishing and Cabotage, 1:48 Scale Galway Hooker, Late 1800s Irish Fishing Boat, 1:48 Scale Fifie, 1870 Scottish Fishing Boat, 1:48 Scale Misainier, 1906 French Fishing Boat, 1:48 Scale U.S. Mine Sweeping Boat MSB-6, 1952, 1:96 Scale Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobG Posted October 21, 2020 Share #2 Posted October 21, 2020 These are lovely boats. I'll take my seat and follow your build. Maris Stella makes a kit for a Brazzera and there are quite a few photos on their website: http://www.marisstella.hr/model-ship-kits-details,100,brazzera-72cm-1-32 mtaylor and Doug McKenzie 2 Quote Bob Garcia "Measure once, cuss twice!" Current Builds: Hms Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 - Vanguard Models Pen Duick - Artesania Latina 1:28 Completed: Medway Longboat 1742 - Syren Ship Model Co. Member of the Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gbmodeler Posted October 21, 2020 Author Share #3 Posted October 21, 2020 Thanks Bob! I have seen this site, and plan to use it for ideas for details! BobG and mtaylor 2 Quote COMPLETED: Amistad Schooner, 1839, 1:96 Scale Zephyr Steam Boat, Puget Sound, Late 1800s, 1:96 Scale Chinese Junk (Fictional), 1:96 Scale Light Vessel 114, Fire Island, 1930, 1:93 Scale Bretagne, 1908 French Fishing Sloop, 1:48 Scale Barco Catalan, Late 1800s Spanish Fishing Boat, 1:48 Scale Brazzera, 1908 Italian Boat for Fishing and Cabotage, 1:48 Scale Galway Hooker, Late 1800s Irish Fishing Boat, 1:48 Scale Fifie, 1870 Scottish Fishing Boat, 1:48 Scale Misainier, 1906 French Fishing Boat, 1:48 Scale U.S. Mine Sweeping Boat MSB-6, 1952, 1:96 Scale Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thanasis Posted October 21, 2020 Share #4 Posted October 21, 2020 Hi. You might find helpful to see old photos of Malta’s – Gozo boat or dghajsa or Tal-latini (all names for the same boat) Thx M mtaylor 1 Quote https://www.naftotopos.gr/index.php/el/ There are no bad or good model makers. There are only less or more experienced. In gallery Tsernikoperama - Trechandiri Brachera - Bombarda Sabatiera -Tserniki vessel rigged as Penna - NE Aegean Sea Tserniki -Tserniki of Mykonos Island -Tserniki of Mytilene Island -Trechandiri-schooner rigging Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gbmodeler Posted October 21, 2020 Author Share #5 Posted October 21, 2020 Thanks Thanasis. I'll look them up on the internet! mtaylor 1 Quote COMPLETED: Amistad Schooner, 1839, 1:96 Scale Zephyr Steam Boat, Puget Sound, Late 1800s, 1:96 Scale Chinese Junk (Fictional), 1:96 Scale Light Vessel 114, Fire Island, 1930, 1:93 Scale Bretagne, 1908 French Fishing Sloop, 1:48 Scale Barco Catalan, Late 1800s Spanish Fishing Boat, 1:48 Scale Brazzera, 1908 Italian Boat for Fishing and Cabotage, 1:48 Scale Galway Hooker, Late 1800s Irish Fishing Boat, 1:48 Scale Fifie, 1870 Scottish Fishing Boat, 1:48 Scale Misainier, 1906 French Fishing Boat, 1:48 Scale U.S. Mine Sweeping Boat MSB-6, 1952, 1:96 Scale Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gbmodeler Posted October 22, 2020 Author Share #6 Posted October 22, 2020 So, after working on the frame (rescaling the line plans, printing out the keel and bulkheads (12), cutting them out from the paper with scissors, gluing the paper cut-outs to basswood plywood, cutting-out the plywood bulkheads and keel with a scroll saw, assembling and gluing all the parts, adding deadwood to both the stern and bow sections), I realized I hated my creation (as shown earlier). In the planning stages, I was concerned this very wide boat would look TOO wide if I did not account for the width of the planking. Therefore, I reduced the bulkheads by 10% from scale, before I printed them out. Although it seemed correct at the time, this was way too much! Looking at Brassera images on the internet, they are thick, chubby vessels. I read somewhere that the width was typically 1/3 the length. Measuring several different images, they are