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HMS Warspite by Lt. Biggles - Academy - 1/350 - Plastic - MK1 detail up set


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So decided end the hull weathering there and once all complete can do any changes I want... which means! Started on the wooden deck!

 

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I painted over the sticky side with gel medium and then painted the deck with gel medium and stuck it down that way rather than use the adhesive that it comes with. 
Apparently it’s got a better stick and also had a tiny bit more give for sliding it into the best place.

 

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5 minutes ago, Lt. Biggles said:

It would be really inconvenient if GPS isn’t available for navigation! Back to VORs and NDBs 🤣 but probably a high chance one day it may have to happen! 
Did you fly single pilot with celestial navigation? Surly it would be a full time job itself?

I hear them (commercial aircraft)  still using way points  for thier routings  but guess these are programed into their GPS units these days.

 

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9 minutes ago, Old Collingwood said:

I hear them (commercial aircraft)  still using way points  for thier routings  but guess these are programed into their GPS units these days.

 

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Yea way points are used everywhere if you don’t have GPS can still track a way point route by using radials from a ground beacon and distance equipment. But GPS is so much easier than the other type, its really just used as a back up system. Well that’s how it is here in NZ and I’m sure we are still 30 years behind the rest of the world haha

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9 minutes ago, Old Collingwood said:

You have done an excellent job with the deck  - I actually considered doing the same as you have done  - as I read some reports in some cases of the glue under the peel off  sometimes lifting and un gluing slightly  (it happened to me in a few areas with mine).

Looking really nice mate.

 

OC.

I’m going to experiment with the next half and compare. You want a good bond as a lifting deck would just be a pain! 

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I have a portable radio scanner  - got a few of my local frequencies dialed in  - so I get familer with the local waypoints  gives me a good indication if a certain plane is going to come close to me  for my  spotting/photography.

 

On my lens mate  - the lens is a 300.. prime  its the Nikon 300 PF lens   I have a  1.4  X   convertor  attached  giving me a combined length of 420mm   quite good for planes on airways  with a bit of cropping.

 

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5 minutes ago, Lt. Biggles said:

I’m going to experiment with the next half and compare. You want a good bond as a lifting deck would just be a pain! 

Indeed mate  - mine lifted from the glue under the peel back  strip  - in a few areas,   I had to apply some force and use heat of a hairdryer to get it to stick back down, seamed to be around obstructions that was the worst.

 

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4 hours ago, Lt. Biggles said:

I’m going to experiment with the next half and compare. You want a good bond as a lifting deck would just be a pain! 

 

4 hours ago, Old Collingwood said:

Indeed mate  - mine lifted from the glue under the peel back  strip  - in a few areas,   I had to apply some force and use heat of a hairdryer to get it to stick back down, seamed to be around obstructions that was the worst.

 

OC.

There are several build reports of using peel and stick decks lifting up even before the model was finished....

 

The solution was 3M Permanent spray adhesive, a similar bond to contact cement, (will destroy the wood getting it off) without the nasty smell or melting plastic.... And from what I read, it goes down thin and right over the sometimes weak or incomplete coverage factory glue.... 

 

I would test on surfaces first though, this is one I've never done myself...

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5 hours ago, Lt. Biggles said:

I painted over the sticky side with gel medium and then painted the deck with gel medium and stuck it down that way rather than use the adhesive that it comes with. 
Apparently it’s got a better stick and also had a tiny bit more give for sliding it into the best place.

I just hope the medium dries completely, it should, but I never trusted acrylics in an enclosed covered place to cure completely....

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No, when I flew Phantoms, I only used celestial to bamboozle the front seater with star stuff. When I did my "penance" tour in the Stratotanker, I did all the calculations at my station/desk and had the boom operator actually doing the shots. We used a periscopic sextant with a bubble level to determine horizontal. It had filters a welder could use to take Sun shots. We had two pilots up front keeping us straight and level for the duration of each shot, about 2 minutes each, as I remember. Every so often, I do a shot, just to keep in practice. Nowadays, I just stargaze on clear nights.

