CRI-CRI Posted March 28, 2021 Author Share #91 Posted March 28, 2021 Detailed illustration of built of down beakhead frames (not glued) : mtaylor, Bill Morrison, bruce d and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hubac's Historian Posted March 28, 2021 Share #92 Posted March 28, 2021 CriCri, when you get to glueing everything together, will you also glue-in filling blocks between the bulkheads? Bill Morrison and mtaylor 2 Quote We are all works in progress, all of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRI-CRI Posted March 28, 2021 Author Share #93 Posted March 28, 2021 i shall add probably two vertical fillers (red colored) before planking (blue color) : GrandpaPhil, mtaylor, Bill Morrison and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRI-CRI Posted March 28, 2021 Author Share #94 Posted March 28, 2021 My usual evening pics : davyboy, GrandpaPhil, bolin and 7 others 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daniel.b Posted March 28, 2021 Share #95 Posted March 28, 2021 Beautiful lighting mtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hubac's Historian Posted March 28, 2021 Share #96 Posted March 28, 2021 From what I can see in these photos, it looks as though you will have some significant fairing to do between frames 2 and 4. Balsa fillers, throughout, would make the fairing process easier to gauge, as you go. It also will make a realistic plank shift more easy to achieve, as you will not be dependent on landing on bulkheads. The only other way to land a joint between bulkheads, is to back the joint with glue tabs, and even then you might end up with raised peaks at each joint. That seems very tedious to me. Just a thought. Bill Morrison and mtaylor 2 Quote We are all works in progress, all of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRI-CRI Posted March 29, 2021 Author Share #97 Posted March 29, 2021 Today work (not glued) : Bill Morrison, mtaylor, davyboy and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRI-CRI Posted March 30, 2021 Author Share #98 Posted March 30, 2021 Following work with first fore fillers : bruce d, Archi, DmitriyMarkov and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRI-CRI Posted March 30, 2021 Author Share #99 Posted March 30, 2021 First interpolation between frames 15 & 16 : I shall place a second interpolation between frames 14 & 15 bruce d, DmitriyMarkov, mtaylor and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRI-CRI Posted March 30, 2021 Author Share #100 Posted March 30, 2021 Simulation of hull's parabolic shape : mtaylor, davyboy, bruce d and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRI-CRI Posted March 31, 2021 Author Share #101 Posted March 31, 2021 I have cut the second interpoled frame between 14 & 15 (not glued) : Paryzek, Archi, Bill Morrison and 5 others 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daniel.b Posted March 31, 2021 Share #102 Posted March 31, 2021 Yes, it will make a nice curve. mtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRI-CRI Posted March 31, 2021 Author Share #103 Posted March 31, 2021 Merci Daniel, I have cut a new rear frame, the shape appears clearly now : Archi, Sea Hoss, GrandpaPhil and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRI-CRI Posted April 1, 2021 Author Share #104 Posted April 1, 2021 Yesterday evening pics : ... and today cut of second quarter-deck : bruce d, GrandpaPhil, mtaylor and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRI-CRI Posted April 1, 2021 Author Share #105 Posted April 1, 2021 Cut is finished, except the back stern, and the shape seems more "graceful" that I could hope at the beginning of my new ship-yard : mtaylor, Archi, bruce d and 5 others 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRI-CRI Posted April 2, 2021 Author Share #106 Posted April 2, 2021 (edited) Back stern structuration beginning : Edited April 2, 2021 by CRI-CRI Bill Morrison, DmitriyMarkov, davyboy and 5 others 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRI-CRI Posted April 2, 2021 Author Share #107 Posted April 2, 2021 I'm using USS Confederacy experience of false POF (admiralty model) for the Saint-Philippe : davyboy, Archi, DmitriyMarkov and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allanyed Posted April 2, 2021 Share #108 Posted April 2, 2021 Looking good Cri Cri!!! Will there be a wing transom to hold the stern timbers or do you plan to glue them to the bulkhead? I use the wing transom, but the added strength of gluing to the aft most bulkhead as well, like you are showing, seems like a very good idea. What is the moulded dimension of the frames at the bulwarks? The reason I ask is that they seem to be quite thick. I would think they would be in the range of 3 to 4 inches, where the top timbers would be if were framed versus POB. At a scale of 1:72, these look to be about 24 inches moulded so the cap rail would be extremely wide. I am looking forward to your next posts and photos. Bill Morrison, mtaylor and Hubac's Historian 3 Quote PLEASE take 30 SECONDS and sign up for the epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series. Click on http://trafalgar.tv There is no cost other than the 30 seconds of your time. THANK YOU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRI-CRI Posted April 2, 2021 Author Share #109 Posted April 2, 2021 Thanks Allan, I cut bulwarks a little more thick provisory, and adjust them by sanding after planking At scale 1/72, the high bulwarks are three mm thick, and I cut them provisory around six mm Of course, where the bulwarks are hidden, this finition can be omitted Regards, Christian allanyed, mtaylor, Bill Morrison and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allanyed Posted April 3, 2021 Share #110 Posted April 3, 2021 Hi Christian, Three mm moulded is about 8.5 inches at your scale which is about double