more like 38% width to length. Unfortunately, I had created a skinny and malnourished looking Brassera... Past experience tells me, if I'm not happy with a model or model part, I better repair it it or re-build it. After a day or two of stewing, I decided it could not be repaired to my satisfaction. So... we start anew! The new frame is on the left; old on the right (perhaps I can use it on a future project?). Formers added to the frame for the deck camber... Repurposing an old cereal box as a base for the decking... GrandpaPhil, mtaylor, BobG and 1 other 4 Quote COMPLETED: Amistad Schooner, 1839, 1:96 Scale Zephyr Steam Boat, Puget Sound, Late 1800s, 1:96 Scale Chinese Junk (Fictional), 1:96 Scale Light Vessel 114, Fire Island, 1930, 1:93 Scale Bretagne, 1908 French Fishing Sloop, 1:48 Scale Barco Catalan, Late 1800s Spanish Fishing Boat, 1:48 Scale Brazzera, 1908 Italian Boat for Fishing and Cabotage, 1:48 Scale Galway Hooker, Late 1800s Irish Fishing Boat, 1:48 Scale Fifie, 1870 Scottish Fishing Boat, 1:48 Scale Misainier, 1906 French Fishing Boat, 1:48 Scale U.S. Mine Sweeping Boat MSB-6, 1952, 1:96 Scale Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gbmodeler Posted October 23, 2020 Author Share #7 Posted October 23, 2020 Started the decking process by gluing the cereal box as a "false deck" and staining basswood strips for planking. I am using 1/16 x 1/8 inch strips for planks; and, I always stain the planks before gluing them. Even though they will be heavily sanded later, if you don't stain them before gluing, you run the risk of having dried glue "block" any stain you apply later, or as touch-up. That will give uneven and unsatisfactory results. In this case, I am going for an old weathered look for the deck. I mixed my own "stain" to "weather" the wood. The ingredients are black India ink, isopropyl alcohol, black artist's pastel powder, and water. I haven't ever measured the proportions, I just mix until it looks good. It goes on much darker when it's wet than after it dries, so I test it on a scrap of wood first, making sure the dried coloring is what I want. I've used it to make old wood posts and model railroad flat car floors, but never as deck stain for a ship. I don't know how it will work on a boat, with lots of sanding and re-staining as the model progresses. This could get ugly... The stained strips. Gluing the edges of the deck planks to thin black construction paper (for caulking) with white glue. GrandpaPhil, Roger Pellett and BobG 3 Quote COMPLETED: Amistad Schooner, 1839, 1:96 Scale Zephyr Steam Boat, Puget Sound, Late 1800s, 1:96 Scale Chinese Junk (Fictional), 1:96 Scale Light Vessel 114, Fire Island, 1930, 1:93 Scale Bretagne, 1908 French Fishing Sloop, 1:48 Scale Barco Catalan, Late 1800s Spanish Fishing Boat, 1:48 Scale Brazzera, 1908 Italian Boat for Fishing and Cabotage, 1:48 Scale Galway Hooker, Late 1800s Irish Fishing Boat, 1:48 Scale Fifie, 1870 Scottish Fishing Boat, 1:48 Scale Misainier, 1906 French Fishing Boat, 1:48 Scale U.S. Mine Sweeping Boat MSB-6, 1952, 1:96 Scale Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thanasis Posted October 23, 2020 Share #8 Posted October 23, 2020 Hi. Unless you have already think about, I would suggest to reconsider those formers you have placed to have curved deck. Being glued only in three points, you might have unstable parts of the deck, when you cut openings, since you will cut also part of them... Just a thought. Thx mtaylor 1 Quote https://www.naftotopos.gr/index.php/el/ There are no bad or good model makers. There are only less or more experienced. In gallery Tsernikoperama - Trechandiri Brachera - Bombarda Sabatiera -Tserniki vessel rigged as Penna - NE Aegean Sea Tserniki -Tserniki of Mykonos Island -Tserniki of Mytilene Island -Trechandiri-schooner rigging Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobG Posted October 23, 2020 Share #9 Posted October 23, 2020 On 10/22/2020 at 8:03 AM, Gbmodeler said: Past experience tells me, if I'm not happy with a model or model part, I better repair it it or re-build it. After a day or two of stewing, I decided it could not be repaired to my satisfaction. So... we start anew! The new frame looks much better to me also. I like these "chubby" boats. 