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22 hours ago, Old Collingwood said:

I have a portable radio scanner  - got a few of my local frequencies dialed in  - so I get familer with the local waypoints  gives me a good indication if a certain plane is going to come close to me  for my  spotting/photography.

 

On my lens mate  - the lens is a 300.. prime  its the Nikon 300 PF lens   I have a  1.4  X   convertor  attached  giving me a combined length of 420mm   quite good for planes on airways  with a bit of cropping.

 

OC.

Bet that set up give crisp pics! Do you have the IFR nav planning maps so you know where each of the waypoints are?

 

17 hours ago, Egilman said:

 

There are several build reports of using peel and stick decks lifting up even before the model was finished....

 

The solution was 3M Permanent spray adhesive, a similar bond to contact cement, (will destroy the wood getting it off) without the nasty smell or melting plastic.... And from what I read, it goes down thin and right over the sometimes weak or incomplete coverage factory glue.... 

 

I would test on surfaces first though, this is one I've never done myself...

The glue on this one seems sticky but will test it. The nose part is all in one big long one so might have to split it up somewhere secretly as the dry fitting seems to show it looses alignment at each end. So far I’ve not had an issue with the medium not drying but the deck is thin and many of the plank lines are right through so heaps of little gaps. My trouble is the medium dries too fast! Have to use thin layers otherwise it all squirts out at the edges and have an annoying clean.

 

8 hours ago, Canute said:

No, when I flew Phantoms, I only used celestial to bamboozle the front seater with star stuff. When I did my "penance" tour in the Stratotanker, I did all the calculations at my station/desk and had the boom operator actually doing the shots. We used a periscopic sextant with a bubble level to determine horizontal. It had filters a welder could use to take Sun shots. We had two pilots up front keeping us straight and level for the duration of each shot, about 2 minutes each, as I remember. Every so often, I do a shot, just to keep in practice. Nowadays, I just stargaze on clear nights.

sounds like a fun story hidden behind that word “penance” haha!!

the F4 seems like a fun jet to fly!!

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After 20 years and 4K hours in a fast jet, both in combat and training and being a weapons school instructor, I had to pay the piper for all that fun. My Air Guard fighter unit was converted to KC-135s, along with 3-4 others, right after Desert Storm. The mission wasn't glamorous, but I did get back to Germany a number of times. Also went to Tuscany, Italy, Scotland and Spain overseas. Did a couple of trips to Alaska (in the summer) and one to Edwards AFB. If you're an aircraft fan, it was a great trip.

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On 3/21/2021 at 1:48 PM, Canute said:

After 20 years and 4K hours in a fast jet, both in combat and training and being a weapons school instructor, I had to pay the piper for all that fun. My Air Guard fighter unit was converted to KC-135s, along with 3-4 others, right after Desert Storm. The mission wasn't glamorous, but I did get back to Germany a number of times. Also went to Tuscany, Italy, Scotland and Spain overseas. Did a couple of trips to Alaska (in the summer) and one to Edwards AFB. If you're an aircraft fan, it was a great trip.

Favourite plane you ever flew?

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Rest of the wood deck went on.

 

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Stuck straight down with its own stickiness. 
 

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In order to get the very front long one to match up I cut it very sneakily otherwise the middle part didn’t want to stick down. So all sitting flat and in the right place. Will give it some time to see how much of it will lift.

 

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having the deck on really changes how it looks.

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12 minutes ago, Old Collingwood said:

That is Brilliant work mate  - she is looking superb,    let me take a guess where you  cut the front part of the deck  -  where the front breakwater  goes?    that would be the same place I cut mine at for the same reason.

 

OC.

I searched a way to cut as small amount as I could. And found this spot where I could cut with the plank direction. Ended up doing it here where I assume are armoured handrails.

 

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Everything doesn’t quite line up in one big sheet unfortunately.