what I am used to seeing. With this dimension plus the thickness of the planking inboard and outboard, the cap rail would be about 14 inches wide or more . Is this correct for your St. Philippe? I like the heaviness of these top timbers from a modeling stand point as they can easily break when at scale (I speak from experience and many curse words have ensued when it happens) but it may not look right. I am not saying it is wrong, but it is just something different than what I have seen for British ships, the top timbers running from about 2.5" (<1mm at 1:72) to 5" (1.76mm at 1:72) moulded dimension in the late 17th century depending on the rate. Hubac's Historian, Ondras71, Bill Morrison and 1 other 4 Quote PLEASE take 30 SECONDS and sign up for the epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series. Click on http://trafalgar.tv There is no cost other than the 30 seconds of your time. THANK YOU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRI-CRI Posted April 3, 2021 Author Share #111 Posted April 3, 2021 Hi Allan, Verifying into mono at scale 1/72 : on upper quarter-deck, which shows the thiner builkhead of ship : - Bulkhead = 3 mm - Cap rail = 6 mm These values are indicated before sanding of cap rail (in fact, after sanding, the edges of the cap-rail are slightly softened) It may probably look like a 5 mm cap-rail Then, no problem for me 😋 Regards, Christian Bill Morrison, mtaylor and allanyed 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRI-CRI Posted April 3, 2021 Author Share #112 Posted April 3, 2021 Today work on back stern with adjustment of its position : mtaylor, bruce d, GrandpaPhil and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hubac's Historian Posted April 3, 2021 Share #113 Posted April 3, 2021 Forgive me, please, but I have to back Allan on this one. I am not accustomed to metric scale. Fortunately, though, we have the technology. My copy of the monograph is 1/48 - big enough to sail away in: The timberheads before the break between the quarter and poop sheer steps measure 10/64”, imperial. So, at 1/48”, the timberheads (inside the planking) would measure a hair under 4MM. At your scale of 1/72, this dimension should be significantly smaller, still. I agree with Allan that now is the time to thin these, before finally glueing them in. Personally, I would leave them just a little heavy to allow for fairing, after they are glued-in. Bill Morrison, Archi, GrandpaPhil and 2 others 5 Quote We are all works in progress, all of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hubac's Historian Posted April 3, 2021 Share #114 Posted April 3, 2021 (edited) In contrast, here is Marc Yeu’s Soleil Royal in 1/72: photos, courtesy of Marc Yeu Edited April 3, 2021 by Hubac's Historian Archi, GrandpaPhil, bruce d and 2 others 5 Quote We are all works in progress, all of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRI-CRI Posted April 3, 2021 Author Share #115 Posted April 3, 2021 Hello boys, Mono at scale 1/48, pl, 19 (I've also this monograph and I learned reading when I was a five years old pupil 😋) : - Bulkhead = 5 mm - Cap rail = 8 mm At scale 1/72 : -- Bulkhead = (5/72)*48 = 3 mm - Cap rail = (8/72)*48 = 6 mm Regards, Christian PS = I know the SR by Neko, it's unnecessary to show me this beautiful model, I am just a poor lonesome cow-boy, not an artist... 🤢 allanyed, Bill Morrison, bruce d and 1 other 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRI-CRI Posted April 3, 2021 Author Share #116 Posted April 3, 2021 I inform you that I stop now to publish my work about Saint Philippe, I prefer take more time for modelling, and less for prepare and comment pictures, sure that you will understand my choice... ☺️ mtaylor, allanyed, Ondras71 and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allanyed Posted April 3, 2021 Share #117 Posted April 3, 2021 Very well said Christian!! Enjoy!! Bill Morrison, bruce d and mtaylor 3 Quote PLEASE take 30 SECONDS and sign up for the epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series. Click on http://trafalgar.tv There is no cost other than the 30 seconds of your time. THANK YOU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hubac's Historian Posted April 3, 2021 Share #118 Posted April 3, 2021 I am sorry, Christian, that you seem to take this commentary as a personal attack. I hope you will understand that that is far from the spirit that is intended. I only offer observations and criticism when I believe the builder is capable of doing something with that information. I followed your build, in the first place, because I believe you can pull it off, so to speak. You are making a nice job of it, so far. The objective of my commentary is solely to help you avoid creating a circumstance, early, that is difficult or impossible to remedy later. Of course, I respect your wish to work privately and wish you the best of luck! Ondras71, mtaylor and Bill Morrison 3 Quote We are all works in progress, all of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce d Posted April 3, 2021 Share #119 Posted April 3, 2021 Christian, I hope you show us your progress from time to time. Your work is so interesting, of course we want more! 👍 Best wishes, Bruce mtaylor and Bill Morrison 2 Quote 🌻 STAY SAFE A model shipwright and an amateur historian are heads & tails of the same coin current builds: HMS Berwick 1775, 1/192 scratchbuild; a Slade 74 in the Navy Board style Mediator sloop, 1/48 - an 18th century transport scratchbuild French longboat - CAF - 1/48, on hold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRI-CRI Posted June 14, 2021 Author Share #120 Posted June 14, 2021 Some pics from actual step of the Saint-Philippe : bruce d, Ian_Grant, GrandpaPhil and 8 others 10 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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