3 hours ago, Gbmodeler said: I always stain the planks before gluing them. Even though they will be heavily sanded later, if you don't stain them before gluing, you run the risk of having dried glue "block" any stain you apply later, or as touch-up. That will give uneven and unsatisfactory results. Great piece of advice! mtaylor 1 Quote Bob Garcia "Measure once, cuss twice!" Current Builds: Hms Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 - Vanguard Models Pen Duick - Artesania Latina 1:28 Completed: Medway Longboat 1742 - Syren Ship Model Co. Member of the Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gbmodeler Posted October 24, 2020 Author Share #10 Posted October 24, 2020 Decking installed, glue smudges and all. Sanded down... Re-stained. BobG, GrandpaPhil, mtaylor and 2 others 5 Quote COMPLETED: Amistad Schooner, 1839, 1:96 Scale Zephyr Steam Boat, Puget Sound, Late 1800s, 1:96 Scale Chinese Junk (Fictional), 1:96 Scale Light Vessel 114, Fire Island, 1930, 1:93 Scale Bretagne, 1908 French Fishing Sloop, 1:48 Scale Barco Catalan, Late 1800s Spanish Fishing Boat, 1:48 Scale Brazzera, 1908 Italian Boat for Fishing and Cabotage, 1:48 Scale Galway Hooker, Late 1800s Irish Fishing Boat, 1:48 Scale Fifie, 1870 Scottish Fishing Boat, 1:48 Scale Misainier, 1906 French Fishing Boat, 1:48 Scale U.S. Mine Sweeping Boat MSB-6, 1952, 1:96 Scale Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wefalck Posted October 25, 2020 Share #11 Posted October 25, 2020 OK, you are already quite a bit into the project, but otherwise I would have considered to write to Gilberto Penzo, who runs the Web-site www.veniceboats.com, is the historian of Venice boats and has written several books on the subject, to see, whether he can point you to resources. He is a nice guy and speaks English actually. I visited him in his shop or workshop on several occasions. I would have to check in his books, whether there is any information on the brazzera. Good luck with the project. Roger Pellett, tkay11, mtaylor and 1 other 4 Quote wefalck panta rhei - Everything is in flux Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gbmodeler Posted October 26, 2020 Author Share #12 Posted October 26, 2020 Thanks Wefalck! I found one of his books (Navi Veneziane) for future projects, and am waiting for it to arrive in the mail. Great minds think alike😃! mtaylor 1 Quote COMPLETED: Amistad Schooner, 1839, 1:96 Scale Zephyr Steam Boat, Puget Sound, Late 1800s, 1:96 Scale Chinese Junk (Fictional), 1:96 Scale Light Vessel 114, Fire Island, 1930, 1:93 Scale Bretagne, 1908 French Fishing Sloop, 1:48 Scale Barco Catalan, Late 1800s Spanish Fishing Boat, 1:48 Scale Brazzera, 1908 Italian Boat for Fishing and Cabotage, 1:48 Scale Galway Hooker, Late 1800s Irish Fishing Boat, 1:48 Scale Fifie, 1870 Scottish Fishing Boat, 1:48 Scale Misainier, 1906 French Fishing Boat, 1:48 Scale U.S. Mine Sweeping Boat MSB-6, 1952, 1:96 Scale Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gbmodeler Posted October 30, 2020 Author Share #13 Posted October 30, 2020 This one has been a tough one to plank. Mainly because of my inexperience and poor planking skills. It has driven me to study-up on the subject, and I'm almost anxious to start another project so I can apply what I've been learning... Anyway, The Brazzera has been planked, filled, sanded, primed, and sanded again - from the deck line, down. I sawed off the plywood keel, stem post, and stern post and replaced them with nicer looking basswood. The stem post is probably too large, and I'm thinking I'll sand it down after planking above the deck... First strake above the deck was a 