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Very clever  mate  - tell you what if you hadn't pointed  then out  one could not tell   - what a great place to hide them, that is looking so sweet mate  -  take it easy with the PE  sections for the  bulwark side piece  infront and around the 4.5in  guns  as they are so  delicate  - they do look superb when done though.

 

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9 hours ago, Lt. Biggles said:

Favourite plane you ever flew?

Hands down the F4E. I flew C/D/RF models, too. Actually preferred the pre-slat version, since they added drag and weight in order to get one decent turn.

 

I like the way you've cut up the aftermarket deck to fit in so well. Nicely done. Will you tone it down with washes/pigments/color pencils?

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On 3/22/2021 at 4:53 PM, Old Collingwood said:

Very clever  mate  - tell you what if you hadn't pointed  then out  one could not tell   - what a great place to hide them, that is looking so sweet mate  -  take it easy with the PE  sections for the  bulwark side piece  infront and around the 4.5in  guns  as they are so  delicate  - they do look superb when done though.

 

OC.

When I get to that part I’ll take extra care mate, thanks. I’ve been abit slack lately haha!

 

On 3/23/2021 at 1:30 AM, Canute said:

Hands down the F4E. I flew C/D/RF models, too. Actually preferred the pre-slat version, since they added drag and weight in order to get one decent turn.

 

I like the way you've cut up the aftermarket deck to fit in so well. Nicely done. Will you tone it down with washes/pigments/color pencils?

I think I’ll have to tone the nice shiny new deck down. Will see if it fades on its own too. Think a very runny light grey wash airbrush misted on will work great.

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Have let the deck dry over a good few days, the parts that were glued down just using it’s own stick got quite a few lifts so is now probably 60% glued down with the gel medium. So if there is ever a next time I’ll definitely use gel medium or at least something to really stick it down as the stock glue doesn’t give a good bond even with the surface nicely prepared for it. 
 

I’ve not had much time so maybe the build will slow down alittle now, but have done some work on the anchor area.

 

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The kit seems to only want 2 chains to be on it, even though it provides 3. I’ve checked heaps of pics and can see all 3 chains on her. But the kit doesn’t have a opening for one of the chains to go below deck to storage. So might have to make one to try match the other two. Otherwise I’ll have the chain going from the anchor and then ending by just sitting on the deck which makes no sense.

 

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5 hours ago, Old Collingwood said:

Yep I agree  I think there should be Three  chain deck entrance  tubes going through the deck  - hope this pic helps to show it location  its from that draftsman builders model of her  that is considered very accurate.

 

OC.

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Yes that’s great thanks. I’m still just pondering how to attach the chain. Might drill a hole and feed it through otherwise it will not look right just glued to the outside

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I’ve been super slack at the moment. But generally doesn’t take too long of a break to get back into it. Been spending more of my time doing Astrophotography and will have to knuckle down and keep going with the ship soon... it’s a hobby after all!

 

I did add some more details to the deck, just got to get into the PE mindset and get the superstructure underway. 
 

 

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will blend them in once the rest of the deck furniture is complete too. The wood deck is glued well and I’m happy with the hull so it’s been fun.

 

here are some of my Astro shots I’ve been taking and distracting me from my build haha!

 

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I shall be back into the ship building in the next little while though 

 

 

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41 minutes ago, Lt. Biggles said:

I’ve been super slack at the moment. But generally doesn’t take too long of a break to get back into it. Been spending more of my time doing Astrophotography and will have to knuckle down and keep going with the ship soon... it’s a hobby after all!

 

I did add some more details to the deck, just got to get into the PE mindset and get the superstructure underway. 
 

 

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will blend them in once the rest of the deck furniture is complete too. The wood deck is glued well and I’m happy with the hull so it’s been fun.

 

here are some of my Astro shots I’ve been taking and distracting me from my build haha!

 

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I shall be back into the ship building in the next little while though 

 

 

Fantastic astro shots mate  - and Warspite is coming along nicely also, one astro photographer once told me - once you get hooked into it in a big way  - you will have no money left, he showed me his rig  Big  Telescopes on mounts connected to laptops   all outside in speacial made  hides.

 

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