1/32 strip, upon which to build scuppers! You can see the result here. After cutting out the holes, the first strake above the scuppers was added. BobG, tkay11, GrandpaPhil and 2 others 5 Quote COMPLETED: Amistad Schooner, 1839, 1:96 Scale Zephyr Steam Boat, Puget Sound, Late 1800s, 1:96 Scale Chinese Junk (Fictional), 1:96 Scale Light Vessel 114, Fire Island, 1930, 1:93 Scale Bretagne, 1908 French Fishing Sloop, 1:48 Scale Barco Catalan, Late 1800s Spanish Fishing Boat, 1:48 Scale Brazzera, 1908 Italian Boat for Fishing and Cabotage, 1:48 Scale Galway Hooker, Late 1800s Irish Fishing Boat, 1:48 Scale Fifie, 1870 Scottish Fishing Boat, 1:48 Scale Misainier, 1906 French Fishing Boat, 1:48 Scale U.S. Mine Sweeping Boat MSB-6, 1952, 1:96 Scale Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobG Posted October 31, 2020 Share #14 Posted October 31, 2020 It has such a beautiful hull profile. She's going to be a special, little boat. mtaylor 1 Quote Bob Garcia "Measure once, cuss twice!" Current Builds: Hms Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 - Vanguard Models Pen Duick - Artesania Latina 1:28 Completed: Medway Longboat 1742 - Syren Ship Model Co. Member of the Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gbmodeler Posted October 31, 2020 Author Share #15 Posted October 31, 2020 Thanks Bob! It is a little different profile. I think that helped attract me to trying to build it... mtaylor and BobG 2 Quote COMPLETED: Amistad Schooner, 1839, 1:96 Scale Zephyr Steam Boat, Puget Sound, Late 1800s, 1:96 Scale Chinese Junk (Fictional), 1:96 Scale Light Vessel 114, Fire Island, 1930, 1:93 Scale Bretagne, 1908 French Fishing Sloop, 1:48 Scale Barco Catalan, Late 1800s Spanish Fishing Boat, 1:48 Scale Brazzera, 1908 Italian Boat for Fishing and Cabotage, 1:48 Scale Galway Hooker, Late 1800s Irish Fishing Boat, 1:48 Scale Fifie, 1870 Scottish Fishing Boat, 1:48 Scale Misainier, 1906 French Fishing Boat, 1:48 Scale U.S. Mine Sweeping Boat MSB-6, 1952, 1:96 Scale Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gbmodeler Posted October 31, 2020 Author Share #16 Posted October 31, 2020 With the upper bulwarks planked, I started adding the false ribs, using 3/32 inch (2.4mm) basswood strips. Also added a thickened main-wale plank along the outer sides, at deck line, just below the scuppers. wefalck, mtaylor, GrandpaPhil and 2 others 5 Quote COMPLETED: Amistad Schooner, 1839, 1:96 Scale Zephyr Steam Boat, Puget Sound, Late 1800s, 1:96 Scale Chinese Junk (Fictional), 1:96 Scale Light Vessel 114, Fire Island, 1930, 1:93 Scale Bretagne, 1908 French Fishing Sloop, 1:48 Scale Barco Catalan, Late 1800s Spanish Fishing Boat, 1:48 Scale Brazzera, 1908 Italian Boat for Fishing and Cabotage, 1:48 Scale Galway Hooker, Late 1800s Irish Fishing Boat, 1:48 Scale Fifie, 1870 Scottish Fishing Boat, 1:48 Scale Misainier, 1906 French Fishing Boat, 1:48 Scale U.S. Mine Sweeping Boat MSB-6, 1952, 1:96 Scale Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thanasis Posted November 1, 2020 Share #17 Posted November 1, 2020 (edited) Nice work Though, I think it would be more accurate, if the frames at stem and stern post, had been placed (or been trimmed) facing to the central axle of the hull. Aren't you going to place a margin plate (trincarino)? Thx Edited November 1, 2020 by Thanasis mtaylor 1 Quote https://www.naftotopos.gr/index.php/el/ There are no bad or good model makers. There are only less or more experienced. In gallery Tsernikoperama - Trechandiri Brachera - Bombarda Sabatiera -Tserniki vessel rigged as Penna - NE Aegean Sea Tserniki -Tserniki of Mykonos Island -Tserniki of Mytilene Island -Trechandiri-schooner rigging Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gbmodeler Posted November 1, 2020 Author Share #18 Posted November 1, 2020 Thanks Thanasis! I do plan to add a couple of frames (ribs) at the bow, with what appears to be a horizontal brace (is that the trincarino?). I think there is a similar feature aft? I have been debating whether to attempt the curved "notches" at the bow that some boats have, before I add those features. Also, the stem and stern posts are not finished off yet, but I agree with your observation. Thanks! mtaylor 1 Quote COMPLETED: Amistad Schooner, 1839, 1:96 Scale Zephyr Steam Boat, Puget Sound, Late 1800s, 1:96 Scale Chinese Junk (Fictional), 1:96 Scale Light Vessel 114, Fire Island, 1930, 1:93 Scale Bretagne, 1908 French Fishing Sloop, 1:48 Scale Barco Catalan, Late 1800s Spanish Fishing Boat, 1:48 Scale Brazzera, 1908 Italian Boat for Fishing and Cabotage, 1:48 Scale Galway Hooker, Late 1800s Irish Fishing Boat, 1:48 Scale Fifie, 1870 Scottish Fishing Boat, 1:48 Scale Misainier, 1906 French Fishing Boat, 1:48 Scale U.S. Mine Sweeping Boat MSB-6, 1952, 1:96 Scale Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thanasis Posted November 1, 2020 Share #19 Posted November 1, 2020 (edited) Hi. There's no need to place more frames... In fact, I think that pair in left and right of the stempost are not required but you may leave them as supporters of the gunwall and inner structures. I can't see clearly, so I guess the same happens at sternpost. But I I think an image speaks better... So see the correct installation of the frames that are facing the central axis. You should think that if they were real frames, they already would have been installed vertically on the keel... Trincarino is the Italian term (Trepetee or courzeto in Gr) for a kind of margin plate with cuts, that locks the frames at the level of the deck. Depending on the method that a modeler builds a hull, is usually placed on an already finished deck and before the false frames on which they step... See the links (needs translation even it's not accurate) Thx https://www.treccani.it/vocabolario/ricerca/trincarino/ https://nautipedia.it/index.php/Trincarino Edited November 2, 2020 by Thanasis Grammar mtaylor, GrandpaPhil and tkay11 3 Quote https://www.naftotopos.gr/index.php/el/ There are no bad or good model makers. There are only less or more experienced. In gallery Tsernikoperama - Trechandiri Brachera - Bombarda Sabatiera -Tserniki vessel rigged as Penna - NE Aegean Sea Tserniki -Tserniki of Mykonos Island -Tserniki of Mytilene Island -Trechandiri-schooner rigging Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gbmodeler Posted November 2, 2020 Author Share #20 Posted November 2, 2020 (edited) Finished up the thick railings that these stout little boats displayed, and for me, I think, the hardest part of the hull is finished. It took a lot of wood bending to get the bow done, but I really like the results. I used Chuck Passaro's planking method and I love it! (https://modelshipworld.com/topic/22975-chuck-passaros-planking-videos-where-are-they/?tab=comments#comment-679771). Wish I had seen it before planking the lower part of the hull... . I see these boats had "crowns" on the top of the stempost, and am undecided what to place there. Anybody have any thoughts about what was "typical"? Hard part done. Now for the detailing fun!!! A 90 degree bend on the bow... Bow. The rails were done in strips... Stern... I added some length to the sternpost... Pear wood veneer was used for the interior rail sides... Bow shot... Stern shot. Edited November 3, 2020 by Gbmodeler BobG, GrandpaPhil, wefalck and 2 others 5 Quote COMPLETED: Amistad Schooner, 1839, 1:96 Scale Zephyr Steam Boat, Puget Sound, Late 1800s, 1:96 Scale Chinese Junk (Fictional), 1:96 Scale Light Vessel 114, Fire Island, 1930, 1:93 Scale Bretagne, 1908 French Fishing Sloop, 1:48 Scale Barco Catalan, Late 1800s Spanish Fishing Boat, 1:48 Scale Brazzera, 1908 Italian Boat for Fishing and Cabotage, 1:48 Scale Galway Hooker, Late 1800s Irish Fishing Boat, 1:48 Scale Fifie, 1870 Scottish Fishing Boat, 1:48 Scale Misainier, 1906 French Fishing Boat, 1:48 Scale U.S. Mine Sweeping Boat MSB-6, 1952, 1:96 Scale Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gbmodeler Posted November 3, 2020 Author Share #21 Posted November 3, 2020 (edited) The adding of details (the building of deck houses, winches, etc.) is one of my favorite activities. A notable feature of the Brazzera and other Adriatic boats are the "eyes." I understand they are very important, since a boat without eyes can not see where it is going. This is new to me and looked like a fun project. Since I mainly only have basswood to work with, I started there. The general outline of an eye was drawn freehand with pencil on a 1/8" (3.175mm) sheet of basswood and cut out: Next, using a hobby knife and a homemade sanding block, the general shape of the piece was reached. Edited November 3, 2020 by Gbmodeler BobG, GrandpaPhil and mtaylor 3 Quote COMPLETED: Amistad Schooner, 1839, 1:96 Scale Zephyr Steam Boat, Puget Sound, Late 1800s, 1:96 Scale Chinese Junk (Fictional), 1:96 Scale Light Vessel 114, Fire Island, 1930, 1:93 Scale Bretagne, 1908 French Fishing Sloop, 1:48 Scale Barco Catalan, Late 1800s Spanish Fishing Boat, 1:48 Scale Brazzera, 1908 Italian Boat for Fishing and Cabotage, 1:48 Scale Galway Hooker, Late 1800s Irish Fishing Boat, 1:48 Scale Fifie, 1870 Scottish Fishing Boat, 1:48 Scale Misainier, 1906 French Fishing Boat, 1:48 Scale U.S. Mine Sweeping Boat MSB-6, 1952, 1:96 Scale Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gbmodeler Posted November 3, 2020 Author Share #22 Posted November 3, 2020 (edited) Since basswood can be so delicate and crumbles easily, especially in carving situations, the rough cut-out piece was coated in very thin (viscous) CA (super) glue. This can be a very dangerous operation, especially while handling such a small piece. The superglue spreads wildly and gets on fingers easily. One has to be extremely careful! I imagine, if our models survive through the millennia, future archeologists will wonder why modelers in our age incorporated bits of skin, and in some cases whole fingers, into our model building! Perhaps by then, they can clone me back to life from one of my models, and ask me.... After impregnating the wood with CA, carving could be much more robust. I also wanted to add some 3-dimensional attributes to the eyes, so I scribed a semi-circle along the round edge to have a line from which to carve down the rest of the eye. This left an "eyeball" effect. Pupils were drilled out by hand using drill bits, and the final smoothing applied... Edited November 3, 2020 by Gbmodeler mtaylor, Rik Thistle, BobG and 2 others 5 Quote COMPLETED: Amistad Schooner, 1839, 1:96 Scale Zephyr Steam Boat, Puget Sound, Late 1800s, 1:96 Scale Chinese Junk (Fictional), 1:96 Scale Light Vessel 114, Fire Island, 1930, 1:93 Scale Bretagne, 1908 French Fishing Sloop, 1:48 Scale Barco Catalan, Late 1800s Spanish Fishing Boat, 1:48 Scale Brazzera, 1908 Italian Boat for Fishing and Cabotage, 1:48 Scale Galway Hooker, Late 1800s Irish Fishing Boat, 1:48 Scale Fifie, 1870 Scottish Fishing Boat, 1:48 Scale Misainier, 1906 French Fishing Boat, 1:48 Scale U.S. Mine Sweeping Boat MSB-6, 1952, 1:96 Scale Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wefalck Posted November 3, 2020 Share #23 Posted November 3, 2020 (edited) These eyes, that are very common around the Mediterranean also in painted form, date back to antiquity and are an apotropaic magic, meaning to ward off evil. I tend to use varnish to make kind of compound materials because of the inconvenience of using CA, but CA make indeed a much stronger material. Edited November 3, 2020 by wefalck BobG, mtaylor and Gbmodeler 3 Quote wefalck panta rhei - Everything is in flux Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobG Posted November 3, 2020 Share #24 Posted November 3, 2020 Lovely model! mtaylor and Gbmodeler 2 Quote Bob Garcia "Measure once, cuss twice!" Current Builds: Hms Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 - Vanguard Models Pen Duick - Artesania Latina 1:28 Completed: Medway Longboat 1742 - Syren Ship Model Co. Member of the Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thanasis Posted November 4, 2020 Share #25 Posted November 4, 2020 Quote I see these boats had "crowns" on the top of the stempost, and am undecided what to place there. Anybody have any thoughts about what was "typical"? Take a look there: https://www.cherini.eu/etnografia/Italia2/index2.html at no 117 and in the next page, from no 188 to 202. But I'm sure you will find interesting all the sketches... Thx mtaylor and tkay11 2 Quote https://www.naftotopos.gr/index.php/el/ There are no bad or good model makers. There are only less or more experienced. In gallery Tsernikoperama - Trechandiri Brachera - Bombarda Sabatiera -Tserniki vessel rigged as Penna - NE Aegean Sea Tserniki -Tserniki of Mykonos Island -Tserniki of Mytilene Island -Trechandiri-schooner rigging Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wefalck Posted November 4, 2020 Share #26 Posted November 4, 2020 These turban-like protrusions are also common on arab ships and boats. Not sure, whether there has been a study on their meaning, history, and respective cross-cultural influences. In some cases they are or seem to resemble also sheep fleeces. Gbmodeler and mtaylor 2 Quote wefalck panta rhei - Everything is in flux Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thanasis Posted November 4, 2020 Share #27 Posted November 4, 2020 As far I can remember there was such a discussion (lost with Msw1) about that fleece, in which the main viewpoint was that it used to be set there, to protect the sails from the long stempost (?) @Gb If you follow the "curly hair" version on the stempost, I have a very good Idea. Thx GrandpaPhil and mtaylor 2 Quote https://www.naftotopos.gr/index.php/el/ There are no bad or good model makers. There are only less or more experienced. In gallery Tsernikoperama - Trechandiri Brachera - Bombarda Sabatiera -Tserniki vessel rigged as Penna - NE Aegean Sea Tserniki -Tserniki of Mykonos Island -Tserniki of Mytilene Island -Trechandiri-schooner rigging Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wefalck Posted November 4, 2020 Share #28 Posted November 4, 2020 The curly thingy also exists on arab vessels that normally do not have a bowsprit and where the foot of the sail stays inside the stem. tkay11 and mtaylor 2 Quote wefalck panta rhei - Everything is in flux Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thanasis Posted November 4, 2020 Share #29 Posted November 4, 2020 Gb, sorry for the space abuse but just for the knowledge. http://www.veniceboats.com/trabaccolo-pelliccione.htm Thx mtaylor 1 Quote https://www.naftotopos.gr/index.php/el/ There are no bad or good model makers. There are only less or more experienced. In gallery Tsernikoperama - Trechandiri Brachera - Bombarda Sabatiera -Tserniki vessel rigged as Penna - NE Aegean Sea Tserniki -Tserniki of Mykonos Island -Tserniki of Mytilene Island -Trechandiri-schooner rigging Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gbmodeler Posted November 5, 2020 Author Share #30 Posted November 5, 2020 Thanks for all the information Wefalck and Thanasis! It is very much appreciated! Lots to study and consider. mtaylor 1 Quote COMPLETED: Amistad Schooner, 1839, 1:96 Scale Zephyr Steam Boat, Puget Sound, Late 1800s, 1:96 Scale Chinese Junk (Fictional), 1:96 Scale Light Vessel 114, Fire Island, 1930, 1:93 Scale Bretagne, 1908 French Fishing Sloop, 1:48 Scale Barco Catalan, Late 1800s Spanish Fishing Boat, 1:48 Scale Brazzera, 1908 Italian Boat for Fishing and Cabotage, 1:48 Scale Galway Hooker, Late 1800s Irish Fishing Boat, 1:48 Scale Fifie, 1870 Scottish Fishing Boat, 1:48 Scale Misainier, 1906 French Fishing Boat, 1:48 Scale U.S. Mine Sweeping Boat MSB-6, 1952, 1:96 Scale Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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